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How Are Obama Worshippers Holding Out?

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  • #32
    uncle_sam_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Part of the problem is that he's effectively hindered by the Republicans holding a balance of power in the House of Representatives.

    I never saw him as a great President, Hilary Clinton would have been the better choice IMO.

    He owned both the House and Senate in the first part of his presidency at still got nothing done. Now he can use "hindering Republicans" as an excuse.


  • #33
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    blatantrereg wrote: »
    Or people could have considered voting for one of the several candidates not actually affiliated with the hugely corrupt major parties. Surely that would have been more of a change than just flip flopping between puppets. Jill Stein seemed like a good candidate to me.

    Seriously messed up situation when it's perceived as damaging for a third candidate to run, and a waste of a vote to vote for them. (Thinking of Ralph Nader's three campaigns; especially the one alongside Kerry.)

    Well yeah it should happen, more than 3 imo but it's just not going to happen in the foreseeable future.


  • #34
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I was an Obama worshipper. The NSA scandal has knocked the final nail into the coffin of any ounce of respect I ever had for him.


  • #35
    blatantrereg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭blatantrereg


    It's more fitting. The world police branding was only going to work for so long with the pseudo-Patton figurehead.

    Quite a number of comparisons have been made over the last few years between the USA now and the USSR, for various reasons.

    https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=cr&ei=tOkgUoibD8OThQfFkYDwCw#q=usa+is+becoming+new+ussr


  • #36
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Still better than George Bush.


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  • #37
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Here's how it works....

    Supporters of him will point out his successes (and things that just happen to be better) and blame a failures/lack of additional successes on unreasonable people in the opposite party preventing him from doing as much greatness as he could have otherwise.

    People who didn't like him will point out his failures (and things that just happen to be worse) and take credit for the successes that do acknowledge. 'Oh sure - X improved, but that was thanks to Y and Z *NOT* OBAMA!'

    And everyone continues on, convinced they are right, and that everyone else is stupid. USA! USA!


  • #38
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Oh come on, you can admit it now... Obama’s turned out to be Bush on steroids. ;)


  • #39
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I was an Obama worshipper. The NSA scandal has knocked the final nail into the coffin of any ounce of respect I ever had for him.

    Similar story for me. I was 17 or so when he was making these grandiose speeches at the DNC and the primaries and I bought it. I feel somewhat embarrassed at how naive I was now.


  • #40
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Still better than George Bush.


    Or John "bomb Iran" McCain, or Romney.


  • #41
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Nodin wrote: »
    Or John "bomb Iran" McCain, or Romney.

    You forgot one very important word:

    Palin.


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  • #42
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Gary Johnson and the Libertians ftw :)


  • #43
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Imagine McCain and that dumb one in charge now they'd be nuking Iceland.


  • #44
    keno-daytrader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    You forgot one very important word:

    Palin.

    Cold shiver up the back..... Must go to mass on sunday and say a little thankyou that USA USA USA didnt actually elect her.

    ☀️ 8.2kWp ⚡4kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



  • #45
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Obama is worse than Bush, Obama has taken the use of drones to levels never seen under Bush.
    Bush never carried out summary executions of American citizens as Obama has done in Yemen. Doesn't Obama complain about leaders killing their own citizens.

    At least Bush was honest, Obama likes to give off this image which is fake. Obama is a terrorist. His drones hover in the skies above certain regions of the world 24/7 and the people below can hear them with men, women and children terrified not knowing when the drone will strike, happen to be near the wrong person and your life could be ended.

    I just can't listen to the US government without hearing the hypocrisy.
    Today it was John Kerry saying the US cares about humanity...


  • #46
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,594 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Goes to show, people can still be suckered in by charisma rather than substance. Be warned.


  • #47
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Excusing Obama's record as President by comparing what an administration under McCain/Palin would have been like is a poor one and avoiding reality. I genuinely feel at this stage that with the US, Democrat or Republican, there isn't much of a difference when they are in power. Except maybe the Democrat's appear a little less abrasive and right-wing but either in power do pretty much the same thing.


  • #48
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    I dont have much time for the lad since the FISA wiretapping thing. That proved that he is well and truly 'one of them' and no revolutionary


  • #49
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Goes to show, people can still be suckered in by charisma rather than substance. Be warned.

    In fairness, it was what he said as much as the way he said it. He said lots of things that people wanted to hear, stuff that McCain wasn't saying.


  • #50
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    In fairness, it was what he said as much as the way he said it. He said lots of things that people wanted to hear, stuff that McCain wasn't saying.

    Every word that comes out of that mans mouth is carefully hand crafted by an army of his minions.

    Obama is probably a decent lad if you have a pint with him in Moneygal but thats not the same obama thats making speeches and signing laws that limit your freedom


  • #51
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Days 298


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    In fairness, it was what he said as much as the way he said it. He said lots of things that people wanted to hear, stuff that McCain wasn't saying.

    He closed gitmo yet?


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  • #52
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    In fairness, it was what he said as much as the way he said it. He said lots of things that people wanted to hear, stuff that McCain wasn't saying.

    I don't really have that much sympathy on for excusing peoples amazingly high hopes for him because he said what people wanted to hear. Simply because it was really obvious that he was doing that even at the very start, his stance on Israel with his changing positions depending on which groups he was talking to was an early indicator.

    Mind you even myself with my cynically low hopes never expected to him to be quiet this bad :(


  • #53
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Days 298 wrote: »
    He closed gitmo yet?

    I'm not supporting him. Just pointing out that there were actually reasons beyond his oratory and general charisma that people voted for him.

    I was in the US in and around the 2008 elections. There was far more talk about his superior policies than his superior grandstanding.


  • #54
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    You forgot one very important word:

    Palin.



    ....I think she was always too scary for the nessecary swing voters.


  • #55
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    After careful consideration of your question OP, I'd have to say, I really don't care.

    Can we talk about Pierre Nkurunziza next? He's another president of somewhere else that I don't live and didnt vote for or against...

    :rolleyes:


  • #56
    Hobbes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    LivelineDipso wrote: »
    Remember the hysterical collective lunacy of 2008 when so many people were in convulsions of messianic zeal over Omaba's election

    For me it was more who the opposition was. TBH I reckon the US dodged a bullet, or took one to the shoulder instead of the gut.


  • #57
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Hobbes wrote: »
    For me it was more who the opposition was. TBH I reckon the US dodged a bullet, or took one to the shoulder instead of the gut.

    That does appear to be the grass roots of democracy: be crap and corrupt, just slightly less crap and corrupt that the opposition.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #58
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭nc6000


    He was doing fine until he swatted the fly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbUH_iVjYw


  • #59
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    He is better than the alternative although he is not as nearly progressive as he made himself out to be in order to get elected. He has made a great cult of personality for himself though.


  • #60
    theGEM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭theGEM


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Part of the problem is that he's effectively hindered by the Republicans holding a balance of power in the House of Representatives.

    I never saw him as a great President, Hilary Clinton would have been the better choice IMO.

    WTF Obama had a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for the 1st part of his presidency. The people didn't like his polices (particularly obamacare) and chucked them out. BTW the republicans controlled congress (House & Senate) during the Clinton years.

    Obama winning the Peace Prize degraded the whole award for me. He is such a fcuking hypocrite.


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  • #61
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Rand Paul 2016 people


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