Ladies your opinions on men using brothels and prostitutes

Keith300 wrote: »

Tell her you want to sit down and discuss your sex life. Don't tolerate evasiveness.

Tell her sex is very important to you and that you are miserable without it. I'd ask her if she isn't attracted to me anymore.

I agree with this.... Sounds to me like she may just not be attracted to you anymore. However instead of you acknowledging this and doing something about that its easier for you to pay someone who will give you what you want even if they're not attracted to you.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I reckon OP might be a male, either after indulging in some trick gash, or was a good boy on this occasion, but wondering if he can empty his correction pen, on the next vacation.

They obviously have a grass in the golfing group... Not that I'm condoning what they did

Czarcasm wrote: »

You don't need a PhD in biology or psychology to have sex Max, it's not me has reduced the discussion merely to the physical act or a business transaction. I'm only working with what I'm given.


Visiting a sex worker isn't going to solve their issues in the long term. Their money may be better spent seeing a mental health professional.


Visiting a sex worker as I said, isn't going to solve their issues. People suffering from mental health issues require the services of a mental health professional and if you actually REALLY gave a damn about these people instead of just using them to make some touchy feely point, you'd see that a quick fumble between the sheets with a "tart with a heart" so to speak, really isn't going to make them feel any better about themselves in the long term. It's only going to make their pockets feel a bit lighter, not their minds. The best sex workers are ruthless, they don't care about their client's problems either- "Get in, get off, get out!" It's that simple.


The majority of people inhabit the world I do tbh, the amount of people in comparison who avail of the services of sex workers are squarely in the minority.


Irrelevant? You come out with a statement that sex workers are paid to fcuk off, and how that's it in a nutshell, and then you change up and start giving it welly expecting anyone should give a fiddlers for those who visit sex workers?

I've let you steer the discussion so far Max and tbh you've done a bang up job of driving yourself into a cul-de-sac, but by all means I'd love to see you pull a three point turn on a one way street and tell me what you consider relevant. I'm only along for the ride.


Ohh trust me Max, I know only too well some people got some freaky deaky shìt goin' on, but y'know what the best bit is? They've got it going on for free! If a person prefers to venture on the freaky side, there's nothing stopping them leaving their marriage and indulging their every sexual fantasy elsewhere, for free! Whether they want to leave their marriage to avail of this free sex is another story though. There's no such thing as being stuck with someone you don't want to be with, and if you don't want to leave, that's your own tough titty.


Totally makes sense Max, but you don't have to visit sex workers to enjoy role play and fantasy, it's available freely if you're prepared to put in the very little effort required.

You suggested that sex was plentiful, I merely wanted to point out that this is not the case for some. There are many people who find socialising incredibly difficult.
I don't believe Czar that the discussion was 'reduced' to exploring a business transaction - that is precisely what the discussion is about.

Whether I give a damn about people with mental health issues or not is really irrelevant. I'm sure you appreciate that. My point was not meant to be touchy-feely, it was simply meant to illustrate the simplicity of yours. And no, I don't believe sex with a prostitute has any long term benefits to those suffering with mental health issues, and I never suggested it would. But I can understand why someone who is lonely, and feels isolated would seek out the intimacy of sex with a prostitute - mental health issues or none. And tbh, I've always found short term benefits to have their merits too. Your point sounds like the justification some people give for not providing cash to drug using beggars "they'll only spend it on drugs" - You have to laugh. Obv a pension fund would be the preferable choice

The joke about sex with prostitutes 'is a joke' as you put it yourself, so succinctly. Yet it contains the nub of what is desirable "to some" about the transaction i.e the lack of attachment. Giving a fiddlers about those who visit sex-workers is the same as giving a fiddlers about anyone. The idea that clients of prostitutes represent a group unworthy of compassion or concern is bizarre. Careful on your pedestal - most fall off.

By all means I will explain anything you like, after you have outlined the cul-de-sac you mention. While I appreciate you allowing me to steer the discussion, I feel I would benefit in the long run if you put an end to the charade, and allowed me the benefit of your wisdom.

You may believe that there is no such thing as being stuck with someone you don't want to be with. I would wager that millions world-wide might beg to differ. The whole sphere of human relationships is fraught, as anyone with their eyes open will appreciate. You certainly seem to have it figured out Czar, and for that I congratulate you. I'm sure none of your relationships will suffer inter-personal crises, infidelities, mistakes, damages trust etc, and if they do, I'm sure you will navigate them with grace and ease.

For the rest of the plebs though, I feel we should some slack. The horny goats know not what they do. They have sperm for brains, and a dick for a moral compass. Forgive them

Emme wrote: »

If somebody is able to visit a prostitute they are able to socialise. No excuses. I didn't make the suggestion that sex is plentiful but I would agree with the person who did. I think men in Ireland nowadays have more access to sex than ever before. If they want to score in a nightclub they can, if they want to go online for an anonymous encounter they can, it's there for the taking.

Perhaps the fact that sex is so plentiful has made some men lazy. They don't want to go through the bother of actually talking to a woman before having sex - they'd rather pay for a straightforward transaction with a prostitution and get it over and done with, no kissing, no conversation.

People here have argued vehemently that prostitutes aren't trafficked but I don't believe that is always the case. To the man who goes to "mature" 40 and 50 something prostitutes, why do this when there are plenty of attractive well-preserved women in that age group here who are looking for sex themselves? I agree that the single women of that age most likely want relationships, but some might be in the same position themselves (married) and would be happy to sleep with him for free.

OK - sex is easy as pie for 'everyone' - we'll have to agree to disagree on that one

I haven't heard anyone dispute that trafficking happens.

What I have heard is people pointing out that this is a separate phenomenon to prostitution.

Emme wrote: »

If somebody is able to visit a prostitute they are able to socialise. No excuses. I didn't make the suggestion that sex is plentiful but I would agree with the person who did. I think men in Ireland nowadays have more access to sex than ever before. If they want to score in a nightclub they can, if they want to go online for an anonymous encounter they can, it's there for the taking.

Perhaps the fact that sex is so plentiful has made some men lazy. They don't want to go through the bother of actually talking to a woman before having sex - they'd rather pay for a straightforward transaction with a prostitute and get it over and done with, no kissing, no conversation.

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I don't agree with that at all. It's probably easier now than it has ever been in theory, but it is far from shooting fish in a barrel. I explained a lot of the potential difficulties in an earlier post, yet I'm still seeing people write the sort of thing you have written. I often get lynched for claiming to know what women go through, yet I see women doing the same thing with regards to men.

Candie wrote: »

Of course it's not that easy, the point was that if you can visit a prostitute, you can communicate with women and socialise, but that perhaps some men are too lazy to put in the effort and go for the sure thing with no effort.

Why should anyone have to socialise, communicate and put effort in to get off? Plenty of people orgasm every day with as much effort as it takes to find a few good pictures on the internet. (That can be a lot of effort, by the way.)

Is the utmost of a relationship dicks exploding and eyes rolling? If someone wants a relationship they should look for it, it involves two willing people. If someone wants an orgasm, then why not include two also willing people?

Emme wrote: »

If somebody is able to visit a prostitute they are able to socialise. No excuses. I didn't make the suggestion that sex is plentiful but I would agree with the person who did. I think men in Ireland nowadays have more access to sex than ever before. If they want to score in a nightclub they can, if they want to go online for an anonymous encounter they can, it's there for the taking.

Perhaps the fact that sex is so plentiful has made some men lazy. They don't want to go through the bother of actually talking to a woman before having sex - they'd rather pay for a straightforward transaction with a prostitute and get it over and done with, no kissing, no conversation.

People here have argued vehemently that prostitutes aren't trafficked but I don't believe that is always the case. To the man who goes to "mature" 40 and 50 something prostitutes, why do this when there are plenty of attractive well-preserved women in that age group here who are looking for sex themselves? I agree that the single women of that age most likely want relationships, but some might be in the same position themselves (married) and would be happy to sleep with him for free.

This post displays a huge lack of understanding of many mens experience in the sex scene.

Even if it were true that sex was "there for the taking", I don't see how a man choosing to see a prostitute makes him necessarily makes him "lazy". It's been pointed out there are many other reasons.

And again, even if we were to accept that him not being bothered to make the effort was a motivation to see a prostitute, he doesn't need to make an "excuse" for that. It's his choice, his business and nobody else'.

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's actually pretty spot on. The majority of men don't visit sex workers, so it's actually not many men. Your perspective would be that of only a few men.

If you don't like the word lazy, there's always the phrase "more convenient for them". But what you call "reasons", most people would indeed call excuses, and poor excuses at that.

Except when he chooses to make it everybody elses business on a public forum. I just haven't commented on his particular circumstances as I don't see much point. He's likely to continue as he is regardless of anything discussed here and has an excuse for all the alternatives and advice other posters have tried to give him.

Not the majority = 'a few'???? Where do you get this stuff? By all means disagree, but don't state opinion as fact - it's childish and benefits no one.

Most people? I presume by most people you mean anyone who agrees with you. Otherwise, who are these 'most people'? You've surveyed them? Spoke to them? Don't assume you speak for a majority, it doesn't serve you well. It's a lazy style of putting your point across, made all the more humourous considering you are critiquing the laziness of the 'punter'.

Complete random, but I wonder would erotic massages for women be a gap in the market? After all, perhaps women will be the main breadwinners and have all the stress that that entails.

Hmmm, I guess a lot of the psychological and physical dangers would be avoided if there is no actual penetration and everybody practices hygiene. And there could be oils, mild vibrations, and my limited knowledge of female anatomy ends there...

And I wonder would that be prostitution, as long as nobody is trafficked? Personally, I'd try and have a zero tolerance on groping and solicitation.

I'm not being snarky, just genuinely curious.

Plenty of hotels and health and fitness clubs offer massage therapy and spa breaks GG, for both men and women, where they can have all the massages their body can handle!

You know, I've noticed this on the other thread also.

When you call me GG...I kind of like it :P

He's right about the no strings sites - there is a big ratio difference. Maybe not as big as he claims but there is a huge difference. Regular dating sites are probably more equal though. There's an element of truth to what he's saying in general but he's thinking very negatively which often becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. As I've said before though, if you have social difficulties it can be tough out there, especially as a man. And it doesn't have to be as severe as something like Asperger's either.