What happened to TV3 HD ?

channelsurfer2 · 23-08-2013 09:10AM

tv3 is not a public service broadcaster so wont spend money if it feels that its not worth their while. In fairness to them(and I dont often defend them) why should they pay a vast amount of money for transmission on mux two to 2RN. that being said I will continue to enjoy all the tv3 programmes on ITVHD instead, when that option is available.

The Cush · 23-08-2013 09:18AM

Sam Russell wrote: »

But they should pay 2RN (RTE NL) for Saorview, and it should be a condition of all broadcasters in the state to broadcast on Saorview.

(... and pay transmission charges!)

Just for clarity, the TV channels pay a multiplexing charge (the DTT Tariff) to a licensed/contracted multiplex operator for carriage on a multiplex, currently RTÉ are the only licensed DTT multiplex operator.

The licensed/contracted multiplex operator in turn enters into a separate contract with 2RN/RTÉNL for broadcast transmission and distribution.

All there in the Comreg Decision document we discussed earlier in the thread.

lertsnim · 23-08-2013 10:26AM

If they aren't paying for DTT then they should be dropped from it and their licence scrapped

Sam Russell · 23-08-2013 10:37PM

As was well vented at the time, the whole DTT launch was mishandled. (No surprise there!)

Saorview was launched in May 2011, but not really as TV3 refused to pay carriage on it. RTE NL should have dropped them from it there and then, or dropped them from the analogue legacy service, but that was not allowed to happen. Neither actually happened because the analogue 'legacy' service was considered by all the operators, RTE, TG4, TV3, BAI and Comreg to be THE service with the launch part of the never ending 'trial'. The real launch would happen when the analogue service was turned off.

Meanwhile TV3 said 'Can't pay, wont pay', which was probably true, which is where we are today.

TV3 never fail to threaten to sue RTE (but never actually do so), to complain about the 'unfair' division of licence money, to complain about the 'unfair' monopoly that RTE has over advertising, etc. etc. No mention of TV3's parked debt to NAMA, nor their failure to pay for DTT. Nor their utter dependancy on ITV originated programming. They have been trumpeting on about their HD Studio for over a year now, but no HD service yet.

Whatever did happen to TV3 HD?

Whatever happened to RTE NN? It took two years for RTE to actually mention it on air. It was on DTT being broadcast but nowhere else in RTE. Sean O'Rourke, after the ASO on the One O'Clock News (The World at One) mentioned the 'NEW' channel RTE News Now, and him in the newsroom! It had only been on the air for two years.

irishfeen · 23-08-2013 10:44PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

But they should pay 2RN (RTE NL) for Saorview, and it should be a condition of all broadcasters in the state to broadcast on Saorview.

(... and pay transmission charges!)

Of course you are right, a date should be giving to TV3 and if that date is passed without all outstanding fees being paid then TV3 should be taken off Saorview... after another period of time say a month after they should also be given a date where their current broadcasting licence would be suspended by the BAI.

I do though think that no Irish channel should pay be be on the sky platform, sky make massive money out of the fact RTE,TV3 and TG4 are available... they should continue to play hardball with sky and if it came to it threaten to leave the platform if sky ever wanted them to pay costs.

byte · 23-08-2013 11:00PM

TV3 having a HD channel on Saorview (and indeed 3e HD) should still be cheaper than paying for their analogue channel, so "can't pay, won't pay" is hardly an excuse unless they were not paying for analogue carriage either.

irishfeen · 23-08-2013 11:06PM

byte wrote: »

TV3 having a HD channel on Saorview (and indeed 3e HD) should still be cheaper than paying for their analogue channel, so "can't pay, won't pay" is hardly an excuse unless they were not paying for analogue carriage either.

... its TV3, they are a joke of a broadcaster who prefer to give out about RTÉ rather then actually making programmes that people might actually want to watch.... the sooner they realise that people don't want to watch celebrity trash television the better.

lertsnim · 23-08-2013 11:20PM

irishfeen wrote: »

I do though think that no Irish channel should pay be be on the sky platform, sky make massive money out of the fact RTE,TV3 and TG4 are available... they should continue to play hardball with sky and if it came to it threaten to leave the platform if sky ever wanted them to pay costs.

I did read about the BBC saying that Sky should be paying them to be on their platform. Interested to see how that pans out.

irishfeen · 23-08-2013 11:51PM

lertsnim wrote: »

I did read about the BBC saying that Sky should be paying them to be on their platform. Interested to see how that pans out.

I think that was about paying for the carriage fees, the BBC want the equivalent of what sky are doing for RTÉ, TV3 and TG4. To be honest the Irish channels should come together to get an even better deal because without the Irish channels sky would loose tens of thousands of customers over a very short space of time... Sky needs the Irish channels much more then the Irish channels need sky.

Elmo · 25-08-2013 01:20PM

Sky will be slow to take up TV3 HD if it does not provide what Sky consider a full HD service. In the case of RTÉ TWO HD it took the summer of 2012 before theY even considered it a HD channel, and that was down to sporting events such as GAA, EURO 2012 and The London Olympic Games.

TV3 are unlike to move their massive amount of daytime programmes into the new HD Studio, as TV3 plan to use this to film HD products away from TV3 as a broadcaster, e.g. RTÉ's School Around The Corner, a BBC science show. TV3 will need to upgrade their older studio to HD.

Note the changes to TV3's daytime schedule

07:00 - 08:00 Ireland AM with Anton Savage
08:00 - 10:45 Ireland AM
10:45 - 11:45 Human Bearbating with with Jeremy Kyle
11:45 - 12:45 Midday
12:45 - 13:00 News at 12:45 (Rather than The 12:45 :rolleyes:)
13:00 - 14:00 Ellen (so something similar)
14:00 - 16:00 Late Lunch Live with Martin King and Lucy Kennedy
16:00 - 17:30 Soap Repeats ???
17:30 - 18:00 The 5:30 (Because they is so hip)
18:00 - 18:30 Xposé

That's nearly the whole day and they can't possible afford to bring them into a Studio they plan to use to for hire.

UPC might take TV3 HD but only because it is desperately looking for HD services. Surprising that UPC have yet to make an agreement with Sky for their HD channels when their recently acquired Virgin Media operator in the UK has benefited from sky's HD services.

tv3 is not a public service broadcaster so wont spend money if it feels that its not worth their while. In fairness to them(and I dont often defend them) why should they pay a vast amount of money for transmission on mux two to 2RN. that being said I will continue to enjoy all the tv3 programmes on ITVHD instead, when that option is available.

Why did they ask for 3E to go to Channel 5 on Saorview? IMO 3E has only grown in the last year due to their availability on Soarview.

irishfeen · 25-08-2013 02:43PM

Elmo wrote: »

Sky will be slow to take up TV3 HD if it does not provide what Sky consider a full HD service. In the case of RTÉ TWO HD it took the summer of 2012 before theY even considered it a HD channel, and that was down to sporting events such as GAA, EURO 2012 and The London Olympic Games.

TV3 are unlike to move their massive amount of daytime programmes into the new HD Studio, as TV3 plan to use this to film HD products away from TV3 as a broadcaster, e.g. RTÉ's School Around The Corner, a BBC science show. TV3 will need to upgrade their older studio to HD.

Note the changes to TV3's daytime schedule

07:00 - 08:00 Ireland AM with Anton Savage
08:00 - 10:45 Ireland AM
10:45 - 11:45 Human Bearbating with with Jeremy Kyle
11:45 - 12:45 Midday
12:45 - 13:00 News at 12:45 (Rather than The 12:45 :rolleyes:)
13:00 - 14:00 Ellen (so something similar)
14:00 - 16:00 Late Lunch Live with Martin King and Lucy Kennedy
16:00 - 17:30 Soap Repeats ???
17:30 - 18:00 The 5:30 (Because they is so hip)
18:00 - 18:30 Xposé

That's nearly the whole day and they can't possible afford to bring them into a Studio they plan to use to for hire.

UPC might take TV3 HD but only because it is desperately looking for HD services. Surprising that UPC have yet to make an agreement with Sky for their HD channels when their recently acquired Virgin Media operator in the UK has benefited from sky's HD services.

Why did they ask for 3E to go to Channel 5 on Saorview? IMO 3E has only grown in the last year due to their availability on Soarview.

Surely though with Emmerdale, Coronation street, all the other ITV imports, films and CL/EL matches in HD then they would cover the minimum native HD broadcasting arrangements set out by sky.

From Sky -(http://corporate.sky.com/documents/pdf/20c24d2e1c62406594e1a79de5f917db/Allocating_listings_EPG

the channel may include no less than 320 hours of nonrepeating native HD programmes in each 12 month period
provided that the channel includes no less than 70 hours of
non-repeating native HD programmes in each 3 month
period

... they would easily cover them numbers with ITV imports alone.

Sam Russell · 25-08-2013 03:27PM

Unless UTV gets the all-Ireland rights to ITV programmes. They could then apply for a Saorview licence for UTV HD, and its bye-bye TV3.

irishfeen · 25-08-2013 03:33PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Unless UTV gets the all-Ireland rights to ITV programmes. They could then apply for a Saorview licence for UTV HD, and its bye-bye TV3.

To be honest it seems to be all unfounded rumours about UTV launching down here... I have never heard them come out and actually say they are interested in any real way about entering the Irish television market.

Sam Russell · 25-08-2013 03:38PM

Yes, but they are heavily invested in radio in the republic. Makes sense to have a UTV Ireland channel. It improves ad revenue, and could add radio plugs for TV programmes. Would be cheap to set-up as they already have the infrastructure in NI to start with, together with radio studios around the country.

Elmo · 25-08-2013 05:43PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Yes, but they are heavily invested in radio in the republic. Makes sense to have a UTV Ireland channel. It improves ad revenue, and could add radio plugs for TV programmes. Would be cheap to set-up as they already have the infrastructure in NI to start with, together with radio studios around the country.

The last rumour I heard was UTV eyeing up the TV3 debt.

Elmo · 14-03-2014 09:52AM

Small mention of TV3 HD in an interview with marketing.ie from Pat Keily

http://blog.marketing.ie/?p=15854

Kiely said TV3 expects to roll out HD in a few years from now.

What is a few years?

channelsurfer2 · 14-03-2014 09:55AM

Elmo wrote: »

Small mention of TV3 HD in an interview with marketing.ie from Pat Keily

http://blog.marketing.ie/?p=15854

What is a few years?

they might not even be around in a few years???

lertsnim · 14-03-2014 03:27PM

In other words, "we will launch TV3 HD if someone pays for it"

Rick_ · 14-03-2014 04:27PM

The way I read it, it was more like

"TV 3 HD will never launch".

channelsurfer2 · 14-03-2014 05:36PM

Paddy C wrote: »

The way I read it, it was more like

"TV 3 HD will never launch".

It is dead in the water if UTV take most of the main primetime advertising revenue.

mackersdublin · 14-03-2014 11:01PM

Paddy C wrote: »

The way I read it, it was more like

"TV3 HD will never launch".

Why on earth did they spend so much money on their Sony HD studios, if they might launch a HD channel in a few years...

irishfeen · 14-03-2014 11:15PM

mackersdublin wrote: »

Why on earth did they spend so much money on their Sony HD studios, if they might launch a HD channel in a few years...

Its TV3! - don't ask stupid questions like that

Elmo · 15-03-2014 01:22PM

mackersdublin wrote: »

Why on earth did they spend so much money on their Sony HD studios, if they might launch a HD channel in a few years...

They want to use it for production for programming on other tv channels and a place to produced pilots for format programming like the lie and crossfire. Nothing to do with there own plans for HD broadcasting.

EdmondShiels3 · 15-03-2014 07:17PM

I think i read that they are going to use it for the production of their new soap. They also said they were looking at selling the soap abroad.

rev1890 · 17-03-2014 02:55PM

If TV3 want to stay in the game they should be looking at HD as soon as possible. I have found since UTV HD was launched on UPC that I rarely watch TV3 now. Previously UTV SD was dreadful, especially for football, but I now ignore champions league on TV3 as the picture is now so much better on UTV HD. In fact since all the HD channels are clustered together on UPC I don't tend to deviate much from them. I don't even watch Channel 4 as much as I used to.
But for TV3 to be talking about HD in a few years time is ridiculous, I think with that sort of thinking they won't be around in a few years!
I suspect they may eventually give up being a broadcaster and just turn to being a production company. Their plans for the HD studios would suggest this is more in their thinking.

Sam Russell · 17-03-2014 03:17PM

EdmondShiels3 wrote: »

I think i read that they are going to use it for the production of their new soap. They also said they were looking at selling the soap abroad.

Watch out Proctor and Gamble and Lever Bros then.

Hotblack Desiato · 18-03-2014 02:42AM

Picture quality is the least of your worries with sport on TV3. The commentary and analysis are abysmal.

mark_jmc · 15-04-2014 10:58AM

just read that TV3 have won the broadcasting rights for the rugby world cup 2015,if they dont have HD by then the picture quality will be crap

Elmo · 15-04-2014 11:48AM

mark_jmc wrote: »

just read that TV3 have won the broadcasting rights for the rugby world cup 2015,if they dont have HD by then the picture quality will be crap

They have said they will launch TV3 HD in mid-2015. 23 games on 3E!!!!

seanp_25 · 15-04-2014 11:48AM

Is there any stipulation in the rights sold for the RWC that it has to be available to viewers in HD?

Surely RWCL would set out a minimum level of production quality required by the winning bidder.

What happened to TV3 HD ?

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