Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

shamrock55 · 18-08-2013 04:28PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

I would rate Allen above Cleverly, but thats just me, I really like Joe Allen as a player.

I'm still not sure what to do with Henderson.

Its gas how opinions differ as i think joe allen is muck as too is cleverly, henderson on the other hand i think has the potential to be a good player and he looks to be improving all the time to be fair

Nuri Sahin · 18-08-2013 04:30PM

Turtyturd · 18-08-2013 04:30PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I just wasted half an hour of a lovely Sunday afternoon reading this mornings shite on here...FML

***'t b* * w***n K*rrigo*ney.

Pedalstool · 18-08-2013 04:33PM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

I think we all spend wayyy too much time in this thread trying to manage the expectations/optimism/pessimism of fellow keyboard warriors which is daft really when you think about it. If I want to be optimistic about the season ahead I shouldn't be accused of being delusional any more then you should for being pessimistic.

Post of the Year.

Bray Header · 18-08-2013 04:33PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

30 plus million, yes, without doubt.

15m or so, not overly. In the context of more players leaving than being signed or the wage bill continuing to be reduced, no.

When we are spending 40/50/60m net, then it will be completely put to bed.

So you'd prefer LFC to spend 30 million on a player, rather than 15 million for the exact same player? Just to placate the net spend brigade.

Please, whatever you do, don't run a business.

I logged on here to check out the latest news - the place is becoming a horrible, horrible thread.

Pedalstool · 18-08-2013 04:34PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Its gas how opinions differ as i think joe allen is muck as too is cleverly, henderson on the other hand i think has the potential to be a good player and he looks to be improving all the time to be fair

I think the older I've gotten the more I realise that opinions are very much like Arse Holes, everyone has them and more often than not they stink.

shamrock55 · 18-08-2013 04:36PM

NukaCola wrote: »

paulegend = shamrock

Can you clarify please??

Raif Severance · 18-08-2013 04:37PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Ugh. Right, my post was simple, but I'll try add more milk. There's a difference between paying too much for a sought after Brazilian star, than Downing who nobody was in for. I made no suggestion of either being good or bad ways of doing business.

My response was to your "Have we learned nothing about over paying" and the point was that at least we would be overpaying for something we could use. As in there's at least somewhat of a difference, worthy of noting.

But the Bolded was not my Point.

My point was, if we can get him for a Lesser Fee, then I don't see anything Wrong with that.

I even posed you that Question, which you conveniently left out, when you Quoted me.

Raif Severance wrote: »

I don't think you get what Overpay is.

Sorry, but the Argument, is that getting Willian for 10M-15M means that there will still be Questions asked about the Owners and the Club.

I don't think there's anything wrong if we get the Player for a Lesser Fee, do you?

Paulegend · 18-08-2013 04:46PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Can you clarify please??

i assume it was in jest

billy2012 · 18-08-2013 04:48PM

Kerrigooney · 18-08-2013 04:49PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

***'t b* * w***n K*rrigo*ney.

Fights have broken out in here for far less than this terrible attack on me.

Pistols at dawn,you bounder.

tap28 · 18-08-2013 04:51PM

I love this place.

Not only do I get my fix of Liverpool news, opinion and gossip but I get educated in geography, maths and this afternoon english.

me fail english that's unpossible

gafferino · 18-08-2013 04:52PM

Defender Kolo Toure says the Liverpool players have had no difficulties welcoming Luis Suarez back into the fold.

The Uruguay international was barred from training with the first team after publicly stating Liverpool had refused to honour an agreement which would allow him to move to a UEFA Champions League club if they bid £40m.

Arsenal offered £40m + £1 for the hugely talented forward but Liverpool have remained steadfast in their determination to retain the player.

Their stance seems to have paid off because Suarez has now been re-integrated into the squad, although he missed Saturday's 1-0 home win over Stoke as he continues to serve a 10-game suspension.

And Toure, who made his debut for Liverpool in that game after joining from Manchester City, says Suarez's behaviour has not alienated his team-mates.

"It is nothing for us. We know football, it is big business. For a player like Suarez there is no problem, we love him. He can do anything!"
Kolo Toure
He said: "I think Suarez was defending himself and the club were defending what they wanted as well, because he is one of the best strikers in the world.

"For us, it is really important to keep him. What the club did, for me, is right, because we want to keep him.

Toure: We love Suarez

"You would never want one of your best players going to another team. We want him to stay because this is a big club.

"It is nothing for us. We know football, it is big business. For a player like Suarez there is no problem, we love him. He can do anything!

"He just resolved the problem with the manager and we want him to score our goals, that is what we are looking for.

"The manager sorted it out with him. He (Brendan Rodgers) was very clever, and Steven Gerrard as well. They worked on him (Suarez) and we are happy he is back training with us again. That is great."

Toure himself has already impressed his new employers.

Rodgers said: "Kolo introduced himself to the crowd when he jumped about seven foot five in the first couple of minutes of the game. It was a wonderful leap and I think you could see his energy and enthusiasm.

"When we lost Jamie Carragher last year, we were losing real experience, but Kolo comes in and offers that. He was excellent."

ThunbergsAreGo · 18-08-2013 04:57PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Allen and Henderson would get into the Utd team?

No, they would "get a sniff" as you stated

5starpool · 18-08-2013 05:05PM

I saw lots of posts in here and since I'm not looking at twitter or similar today I though "great we must have signed someone or something", but no it's just another round of paulegend vs the world.

Anyways, back to flicking between the hurling and the Chelsea.

Grayditch · 18-08-2013 05:07PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

But the Bolded was not my Point.

My point was, if we can get him for a Lesser Fee, then I don't see anything Wrong with that.

I even posed you that Question, which you conveniently left out, when you Quoted me.

Here goes.

Raif Severance wrote: »

Our Fans wants us to Overpay for Players?

You would have thought after the Crapton we've spent acquiring Duds like Carroll, Downing, etc. that they would be more appreciative of the Club, being more Smart about our Money. I guess not!

Those are two different things. I've seen teams pay well over the right price for a player, who still goes on to do a decent job. We over payed for players who were a huge risk and didn't work, as a lot of people predicted.

My point AGAIN is overpaying for a highly rated player isnt as bad as overpaying for a lad who had a good season in the championship and one who looked good in that Villa team.

I didn't answer your question because it was I presumed it was rhetorical, but here goes that too...

I don't think there's anything wrong if we get the Player for a Lesser Fee, do you?

Nope. Obviously. Dunno why I even have to answer that, that's not the exception I took to your post, it was the mentioning of Carroll and Downing as the outcome of overspending. Mine was that Willian would be a different overspending. We'd end up with a rated player.

Raif Severance · 18-08-2013 05:31PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Here goes.

Those are two different things. I've seen teams pay well over the right price for a player, who still goes on to do a decent job. We over payed for players who were a huge risk and didn't work, as a lot of people predicted.

My point AGAIN is overpaying for a highly rated player isnt as bad as overpaying for a lad who had a good season in the championship and one who looked good in that Villa team.

I didn't answer your question because it was I presumed it was rhetorical, but here goes that too...

Nope. Obviously. Dunno why I even have to answer that, that's not the exception I took to your post, it was the mentioning of Carroll and Downing as the outcome of overspending. Mine was that Willian would be a different overspending. We'd end up with a rated player.

Raif Severance wrote: »

Our Fans wants us to Overpay for Players?

You would have thought after the Crapton we've spent acquiring Duds like Carroll, Downing, etc. that they would be more appreciative of the Club, being more Smart about our Money. I guess not!

My Post above was in response to the Post below.

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

30 plus million, yes, without doubt.

15m or so, not overly. In the context of more players leaving than being signed or the wage bill continuing to be reduced, no.

When we are spending 40/50/60m net, then it will be completely put to bed.

I'm not against Overpaying to get a Rated Player. But if we can get him for less, then that's actually Better.

What I don't get are Fans not being Happy unless we Overpay.

Nuri Sahin · 18-08-2013 05:31PM

Ajax director Mark Overmars knows nothing about interest in Christian Eriksen and wants him to stay.

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Vicxas · 18-08-2013 05:36PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

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Oh not Eriksen rumours again

super_furry · 18-08-2013 05:38PM

Erikssen will end up going to Arsenal on deadline day just because they can't get anyone else.

jenno86 · 18-08-2013 05:40PM

Some of the muck talked in here today would drive ya to mass.

mike65 · 18-08-2013 05:43PM

So many chances, so few goals!

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Kerrigooney · 18-08-2013 05:55PM

super_furry wrote: »

Erikssen will end up going to Arsenal on deadline day just because they can't get anyone else.

I hope he joins them right now so we can stop talking about it and it can finally be put to bed.

Gbear · 18-08-2013 06:12PM

Was at the game. Brilliant atmosphere in the first half.

Decent performance. Great to start with a win.

Yay. Football is back.:)

rob316 · 18-08-2013 06:13PM

Eriksen fee agreed for the 200th time this summer.

Seriously though would there be any point in eriksen hes best where coutinho plays. Im all for strength in depth might be a bit over the top though.

Willian and a cb would do quite nicely.

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 06:42PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

I think the fee will be around the £30 million mark.

FSG have said that the club will be self sufficient, are we creating a £60 million surplus? I don't expect them to put their own cash in, thats not sustainable and in my view not the right approach.

In the medium to long term, I fully agree that we should be self sufficient. There isn't a reasonable argument to the contrary unless someone just wants to give us money. FFP seems to be a bir of a joke at the moment but I suspect the legislation will be made strong in time so there is an added incentive.

In the immediate short term though, I would desperately like the owners to front load some investment in players. With the right players, we could really push on over the next season or two.

So, to summarise, I am all for financial stability in the medium to long term but we can still have that while taking a risk or two in the short term.

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 06:43PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Depends also if you factor in the Coutinho and Sturridge fees into last year or this year's budget. Considering this time last year we wouldn't spend the couple of million extra for Dempsey, it looks to me like Rodgers got an advance of £20m from this summer's budget in January.

That said, considering the new TV deal, the sales out (Carroll, Downing, Shelvey), the moving on of high earners (Reina, Carragher), and the growth in sponsorship revenue, you'd expect a big kitty this summer.

Well Coutinho and Sturridge were bought last season so I will factor them in to last years budget.

Second point makes sense.

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 06:48PM

djPSB wrote: »

It doesn't matter diddly squat how much we spend really.

Once the deficiencies in the squad are adequately addressed.

Attacking options of Sturridge, Willian, Suarez, Coutinho, Aspas, Borini, Sterling, Ibe is probably our best attack in years.

Of course this all hinges on Willian actually signing.

You know what, you are right. My emphasis on 30m is probably a bit misleading. I mean it in the context of a top class player. If we signed Suarez mark 2 for 20m again, then I would be delighted.

It's ultimately the spirit of what we are trying to do is what is important to me. At the moment, we appear to be battening down the hatches and focusing on contracting the wage bill.

I am not advocating recklessness either mind you! I just believe that we can be improve faster all while getting our house in order.

See a previous post of mine regarding our focus possibly being overly concerned with attaching players. We do have a better forward line than we have had in a long time, even back to Rafa days, but where my real concerns are is that we may have a weaker back 4 and a weaker spine.

Raif Severance · 18-08-2013 06:49PM

Barca 6-0 up against Levante, in Half-Time.

That's without Iniesta or Neymar. Simply Ridiculous.

Devilman40k · 18-08-2013 06:53PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

Barca 6-0 up against Levante, in Half-Time.

That's without Iniesta or Neymar. Simply Ridiculous.

El Zhar playing for Levante too

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