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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Have any Muslims considered suing the Presbyterians for stealing the idea of predestination? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Have any Muslims considered suing the Presbyterians for stealing the idea of predestination? :pac:

    The copyright had expired.

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Why Muslim girls as young as 6/7 should cover up. Apparently they start to "look pretty and she would be desired" (as they start developing womanly shapes).
    He doesn't mention covering up explicitly but that's how Islam deals with attractive kids, they must cover up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    ^^^
    :eek::eek:

    "Symptoms of maturity". Speaks volumes...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Hardline religion - not quite making the world a better place:

    http://www.jta.org/2013/07/31/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/haredi-protesters-smash-bus-windows-after-woman-refuses-to-move-to-back
    JERUSALEM (JTA) — Haredi Orthodox assailants in Beit Shemesh smashed the windows of a bus after a woman refused to sit apart from men.

    The trouble began Wednesday afternoon when a haredi man demanded that a female passenger move to the back of the crowded public bus in Beit Shemesh, a sprawling suburb located near Jerusalem. When she refused, four haredi men blocked the bus, smashed the windshield and broke other windows with a hammer, according to reports.

    Haredi assailants later stoned two other public buses driving through Beit Shemesh, smashing their windows as well. Police detained the man who demanded that the woman move to the back of the bus and a haredi woman who tried to prevent police from detaining him. Two other men were arrested for blocking the bus.

    Israel’s Transportation Ministry maintains a voluntary segregation plan for public buses under which riders may sit separately if they desire, but passengers cannot pressure other passengers to sit separately. The plan was approved by Israel’s Supreme Court.

    Beit Shemesh gained international notoriety in 2011 when a group of haredi men spit upon and cursed at an 8-year-old Modern Orthodox girl, Naama Margolis, as she walked to school through their neighborhood. The city is currently in the midst of an acrimonious mayoral race, with two Modern Orthodox candidates running to unseat the sitting haredi mayor.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I've watched some docs about those ultraortodox jews
    This one is pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGJg1lHPPZw

    An insight into jewish women and covering up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK0P9NtH_wM


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Religious group discovers that religious groups should be allowed to promote political campaigns while remaining tax-exempt.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/regulation-of-church-nonprofit-political-speech-untenable-report-finds-102292/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Pentecostal preachers tell HIV patients in their flock to stop taking their meds and use this water instead. Some of them do.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729684


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    robindch wrote: »
    Pentecostal preachers tell HIV patients in their flock to stop taking their meds and use this water instead. Some of them do.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729684

    Pentecostal homeopathy? Irrational synergy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Iran traffic police to help catch people not dressing to spec.
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/110614/iran-tightens-dress-code-dogs-necklaces-men


    2011 but first time I've heard about it.

    Also in the article:
    Under Islamic customs, dogs are deemed to be "unclean." Iranians, in general, avoid keeping them at home, but still a minority, especially in north Tehran's upper-class districts, enjoy keeping pets.
    Last year Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi, a prominent hardline cleric, issued a fatwa against keeping dogs and said the trend must stop.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    An Indian skeptic and proponent of laws against superstition-peddling quacks has been murdered.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23756353


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭SebBerkovich


    So, Pope Benny been out of the job for a while, but the good news is that it has given him a good long time to think of a reason to tell people he quit....

    and for those of you who had your money on "The Gay's made me do it" you're only a few letters off.
    Turns out that this could be one of the few times someone has publicly said "God made me do it" without having just perpetrated a hideous crime. . . . actually...

    More of this... in The Guardian


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    He saw the new guy doing a better job or at least being more popular, and suddenly it became clear that it was god's will that he step down.

    Isn't there a story about an animal who wanted some grapes, but couldn't reach them, and made up a story to explain that he never wanted them and they were probably sour anyway so he was actually glad he couldn't reach them?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    biko wrote: »
    Iran traffic police to help catch people not dressing to spec.
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/110614/iran-tightens-dress-code-dogs-necklaces-men


    2011 but first time I've heard about it.

    Also in the article:

    Reminds me of a part of Persopolis (an all time favourite), check out the scene from about 26:50 onwards;



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,655 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Sarky wrote: »
    He saw the new guy doing a better job or at least being more popular, and suddenly it became clear that it was god's will that he step down.

    Isn't there a story about an animal who wanted some grapes, but couldn't reach them, and made up a story to explain that he never wanted them and they were probably sour anyway so he was actually glad he couldn't reach them?

    No, but there is a story about how someone brought a bunch of grapes to Muhammad and Muhammad ate them all. Then when Muhammad's followers asked why he didn't share the grapes with them, he said that the grapes were sour, but he didn't want the man to feel bad at having brought sour grapes so Muhammad ate them all to prevent anyone else eating one, being disgusted and making the man feel bad.

    Which is exactly what I would say if I wanted to eat a bunch of grapes without sharing them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Penn wrote: »
    No, but there is a story about how someone brought a bunch of grapes to Muhammad and Muhammad ate them all. Then when Muhammad's followers asked why he didn't share the grapes with them, he said that the grapes were sour, but he didn't want the man to feel bad at having brought sour grapes so Muhammad ate them all to prevent anyone else eating one, being disgusted and making the man feel bad.

    Which is exactly what I would say if I wanted to eat a bunch of grapes without sharing them.

    There is actually a story of a fox that can't reach some grapes and so decides that they look sour. It's one of Aesop's fables. Why a fox would want to eat grapes I'm not sure since they tend to be quite bad for canids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,655 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    kylith wrote: »
    There is actually a story of a fox that can't reach some grapes and so decides that they look sour. It's one of Aesop's fables. Why a fox would want to eat grapes I'm not sure since they tend to be quite bad for canids.

    Haha, don't know why I worded the start of my post like that. I didn't mean to say there was no such story :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    But the fox only said the grapes were sour because he couldn't reach them. Whereas Benny already had the grapes, but he just got tired of guarding them.
    Nowadays he has all the perks and none of the work. It reminds me of the Green Party during the last government here. After a lifetime in opposition, they had one shot at being govt. ministers. As time ran out for them, they organised a system of rotating shifts at being the minister, so that as many as possible would live the luxurious life of an ex-minister afterwards, with both a TD's and a ministers pension.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Pantech


    Hi lads,

    I live in the US for the past few years. Since moving, I've become friends with many religious people, often evangelicals and even some young earth creationists. I'd love to find one of them who was willing to sit down over a beer and respectfully chat about how religion etc but I haven't found one yet. On a few occasions where I've questioned something they have said, they seem to want to end the conversation as quickly as possible unfortunately.

    Every so often, something comes up on facebook - usually I try to ignore it, but engaged with one of them yesterday (Steve) on a post he made, where he praised God for working through the woman in the school in Georgia, where she talked the gunman down. I copied it below after removing names - thought you might find it interesting reading how their mindset works.

    I was tempted to reply again and point out some of the many issues with his explanation (or rather, his justification), but decided against it in the end.

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    John

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Welcome, pantech. You're amongst friends.

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Pantech


    endacl wrote: »
    Welcome, pantech. You're amongst friends.

    ;)

    Thanks! Actually I pretty much read everything here for the past number of years, but am not that good at actually posting...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Pantech's post reminds me of a remark by the great Pterry*; no-one gives credit to God for the bad miracles: there was a patch of oil just there and the railing was broken in just the right place. Just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's not a miracle.

    *That's Terry Pratchett, if you were wondering


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Pantech wrote: »
    Thanks! Actually I pretty much read everything here for the past number of years, but am not that good at actually posting...


    .....never stopped me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    kylith wrote: »
    Pantech's post reminds me of a remark by the great Pterry*; no-one gives credit to God for the bad miracles: there was a patch of oil just there and the railing was broken in just the right place. Just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's not a miracle.

    *That's Terry Pratchett, if you were wondering

    Soul Music. I think he was talking about the death of Susan Sto Helit's parents.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Small Gods is a great read -- elegant, thoughtful, biting satire of religion and its adherents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    Small Gods is a great read -- elegant, thoughtful, biting satire of religion and its adherents.

    It indeed all that - and more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    robindch wrote: »
    Small Gods is a great read -- elegant, thoughtful, biting satire of religion and its adherents.

    My favourite is Night Watch. I've read them all, multiple times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭ibstar


    http://www.euronews.com/2013/08/25/buddhist-mob-burns-muslims-houses-in-myanmar-sectarian-violence/

    Did I miss something about Buddhists being peaceful? Always thought Buddhists act/react and do things differently.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ibstar wrote: »
    http://www.euronews.com/2013/08/25/buddhist-mob-burns-muslims-houses-in-myanmar-sectarian-violence/

    Did I miss something about Buddhists being peaceful? Always thought Buddhists act/react and do things differently.


    ...bit of a myth. The Sri Lankan war was as a result of sectarian violence against Tamils by majority Buddhists.


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