Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours - 2013/14

newballsplease · 19-08-2013 11:39AM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Because nobody thinks he's worth that amount maybe....

So Utd are right to bid less than that so.

Fenix · 19-08-2013 11:39AM

Excited to get both. I'm aware in probably in the minority, but I've always said Baines would be a strong upgrade on Evra. I still believe that. I also think Fellani would be a good signing and a strong partnership with Carrick.

Next bid should be £35m or so. Get it done.

The_Kew_Tour · 19-08-2013 11:41AM

I think we will need close to 40 mil to get both sadly.

kryogen · 19-08-2013 11:44AM

Everton paid 15 million for Fellaini which rose to 17.5 million over the course of his 5 years at the club.

United offer 12 million for Baines, which was rejected.

United offer 28million for both players, putting Fellaini's value at a maximum of 16 million?

It sounds too retarded to be true to be honest. Maybe the figure is wrong?

In the 5 years that Fellaini has been at the club, where he has enhanced his reputation and established himself in the league, his value has dropped by 1.5 million? No way

homerjay2005 · 19-08-2013 11:48AM

Everton have released an official statement -

going to make it hard to get either of them now unless the players both push for it.

Everton can confirm that it has received bids from Manchester United for two players. Those bids were immediately rejected out of hand as derisory and insulting.

The Club did not make public these details as it was vital Roberto Martinez’s preparations for the opening game of the Premier League season were not
disrupted in anyway.

The_Kew_Tour · 19-08-2013 11:49AM

Jesus we won't be able to sign Osman even now.

I can only laugh now

fish fingers · 19-08-2013 11:55AM

Do teams not like activating release clauses, kind of a unwritten rule. I know Suarez with arsenal.

Discodog · 19-08-2013 11:58AM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Because nobody thinks he's worth that amount maybe....

Exactly. No one else is interested so the price is too high. Everton have little negotiating power unless another buyer comes along or they don't need the money.

The criticism of Woodward is pointless as it's pure, sensationalist speculation.

master-t · 19-08-2013 11:59AM

TheTownie wrote: »

Its not a case of us being happy or content with having Baines and Evra. The fact is Baines wouldn't join us unless he was assured he would be the number 1 left back and if he was promised that then Evra would want out immediately and rightly so because neither are at a stage in their careers where they would be happy to play second fiddle to anyone.

And with no signs or evidence of Evra wanting out the only way signing Baines makes sense is if Moyes wants rid of Evra which I for one wouldn't be too happy about because there are many others players that need moving on before Evra.

As I said, i would be happy as a fan if Moyes could keep both happy. Which I agreed with you would be quite difficult. I think if Evra wants to stay then we don't need to bid for Baines.

homerjay2005 · 19-08-2013 12:02PM

offers were made last week before the season started, assume United wanted both players in for Swansea.

supersean1999 · 19-08-2013 12:03PM

33-35m imo is there value. Prob 35m 12-13m and 20-23m . Now it just seems retarded not to do this deal 1 month ago. Buy both. Sell buttner.

Your Airbag · 19-08-2013 12:03PM

derisory and insulting.

Strong words from Everton. This is our fourth rejected bid of this transfer window right? 2 for Cesc, 1 for Baines and now 1 for Baines and Fellaini.

Why we didn't bid for Fellaini before his release clause was up is baffling.

Why we didn't go for Cesc before Thiago is baffling.

Why we are even bidding for Baines is baffling. We needs CM additions.

We seem happy to start negotiations with a low bid that will be rejected.

It looks like the dead cert Fellaini may not be coming to OT after all.

This has turned from bad to worse.

Someone needs to have a word with Woodward or Moyes. Its going to end up as a shambles otherwise.

I hope Moyes has some world class deals going on in the background that are close to getting done.

Saying that, getting Ronaldo back would be a massive coup and in many fans eyes render this window a success.

dahat · 19-08-2013 12:06PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Everton have released an official statement -

going to make it hard to get either of them now unless the players both push for it.

A distinct lack of "Not for sale" in there

Corvo · 19-08-2013 12:08PM

I hope we sign David Gill

homerjay2005 · 19-08-2013 12:09PM

dahat wrote: »

A distinct lack of "Not for sale" in there

same as Fabregas really when Martino said "up to the player".

Ultimately as yet we have not tested them properly, but now surely Everton will not sell for anything less than £23 for fellani and about £15 for Baines.

remember reading one of the better journalists a few weeks back (cant remember which one it was) that said it would need to be close to £18million for Baines, which is just insane.

SirDelboy18 · 19-08-2013 12:10PM

This is turning into a bit of a farce now to be honest. Do the two of them (Moyes and Woodward) have any clue at all?

Why are we bidding for Baines when that position has no immediate need to be addressed? It's not like Baines is 20, he will be 29 in December - do we really need to be splashing out all that on a left back with no resale value when the one we have is doing perfectly fine? I seriously question that move. Especially considering he will probably cost around 16-18 million. What the **** is Moyes at?

I also question the Fellaini move, considering the type of midfielder Moyes has obviously identified as being needed (Fab and Thiago are polar opposites of Fellaini). It seems very panicky and hurried. I personally do not believe Fellaini is of the necessary quality to make a very meaningful contribution to the team, but acknowledge he is better than most of what we have.

I think it is also the worst possible way of showing ambition in the transfer market - the safety of what Moyes knows.

I can only pray that Everton stick to their guns.

newballsplease · 19-08-2013 12:10PM

Every player at Everton has their price...

Its like buying something on ebay.... Bid low and see how it goes from there!
No point paying over the odds. Utd are waiting till near the end of the window. Thats when they will either get cheap or pay high for the players.
Everton are desperate for cash.

master-t · 19-08-2013 12:11PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

where exactly is the panic stations? i dont see anybody panicking, i do see people however baffled that we are bidding for a player we dont need and trying to get another for a half assed price.

tis your good self that needs to calm down a little and stop over reacting to what is, just a discussion about some news that has just broken today and is completely irrelevant to the win which i think everybody is delighted with.

Now Homer, I hope I don't need to spell out that the panic stations I refer to are mainly based around your tantrums of the club being a complete disgrace in the transfer market, shocking and disrespectful bids for players etc etc etc (please see last 2 months of posts). I am not over reacting at all. I am telling people to calm down. Words used in this forum, mainly by your good self in fairness, of the club being a disgrace or embarrassing and disrespecting another club etc are way off the mark.

You then try to somehow cover yourself by saying 'I'll still be the first inline supporting Moyes and the club 100%'. OK.

I think it's just a little push on the panic button - you seemed to hit it on take off - when I don't think there is any need to. The club, and believe me, they know a lot more about that needs to be done, how to do it and when to do it - then you, myself or anyone here.

A discussion Homer is fine - hence when we are all on boards - but the same repetitive nonsense and over reaction to things is where it changes.

Kirby wrote: »

Did you even watch the game? The football Chelsea played in the first half was pure sex to watch. It's the best I've seen them play in years. The movement and interplay between Oscar, Hazard, Debruyne with excellent and was the best football on offer to watch of the weekend....atleast the first half.

You accuse other people of being "ABU"s but it seems you are just irritated that a rival is being praised for playing well.

I did watch the game. I thought Chelsea played nice football, but wern't challenged by Hull - who look out of their depth. They upped their game in the second half, but still looked out of it. The press are and have been all over his balls since his return. Just simply read headlines or phrases and compare to the same with Moyes. Totally different spins on both and I don't like it. It will become more apparent as the season goes on I would think.

dahat · 19-08-2013 12:11PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

same as Fabregas really when Martino said "up to the player".

Ultimately as yet we have not tested them properly, but now surely Everton will not sell for anything less than £23 for fellani and about £15 for Baines.

remember reading one of the better journalists a few weeks back (cant remember which one it was) that said it would need to be close to £18million for Baines, which is just insane.

Moyes obviously see's Baines as a better LB then Evra,we can't change that so it looks likely that both will have to push for moves but something tells me that Baines won't though one would imagine Moyes has spoken to both of them regarding us..

Your Airbag · 19-08-2013 12:12PM

If UTD make a second bid will they up it by 10m? The Cesc saga indicates we won't.

Macca07 · 19-08-2013 12:13PM

Lots of posts this morning on the Fellaini and Baines bids. The offer was supposedly £28 million for the 2, 12 for Baines, 16 for Fellaini. People calling these offers embarrassing. These are starting bids to let the players know we are interested. Simple as that. Also, Moyes knows exactly the finances that are available to Everton, sweet fcuk all. I reckon the double bid will rise to £35 before Everton will agree. If we started our bidding at 30 odd million, it would rise to above 40. I for one am happy that we are bidding low for players, have been ripped off too much in the past with players.

The reason we didn't bid the buyout fee for Fellaini was because that it would be an upfront payment for a player, and it cannot be spread out over 2/3 years, like most transfers are done. Also, I don't think United value him at that.

Baines has 2 years left on his contract, Fellaini has 3 years left. I honestly don't think we are after Baines unless Evra is off to Monaco, but only time will tell.

master-t · 19-08-2013 12:15PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

same as Fabregas really when Martino said "up to the player".

Ultimately as yet we have not tested them properly, but now surely Everton will not sell for anything less than £23 for fellani and about £15 for Baines.

remember reading one of the better journalists a few weeks back (cant remember which one it was) that said it would need to be close to £18million for Baines, which is just insane.

Is it though? 18m for arguably the best LB in the league? 28 year old, assist machine, set piece specialist? I agree, more value in Luke Shaw for example, but a gamble on someone who we would probably have to pay about 15m for.

Either way, it's a confusing bid if Paddy Evra wants to stay and who i think we should keep anyway over Baines.

TheTownie · 19-08-2013 12:24PM

Sky sources: Arsenal make bid for Newcastle midfielder Yohan Cabaye.

DM_7 · 19-08-2013 12:24PM

Just catching this news now did Everton choose to make this public or was it leaked from elsewhere?

going by Martinez comments before and Everton giving out about the bid value it appears Everton would sell and accept the players would want the move but want serious money.

elius · 19-08-2013 12:26PM

Fellaini is not really the type of player i was hoping we would sign when you see the interest in Thiago and the concrete offer made for Cesc how in the name of Sir Alex does Fellaini relate to these players. We where average at best on Saturday, Chelsea where outstanding crisp passing football.

Your Airbag · 19-08-2013 12:28PM

Info from @DTguardian is that #mufc cooled on Modric and Cabaye...

https://twitter.com/GuardianJamieJ/status/369429966863101952

Nalz · 19-08-2013 12:36PM

lads, is it not just a case that these were opening bids?

Why such a big deal about the amount when others seem to value the two players are 5-7m more than what was offered?

Corvo · 19-08-2013 12:36PM

Alan Curbishley

I’m surprised by the figure, I think David still thinks he’s at Everton, penny pinching and trying to nick players. I can’t see how he thinks he could get those two players for that money

He's right too. If you want him (Fellaini and Baines), go and get him and just get him through the door. Too late in the day now.

Morzadec · 19-08-2013 12:36PM

As a neutral I would say that in the current market:

Fellaini is worth about £23m

Baines is worth about £17m

That's about £40m.

I still think that even at that price (£40m) Everton would be crazy to sell. They would be selling their 2 best players, making any kind of European qualification an impossibility and possibly risking a relegation battle down the line (new manager and 2 best players leaving, the likes of Norwich, Swansea, Southampton all strengthening with big-money buys - stranger things have happened.)

Fan backlash a possibility too.

You factor all that in, then maybe a couple of million more for selling to a fellow Premier League team, and I think United will be looking at spending at least £50m.

I would be disgusted as an Everton fan if they went for any less than that.

The £28m bid is just bonkers.

TheTownie · 19-08-2013 12:38PM

I think Utd are really playing the transfer market poorly.

Say best case scenario Utd get Fellaini for £20M. Would you really risk not buying him when he had a clause just for the sake of £3.5M? If Utd had other targets then they should have been able to come to a decision on them one way or the other before the 31 July or whenever Fellaini's clause expired.

Nevermind the fact Utd will more than likely have to cough up more than his expired buyout clause now.

Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours - 2013/14

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