How Are Obama Worshippers Holding Out?

LivelineDipso

Remember the hysterical collective lunacy of 2008 when so many people were in convulsions of messianic zeal over Omaba's election. He was going to save everything - a new age dawned... People like me who were skeptical (I'm an Anarchist and he's still a politician for Christ sake...) were 'negative'.

Well my Liberal Progressive Friends, your character is going to be tested in the weeks ahead. There will be a point where your excuse-making will drift over into the land of mindless fanaticism if you are not careful.

Tar.Aldarion

Actually most people don't think much of him now. It's almost as if they gained information and..thought differently then, imagine. Just because he is not as great as people hoped, does not mean he wasn't a better choice than the other fool.

Frank Lee Midere

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Actually most people don't think much of him now. It's almost as if they gained information and..thought differently then, imagine. Just because he is not as great as people hoped, does not mean he wasn't a better choice than the other fool.

I'd say he was worse. He's a total disaster. Down with him.

karma_

He's no better than Bush. Democrat/Republican they are both the same and this is repeated teh world over. The political class is a cancer on the world, we are ruled by millionaire sociopaths only interested in their own greed.

If voting could actually change anything, they'd ban it.

Tom M

What were people expecting exactly?

NuckingFacker

He turned out to be much the same as the last barrax. Possibly even worse. Happily, I have never worshipped him. I've never even liked him tbh. He's just that bit too smooth.

Duckworth_Luas

Change?

Anybody got any spare change?

Karl Stein

Little more than a re-branding exercise imo.

Same **** in a different wrapper.

My name is URL

Tom M wrote: »

What were people expecting exactly?

Funk

donvito99

Still better than McCain's Oven Fried and Wrongney.


Sometimes I surprise even myself.

LivelineDipso

Tom M wrote: »

What were people expecting exactly?

Read the editorials in every Irish newspaper and magazine when he was elected for starters. The one in Hot Press is particulary comical. 'The Rock and Roll President'. Irish Art Galleries could not sell his portrait to Civil Servants fast enough.

Well he likes The Rolling Drones.

The Backwards Man

Quick, someone quote the OP.

I can't see it on the dark skin.

Rightwing

He has been a disappointment, but still miles better than Bush. Of course, that wouldn't be hard.

Should also be worth remembering, there's only so much any one individual can do, be it Enda Kenny/Obama etc.

kneemos

He has a level of "coolness"about him,which is fairly unique.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Remember the hysterical collective lunacy of 2008 when so many people were in convulsions of messianic zeal over Omaba's election. He was going to save everything - a new age dawned... People like me who were skeptical (I'm an Anarchist and he's still a politician for Christ sake...) were 'negative'.

Well my Liberal Progressive Friends, your character is going to be tested in the weeks ahead. There will be a point where your excuse-making will drift over into the land of mindless fanaticism if you are not careful.

Still a better decision than Bertie Ahearne.

lahalane

I know nothing about politics, nor do I wish to know, but is this thread just an excuse to say 'I told you so'? It sounds a bit smug.

blatantrereg

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Actually most people don't think much of him now. It's almost as if they gained information and..thought differently then, imagine. Just because he is not as great as people hoped, does not mean he wasn't a better choice than the other fool.

Or people could have considered voting for one of the several candidates not actually affiliated with the hugely corrupt major parties. Surely that would have been more of a change than just flip flopping between puppets. Jill Stein seemed like a good candidate to me.

Seriously messed up situation when it's perceived as damaging for a third candidate to run, and a waste of a vote to vote for them. (Thinking of Ralph Nader's three campaigns; especially the one alongside Kerry.)

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

He has a level of "coolness"about him,which is fairly unique.

Coolness or deceitfulness?

blatantrereg

He got a Nobel Peace Prize for some reason, then kept Guantanamo open and stepped up domestic surveillance and drone strikes and so on. Mental isn't it?

Agent Smith

Tom M wrote: »

What were people expecting exactly?

My name is URL wrote: »

Funk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLzECY8sYpE

MadsL

Obamacare is an improvement.

F.ck your pre-existing conditions.

NuckingFacker

He always reminds me of a more powerful version of ray Darcy. I don't like him either.

DainBramage

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Read the editorials in every Irish newspaper and magazine when he was elected for starters. The one in Hot Press is particulary comical. 'The Rock and Roll President'. Irish Art Galleries could not sell his portrait to Civil Servants fast enough.

Well he likes The Rolling Drones.

You can always tell if somethings no longer cool/past its sell by date when Hot Press are plugging it.

Royal.Baby

The truth is that people like Obama and Kenny can do very little if anything.

What can Enda do to aid in the countries economy, really? He just has to wait it out like the rest of the world.

These people often have to best economists in the country by their side helping them and giving advice, yet still nothing happens, yet every single poster on boards knows exactly how to fix this economic crisis - if only Enda would listen lol

My name is URL

Agent Smith wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLzECY8sYpE

He's one smooth sonuvabitch.. you've got to give him that

blatantrereg

Royal.Baby wrote: »

The truth is that people like Obama and Kenny can do very little if anything.

What can Enda do to aid in the countries economy, really? He just has to wait it out like the rest of the world.

These people often have to best economists in the country by their side helping them and giving advice, yet still nothing happens, yet every single poster on boards knows exactly how to fix this economic crisis - if only Enda would listen lol

I don't think the comparison is valid really. Kenny isn't okaying huge military expenditure and starting wars and so on.

MadsL

My name is URL wrote: »

He's one smooth sonuvabitch.. you've got to give him that

Please continue Mr Romney....

Frank Lee Midere

Rightwing wrote: »

He has been a disappointment, but still miles better than Bush. Of course, that wouldn't be hard.

Should also be worth remembering, there's only so much any one individual can do, be it Enda Kenny/Obama etc.

No he's worse than bush. His security state is worse. His foreign adventurism as bad. He supports drones.

Jimoslimos

Part of the problem is that he's effectively hindered by the Republicans holding a balance of power in the House of Representatives.

I never saw him as a great President, Hilary Clinton would have been the better choice IMO.

Red Nissan

Jimoslimos wrote: »

I never saw him as a great President, Hilary Clinton would have been the better choice IMO.

I would not have thought so, TBH, but I never did like Obama and especially as he polished off the fictional character Osama as some people around the world genuinely believed that Osama, a terrorist created by the Bush regime, had been elected president of the United States of America, and it was embarrassing and confusing tbh.

So in hindsight, I actually agree with you [now].

cletus van damme

why I dislike obama is that he presented himself as this hip caring cool anti-bush chap.
He is worse than bush.

To give bush his due - he was honest on what he was. We all knew what we were getting with bush - he was honest that way.

btw mcCain would have made a better President

uncle_sam_ie

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Part of the problem is that he's effectively hindered by the Republicans holding a balance of power in the House of Representatives.

I never saw him as a great President, Hilary Clinton would have been the better choice IMO.

He owned both the House and Senate in the first part of his presidency at still got nothing done. Now he can use "hindering Republicans" as an excuse.

Tar.Aldarion

blatantrereg wrote: »

Or people could have considered voting for one of the several candidates not actually affiliated with the hugely corrupt major parties. Surely that would have been more of a change than just flip flopping between puppets. Jill Stein seemed like a good candidate to me.

Seriously messed up situation when it's perceived as damaging for a third candidate to run, and a waste of a vote to vote for them. (Thinking of Ralph Nader's three campaigns; especially the one alongside Kerry.)

Well yeah it should happen, more than 3 imo but it's just not going to happen in the foreseeable future.

hatrickpatrick

I was an Obama worshipper. The NSA scandal has knocked the final nail into the coffin of any ounce of respect I ever had for him.

blatantrereg

It's more fitting. The world police branding was only going to work for so long with the pseudo-Patton figurehead.

Quite a number of comparisons have been made over the last few years between the USA now and the USSR, for various reasons.

https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=cr&ei=tOkgUoibD8OThQfFkYDwCw#q=usa+is+becoming+new+ussr

The_Valeyard

Still better than George Bush.

UCDVet

Here's how it works....

Supporters of him will point out his successes (and things that just happen to be better) and blame a failures/lack of additional successes on unreasonable people in the opposite party preventing him from doing as much greatness as he could have otherwise.

People who didn't like him will point out his failures (and things that just happen to be worse) and take credit for the successes that do acknowledge. 'Oh sure - X improved, but that was thanks to Y and Z *NOT* OBAMA!'

And everyone continues on, convinced they are right, and that everyone else is stupid. USA! USA!

Amerika

Oh come on, you can admit it now... Obama’s turned out to be Bush on steroids.

Amirani

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I was an Obama worshipper. The NSA scandal has knocked the final nail into the coffin of any ounce of respect I ever had for him.

Similar story for me. I was 17 or so when he was making these grandiose speeches at the DNC and the primaries and I bought it. I feel somewhat embarrassed at how naive I was now.

Nodin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Still better than George Bush.

Or John "bomb Iran" McCain, or Romney.

The_Valeyard

Nodin wrote: »

Or John "bomb Iran" McCain, or Romney.

You forgot one very important word:

Palin.

mikemac1

Gary Johnson and the Libertians ftw

20Cent

Imagine McCain and that dumb one in charge now they'd be nuking Iceland.

keno-daytrader

The_Valeyard wrote: »

You forgot one very important word:

Palin.

Cold shiver up the back..... Must go to mass on sunday and say a little thankyou that USA USA USA didnt actually elect her.

RobertKK

Obama is worse than Bush, Obama has taken the use of drones to levels never seen under Bush.
Bush never carried out summary executions of American citizens as Obama has done in Yemen. Doesn't Obama complain about leaders killing their own citizens.

At least Bush was honest, Obama likes to give off this image which is fake. Obama is a terrorist. His drones hover in the skies above certain regions of the world 24/7 and the people below can hear them with men, women and children terrified not knowing when the drone will strike, happen to be near the wrong person and your life could be ended.

I just can't listen to the US government without hearing the hypocrisy.
Today it was John Kerry saying the US cares about humanity...

dsmythy

Goes to show, people can still be suckered in by charisma rather than substance. Be warned.

Augmerson

Excusing Obama's record as President by comparing what an administration under McCain/Palin would have been like is a poor one and avoiding reality. I genuinely feel at this stage that with the US, Democrat or Republican, there isn't much of a difference when they are in power. Except maybe the Democrat's appear a little less abrasive and right-wing but either in power do pretty much the same thing.

Sh1tbag OToole

I dont have much time for the lad since the FISA wiretapping thing. That proved that he is well and truly 'one of them' and no revolutionary

Amirani

dsmythy wrote: »

Goes to show, people can still be suckered in by charisma rather than substance. Be warned.

In fairness, it was what he said as much as the way he said it. He said lots of things that people wanted to hear, stuff that McCain wasn't saying.

Sh1tbag OToole

NiallSparky wrote: »

In fairness, it was what he said as much as the way he said it. He said lots of things that people wanted to hear, stuff that McCain wasn't saying.

Every word that comes out of that mans mouth is carefully hand crafted by an army of his minions.

Obama is probably a decent lad if you have a pint with him in Moneygal but thats not the same obama thats making speeches and signing laws that limit your freedom

Days 298

NiallSparky wrote: »

In fairness, it was what he said as much as the way he said it. He said lots of things that people wanted to hear, stuff that McCain wasn't saying.

He closed gitmo yet?