Ivan Yates returning to Newstalk Breakfast

theGEM · 01-09-2013 10:08PM

Birroc wrote: »

His surname is fcuking Yates !!!!

I think you're getting confused with Jack B Yates.

positron · 01-09-2013 10:09PM

Ivan and Clare was a great combination. Chris has improved a lot over the years though, especially after taking lead when Ivan left. George on the other hand...

Yamanoto · 01-09-2013 10:09PM

Yates adenoidal drone always irked me tbh.

Plus, he's the spit of the zombie in 'Day of the Dead'.

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chuckyarelaw · 01-09-2013 10:10PM

If they could just get rid of Ciaran "monotone" Cuddihy from sports I'd be happy.

Such a forced radio voice.

shankespony · 01-09-2013 10:20PM

Is this the same bank that lent recklessly for many years? That was bailed out by the Irish people and still they hound ordinary people. With 150,000+ mortgages impaired restructured and most in negative equity as well as 400,000+ unemployed that must add up to 600,000+ people (parents & 2 kids) who are going to have no life for many years to come. How many people will now take this option to go to the UK, and come back in a year rather than have paddy screw them for many years to come.

In Iceland they valued houses and restructured mortgages accordingly so your mortgage was at a higher rate say 110/120% and a slight amount of negative equity as a penalty for your decisions but as time goes on there is a good chance that the house would gain value over the years to meet the rate. Not screw people for years to come.

strongback · 01-09-2013 10:29PM

Yates is full of crap, he trades on the fact he has insider knowledge of what goes on in the Dail. In general he's clueless. Hopefully the bankruptcy has humbled him but I wouldn't bet on it.

He's a very lucky man to be walking back into a good job.

oppenheimer1 · 01-09-2013 10:35PM

strongback wrote: »

Yates is full of crap, he trades on the fact he has insider knowledge of what goes on in the Dail. In general he's clueless. Hopefully the bankruptcy has humbled him but I wouldn't bet on it.

He's a very lucky man to be walking back into a good job.

Indeed, walking back to a good well paid job. All the while his unsecured creditors have to suffer their losses with no entitlement to recompense.

Sickening that he ran away to escape his creditors.

Judgement Day · 01-09-2013 11:52PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Indeed, walking back to a good well paid job. All the while his unsecured creditors have to suffer their losses with no entitlement to recompense.

Sickening that he ran away to escape his creditors.

Well he's in good company with Hook who left a trail of creditors behind him. It must be a sickener for them to hear him on the radio going about his frequent foreign holidays. Still and all it's a great station owned by a fellow who made his money from honest hard graft.................:D

Judgement Day · 02-09-2013 12:03AM

theGEM wrote: »

I think you're getting confused with Jack B Yates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Butler_Yeats

theGEM · 02-09-2013 12:14AM

Judgement Day wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Butler_Yates

I prefer William Butler Yates myself.

efb · 02-09-2013 12:16AM

What about Paula Yates?

strongback · 02-09-2013 12:18AM

People for centuries have gone bankrupt when they have run out of money. I don't know why people get annoyed about bankruptcy. If you owe more money that you can repay bankruptcy is inevitable.

Most people who open businesses fail at some time including the most successful. Not everybody can start out in life getting a cushy job working for the state. Without risk taking entrepreneurs there would be no economy and no taxes to run the country.

I'm more annoyed with the banks, lets face reality it won't be long before they are running the country again.

Still, Yates is lucky to have a career in broadcasting after such a fall from grace. He has Norah Casey to thank for leaving him an opening.

oppenheimer1 · 02-09-2013 12:38AM

strongback wrote: »

People for centuries have gone bankrupt when they have run out of money. I don't know why people get annoyed about bankruptcy. If you owe more money that you can repay bankruptcy is inevitable.

Most people who open businesses fail at some time including the most successful. Not everybody can start out in life getting a cushy job working for the state. Without risk taking entrepreneurs there would be no economy and no taxes to run the country.

I'm more annoyed with the banks, lets face reality it won't be long before they are running the country again.

Still, Yates is lucky to have a career in broadcasting after such a fall from grace. He has Norah Casey to thank for leaving him an opening.

I don't think people get annoyed with bankruptcy per-se, with the idea that if your debts are too much of a burden, then you should be relieved of them once your assets have been stripped. What people and creditors find galling is that one can essentially move temporarily to the UK to escape your creditors and be back earning a huge salary within two years and have no obligation to pay back the money you owed.

I don't know what the likes of Yates will earn at Newstalk, but its safe to assume its a decent wage. Its can be assumed that if he were to remain on a living wage and give the rest over to his creditors over the next 10 years (as it would be under Irish bankruptcy law) that it would make a dent at least on the difference between what was realised from the liquidation and the original amount sought by his creditors.

armchair fusilier · 02-09-2013 01:27AM

positron wrote: »

Ivan and Clare was a great combination. Chris has improved a lot over the years though, especially after taking lead when Ivan left. George on the other hand...

Claire Byrne was awful. Listener numbers only started to rise after she left. What has happened to her career since she joined RTE is a real mystery - her talent don't merit all the breaks she is getting.

strongback · 02-09-2013 01:37AM

armchair fusilier wrote: »

Claire Byrne was awful. Listener numbers only started to rise after she left. What has happened to her career since she joined RTE is a real mystery - her talent don't merit all the breaks she is getting.

She's not hard on the eye. To be fair to her she's no dope. She just seems devoid of any empathy. There's a few at RTE like that, one of them just jumped ship.

armchair fusilier · 02-09-2013 01:44AM

strongback wrote: »

She's not hard on the eye. To be fair to her she's no dope. She just seems devoid of any empathy. There's a few at RTE like that, one of them just jumped ship.

I found her to be fairly unlikeable when she was on Newstalk. The one good thing about Yates coming back is that I can avoid Morning Ireland when Byrne is on.

strongback · 02-09-2013 01:55AM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I don't think people get annoyed with bankruptcy per-se, with the idea that if your debts are too much of a burden, then you should be relieved of them once your assets have been stripped. What people and creditors find galling is that one can essentially move temporarily to the UK to escape your creditors and be back earning a huge salary within two years and have no obligation to pay back the money you owed.

I don't know what the likes of Yates will earn at Newstalk, but its safe to assume its a decent wage. Its can be assumed that if he were to remain on a living wage and give the rest over to his creditors over the next 10 years (as it would be under Irish bankruptcy law) that it would make a dent at least on the difference between what was realised from the liquidation and the original amount sought by his creditors.

I hear what you are saying. The way I see it most people going bankrupt have their assets tied up in their businesses. When the business goes so do the assets. The big problem is that people and banks got into over borrowing meaning debts mushroomed assets. Yates' business probably held very few real assets as I doubt he owned all the physical betting shops. The rest of the assets are only based on what turnover can be achieved. When turnover didn't match costs then Yates was gone. What was left of his business probably didn't have a lot of value.I don't know if Yates lost his primary residence but I assume he has lost everything else. If he has any money buried away then obviously that's out of order.

As I said he's a lucky man to have a good job to come back to. He would have had a hard time starting from scratch again although most good entrepreneurs seems to find a way to rise again.

oppenheimer1 · 02-09-2013 03:13AM

strongback wrote: »

I hear what you are saying. The way I see it most people going bankrupt have their assets tied up in their businesses. When the business goes so do the assets. The big problem is that people and banks got into over borrowing meaning debts mushroomed assets. Yates' business probably held very few real assets as I doubt he owned all the physical betting shops. The rest of the assets are only based on what turnover can be achieved. When turnover didn't match costs then Yates was gone. What was left of his business probably didn't have a lot of value.I don't know if Yates lost his primary residence but I assume he has lost everything else. If he has any money buried away then obviously that's out of order.

As I said he's a lucky man to have a good job to come back to. He would have had a hard time starting from scratch again although most good entrepreneurs seems to find a way to rise again.

Would he have a ministerial pension as well?

kneemos · 02-09-2013 06:53AM

armchair fusilier wrote: »

Claire Byrne was awful. Listener numbers only started to rise after she left. What has happened to her career since she joined RTE is a real mystery - her talent don't merit all the breaks she is getting.

Very few in RTE merit the breaks they get.

efb · 02-09-2013 07:58AM

He's Pat's first guest today ah! Can anyone say 'Soft Interview'?

chuckyarelaw · 02-09-2013 08:38AM

strongback wrote: »

She's not hard on the eye.

This is radio, right?

chuckyarelaw · 02-09-2013 08:40AM

efb wrote: »

He's Pat's first guest today ah! Can anyone say 'Soft Interview'?

I think you are expecting Yates to play the role of pussy cat while Kenny strokes his head and Yates purrs about how great it is to be back.

I expect Kenny to ask tough questions, and to give Yates chance to respond.

This is great for both Kenny and Yates as Kenny will get to flex his muscle in an interview that HAS to be done, while Yates gets to tell his story to a colleague and that will be that.

strongback · 02-09-2013 08:47AM

chuckyarelaw wrote: »

This is radio, right?

The discussion broadened to the breaks Byrne has gotten on RTE which includes TV.

ButtersSuki · 02-09-2013 08:49AM

Yes, he still has his ministerial pension (circa €50k per annum) in addition to what Newstalk are paying him so he's doing quite nicely for a few few hours work per week. Not Joe Duffy money mind, but then again Joe the ordinary working man that he is is on more than Barack Obama!

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-09-2013 09:04AM

Excellent news:)

Qualitymark · 02-09-2013 09:19AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Yes, he still has his ministerial pension (circa €50k per annum) in addition to what Newstalk are paying him so he's doing quite nicely for a few few hours work per week. Not Joe Duffy money mind, but then again Joe the ordinary working man that he is is on more than Barack Obama!

This "a few hours' work per week" trope is mistaken. A journalist presenting a news programme or a newsy feature programme doesn't just walk into the studio and open the mic - there are hours of work with researchers and editors beforehand, setting up interviews, trawling for knowledgeable people to talk about issues, finding new sources when the first ones aren't available, following up breaking stories, etc. For instance, the staff for a 10am programme will be working from 5am; for a headline presenter, this means s/he's there too, reading research material, talking about the shape and length of each interview, the lead-in and out, the questions to be covered, etc. It sounds like an easy job, but it's not; it seems like short hours but it's not, and it's skilled work - if you think "Oh, anyone could do that", just listen to the people who make a hames of it!

strongback · 02-09-2013 09:31AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Yes, he still has his ministerial pension (circa €50k per annum) in addition to what Newstalk are paying him so he's doing quite nicely for a few few hours work per week. Not Joe Duffy money mind, but then again Joe the ordinary working man that he is is on more than Barack Obama!

If he's getting a ministerial pension that's morally wrong but hey we have a government that don't have the balls to renegotiate a contract so........

ButtersSuki · 02-09-2013 09:47AM

Qualitymark wrote: »

This "a few hours' work per week" trope is mistaken. A journalist presenting a news programme or a newsy feature programme doesn't just walk into the studio and open the mic - there are hours of work with researchers and editors beforehand, setting up interviews, trawling for knowledgeable people to talk about issues, finding new sources when the first ones aren't available, following up breaking stories, etc. For instance, the staff for a 10am programme will be working from 5am; for a headline presenter, this means s/he's there too, reading research material, talking about the shape and length of each interview, the lead-in and out, the questions to be covered, etc. It sounds like an easy job, but it's not; it seems like short hours but it's not, and it's skilled work - if you think "Oh, anyone could do that", just listen to the people who make a hames of it!

Yes, I know,I was being facetious in my remark, and I assumed my reference to the most listened to "journalist" in Ireland Joe Duffy would have made that a little more obvious.......but apparently not......:rolleyes:

positron · 02-09-2013 12:00PM

armchair fusilier wrote: »

Claire Byrne was awful. Listener numbers only started to rise after she left. What has happened to her career since she joined RTE is a real mystery - her talent don't merit all the breaks she is getting.

Really? Hmm. I was new to Breakfast back then and were fairly impressed by how Ivan and Claire were talking to some politicians, point-blank, take no prisoners line of interviewing.

Anyway, I think she's doing pretty good in RTE, I think she will be around for a good while in our screens.

Hoop66 · 02-09-2013 12:11PM

Yates is a bell-end. He literally hasn't a clue.

And they've replaced the excellent Tom Dunne with the personality vacuum that is Pat Kenny?

Sell your Communicorp shares now...

Ivan Yates returning to Newstalk Breakfast

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