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Legalization of drugs how would it work ?

  • 26-08-2013 01:07AM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭


    For those people who advocate the Legalization of all drugs can you explain how it would work. Would it mean that you could buy heroin in every off licence ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Off licence? extra clubcard points in Tesco.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,407 ✭✭✭lkionm


    It would be a great solution to the jobs initiative.

    Now every drug lushing scumbag is a sole trader.


    Good on you rashers, a true symbol of hope.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    I'm not sure, but it makes sense to decriminalise them. I just watched a documentary tonight calle How To Make Money Selling Drugs and there was an upsetting story about a woman who got 25 years prison because she happened to be in a house where a large amount of drugs were being stored. She was not aware of this.

    But because of the "wisdom" of mandatory sentencing, she got sentenced to 25 years. Her teenage daughter was interviewed and was bawling her eyes out.

    So sad.

    I think Portugal's decriminalisation seems to be working. The number of addicts is decreasing. More money has been pumped in to education and treatment rather than being wasted on incarceration.

    It absolutely maddens me to hear of weeks of surveillance having been carried out by the Gardaí prior to the arrest of people for operating grow houses here in Ireland. That's time and money that could be used more beneficially in other crime prevention/detection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Ted, you're not going to believe it! Clint Eastwood's been arrested for a crime he didn't - oh, wait, it's a film.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Pharmacies seem the obvious solution, used needles can also be returned and placed in sharps boxes by the user themselves.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    You just have to look at happened with the Head Shops recently to see what happens when drugs are legalised,queues down the street every weekend night.
    Legal means acceptable which they aren't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Buy one get one free?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,828 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    No, there would be dispensaries set up, like off-licences for drugs. They're then taxed etc like alcohol.

    In reality, all drugs will never be legalised. Maybe marijuana, but certainly not soon, we always follow after everyone else like the lost dog in the park.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭kjl


    I think they should have centers that distribute heroin like they do methadone. One shot a day to anyone that wants it and it must be consumed on the premise under tight scrutiny. Any serious addict would not have problem behaving themselves if they are threatened with losing their daily fix.

    Crime rate would drop almost instantly and all it would cost us is the price of the centers and heroin which if legal would be very very cheap to provide.

    Ecstasy, LSD and Mushrooms, I feel could be distributed in clubs or head shops, however proper use should be given and perhaps you might have to hear a lecture like you do with codeine based products.

    Cocaine, Meth, etc, I would perfect to keep illegal, but failing that make them a controlled substance. In order to get some you would need to visit a GP who will give you a physical as well as educated you on the dangers of the drugs and the prescribe you some based on body weight

    Perhaps in this drug eutopia we could educate our children that all drugs including alcohol have negative outcomes and don't just indoctrinate them into a society that says one drug is ok, perfectly normal and a way of life and the other is so bad you will die the first time you take it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭theGEM


    Jumboman wrote: »
    For those people who advocate the Legalization of all drugs can you explain how it would work. Would it mean that you could buy heroin in every off licence ?

    In the pharmacy, like before when it was legal:

    http://io9.com/how-todays-illegal-drugs-were-marketed-as-medicines-510258499

    Banning drugs caused more problems then good and just fed criminality. The sooner we legalise the better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Czech Republic made possession of reasonable amounts of all drugs legal but outlawed sale. This targeted dealers but left users alone.

    Then they reversed that and made possession illegal for a 10 year period.

    They found drug addiction levels increased.

    They recently reverted to the possession of all drug legal but sales illegal position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    kneemos wrote: »
    You just have to look at happened with the Head Shops recently to see what happens when drugs are legalised,queues down the street every weekend night.

    And...?
    Legal means acceptable which they aren't.

    Why aren't they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭BOHtox


    kneemos wrote: »
    You just have to look at happened with the Head Shops recently to see what happens when drugs are legalised,queues down the street every weekend night.
    Legal means acceptable which they aren't.

    Head shop products aren't drugs. They were poison, bath salts and other products not suitable for human consumption. It does not represent what it would be like if drugs were legal. The main reason is the head shop products were not taken by people until the shops sold them. Marijuana, cocaine etc have been around for decades/centuries.

    Who says drugs aren't acceptable? I'm 19, did the leaving cert, in college and am in the top 3 earners of the closest 15/20 people of my age. Am I less of a person if I occasionally decide I need a joint to get away from the pressures of life? Are Obama, JFK or Carter any less people or are their achievements belittled because they have smoked weed?

    People can get up on their high horses about drugs while they, ironically, have no problem with caffeine, alcohol or cigarettes.

    If a person chooses to do something with their own body in private that is of the concern of no one else, they should not be criminalised or frowned upon!


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Jumboman wrote: »
    For those people who advocate the Legalization of all drugs can you explain how it would work. Would it mean that you could buy heroin in every off licence ?

    It will be government controlled. So any citizen can buy one once they provide a letter from their local td. And that td is currently in a government party.

    Then you simply fill in a form and your heroin will be delivered within 2 weeks.

    Except when it arrives, it's not a heroin, its an Irish passport. In order to get your heroin you will have to fill out an "Incorrect order replacement form 2E". Make sure you don't fill in form 2D or you'll have to start again from scratch.

    If you need help filling in your forms, you can contact the helpline. The helpline has over a hundred operators to take your call, but there is noone trained in telling you how to fill out the form so they just tell you to call back next week.

    In the meantime, the government will have to spend billions bailing out the drug cartels who send us a load of heroin each day, but because it is past its arbitrary best before date (while waiting for the application forms to be stamped) it has to be destroyed.

    Thus, no one gets any heroin, we all get something to complain about, and the country increases its debt. Hurray!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 42 Royal.Baby


    adverts, done deal etc could be used as hubs where you bid for the best quality gear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    And...?



    Why aren't they?

    Addictive ones obviously aren't.
    All of them are mind altering in some way.
    Would you legalise something you wouldn't want your kids to use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    kneemos wrote: »
    Would you legalise something you wouldn't want your kids to use.

    Nicotine and alcohol spring immediately to mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    MadsL wrote: »
    Nicotine and alcohol spring immediately to mind.

    Neither of which you would legalise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    kneemos wrote: »
    Neither of which you would legalise.

    If you were to go back in time would you recommend legalising tobacco?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    MadsL wrote: »
    If you were to go back in time would you recommend legalising tobacco?

    Have to say no.
    Alcohol perhaps.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    MadsL wrote: »
    Nicotine and alcohol spring immediately to mind.

    driving too, probably coffee and don't forget divorce :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    Legalize Cannabis completely. Decriminalise possession of everything else with the aim to help those found in possession rather than punish them with prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭shleedance


    kneemos wrote: »
    Addictive ones obviously aren't.
    All of them are mind altering in some way.
    Would you legalise something you wouldn't want your kids to use.

    What would legalising drugs have to do with children? I don't think anyone agrees here that it should be legal for kids.

    If drugs become legal, there will have to be an age restriction, same as alcohol and tobacco.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    shleedance wrote: »
    What would legalising drugs have to do with children? I don't think anyone agrees here that it should be legal for kids.

    If drugs become legal, there will have to be an age restriction, same as alcohol and tobacco.

    Kids as in young adults.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    kneemos wrote: »
    Addictive ones obviously aren't.
    All of them are mind altering in some way.
    Would you legalise something you wouldn't want your kids to use.

    For adults, yeah. It's not my business what anyone else chooses to do with their own body, including any kids I have once they've turned 18.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Jumboman wrote: »
    For those people who advocate the Legalization of all drugs can you explain how it would work. Would it mean that you could buy heroin in every off licence ?

    It would work just as the, currently legal and presciption controlled, methadone market works.

    So if you think you'd like to see more methadone addicts on the streets and you think it's good for them, legalise away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Legalizing soft drugs merely makes casual use socially acceptable and denies me the illicit thrill of doing something subversive and illegal until I grow out of it. Frankly we don't need to legalize any further intoxicating substances, we've enough trouble with alcohol without adding a whole host of new drugs into the mix. Who knows what social, economic and health fallout we would face as a result, just look at the multi billion cost of alcohol abuse, from minor costs like sick days to major ones like liver transplants.

    What needs to be done is the legalization of hard drugs. But not by putting them next to Vodka in the off license.
    Here's what you do:
    Anybody that wants it can get free class A drugs from a licensed clinic as long as they register themselves as a state drug addict.

    This has several immediate effects.
    The crime rate drops - Junkies don't have to spend all day shop lifting to buy drugs
    Fewer addicts die from accidental overdoses or tainted drugs - State quality control
    Drug dealers and other vicious criminals have to seek alternative employment.

    The long term effects include:

    Reduced number of new addicts to class A drugs. - With the dealers out of business because there's no profit in class A drugs (who wants to owe a violent criminal money when you can get the same junk for free from the state) dealers will not sell them, thus resulting in fewer addicts, after all, what casual drug user is going to register with the state as an addict just to try out a class A drug?

    More users will get clean resulting in fewer registered addicts -
    licensed clinics that supply the drugs will also have a mandate to provide a treatment programme for those that want it. So the supplier will be steering addicts towards recovery rather than addiction.

    A decreese in HIV and Hepititis transmission. A drug clinic unlike a drug dealer can give you a blood test and clean needles.


    That's my 10 cents worth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭HowAreWe


    Personally I wouldn't want the "Legalization" of all drugs. I think they should all be decriminalized.

    I wouldn't class Heroin,Cocaine,LSD,Ketamine and some others in the same boat as say Marijuana or MDMA (ecstasy) which I think should be legal through some form of distribution. Don't see the problem with medicinal Marijuana or even one step further complete legalization and I think MDMA (ecstasy) should be available for use in clubs that must provide test kits . People do it anyway so why not save lives instead of "fighting crime"?

    I find it odd that our society believes it's ok to go and drink 15-16 pints and end up in a state where drama,fights,tears etc. occur. Whereas if you take a pill which gives you a euphoric state of a mind, you're a "junkie". It's a bit hypocritical.
    Seeing people with jaws hanging out munching on the sides of their mouth is not a pretty sight I will admit, but the drug user should know his or her limit just like they have with another drug, alcohol.

    Maybe Marijuana will be legal some day in Ireland but that's about it.

    Here's an interesting graph.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    If FF are in power they'll only be on sale through pubs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    HowAreWe wrote: »
    Personally I wouldn't want the "Legalization" of all drugs. I think they should all be decriminalized.


    I find it odd that our society believes it's ok to go and drink 15-16 pints and end up in a state where drama,fights,tears etc. occur. Whereas if you take a pill which gives you a euphoric state of a mind, you're a "junkie". It's a bit hypocritical.

    .

    In fairness, does society endorse drinking 15 pints and getting in a fight?
    I don't think so.


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