Man documents his life/death before suicide

NaiveMelodies · 17-08-2013 10:30AM #1

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sports-writer-commits-suicide-leaves-website-explanation-article-1.1429286

http://www.zeroshare.info/

Has anyone come across this?

He claims to not have any mental illness, which is clearly not true.
Seemed like a very self absorbed man and was most definitely a coward.
I also think he's being extremely insulting to the elderly demographic too.
I'm also assuming someone found him, someone had to examine him, pack him up and put him in the morgue.(He shot himself)
Leaving phoney co-ordinates of where his old stash of coins may be, not funny.
I really hope this doesn't give anyone ideas that may lead to them killing themselves, but I fear that it will.

Can anyone see where he's coming from?

17-08-2013 10:34AM

I agree with everything you're saying.

A very dishonourable way to go, ironically for one who wanted to die 'while he was still on top'

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 17-08-2013 10:36AM

its his life and he made his choice, no problem with it

HondaSami · 17-08-2013 10:43AM

only1stevo wrote: »

Can anyone see where he's coming from?

He made the decision and he says he was not depressed or anything but still you have to wonder why he did not wait a few more years, i'm sure his family and friends will find it hard to believe there was not something troubling him.

If he was sick or something it would be easier to understand.

Son Of A Vidic · 17-08-2013 10:46AM

only1stevo wrote: »

I really hope this doesn't give anyone ideas that may lead to them killing themselves, but I fear that it will.

If you really do fear that this may give people ideas. Then why start a thread about it and thus give it the oxygen of publicity?

Fr_Dougal · 17-08-2013 10:47AM

HondaSami wrote: »

He made the decision and he says he was not depressed or anything but still you have to wonder why he did not wait a few more years, i'm sure his family and friends will find it hard to believe there was not something troubling him.

If he was sick or something it would be easier to understand.

It's all there:

I began seeing the problems that come with aging some time ago. I was sick of leaving the garage door open overnight. I was sick of forgetting to zip up when I put on my pants. I was sick of forgetting the names of my best friends. I was sick of going downstairs and having no idea why. I was sick of watching a movie, going to my account on IMDB to type up a review and realizing I've already seen it and, worse, already written a review! I was sick of having to dig through the trash to find an envelope that was sent to me so I could remember my own address - especially since I lived in the same place for the last nine years!

I know the older I got, the more I would use up my assets and by the time I died – if I live to the age of my dad before his death (83) - I would have very little-to-nothing to leave for others. I know plenty of people that could use the money now and that was a big motivator for me! I had never been left much money, but I could imagine how welcome it would be to get $10,000 (for example) that a person wasn’t expecting. That might make a huge difference in the lives of people who don’t have a lot - and I was aware of plenty of people I could help.

It’s also true that my life insurance was to expire in 2014 and if I live beyond it, I would not be able to afford or justify getting additional insurance. By dying (regardless of by what means) in 2013, I was able to leave that money to people I cared about. For me, money (beyond basic survival) was only of value to make somebody else’s life better!

Charlie Babbitt · 17-08-2013 10:49AM

only1stevo wrote: »

He claims to not have any mental illness..

Aye, but he also states:

Obviously, my obsession with eating cheap and only eating one meal a day and only drinking a couple different products is consistent with my overall abnormal and obsessive personality.

Sunglasses Ron · 17-08-2013 10:52AM

only1stevo wrote: »

Leaving phoney co-ordinates of where his old stash of coins may be, not funny.

:pac::pac:

He probably left a will and testament something like this

kraggy · 17-08-2013 10:52AM

" I did what I did because I was still on top at age 60, but lacked any confidence that I would be for much longer.”

At least his family and friends know why he did it. That gives closure, unlike those who do it out of the blue and leave no note.

NaiveMelodies · 17-08-2013 10:54AM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

If you really do fear that this may give people ideas. Then why start a thread about it and thus give it the oxygen of publicity?

I live in fear.

It's going to be a running story I would imagine, I'm hoping my posting of this thread leads to discussion, not giving the 100 odd people that might see this thread any ideas.

17-08-2013 11:02AM

Martin Manley wrote:

I was sick of having to dig through the trash to find an envelope that was sent to me so I could remember my own address - especially since I lived in the same place for the last nine years!

Sounds like possible early-onset dementia which, if I had it myself, makes this suicide quite understandable.

HondaSami · 17-08-2013 11:06AM

only1stevo wrote: »

I live in fear.

It's going to be a running story I would imagine, I'm hoping my posting of this thread leads to discussion, not giving the 100 odd people that might see this thread any ideas.

It's very interesting to read actually but some points are confusing but I plan on reading all of it, it's interesting to see suicide through the eyes of someone who planned it like this.
He said he was not depressed but reading some of it tells a different story imo

Great thread btw.

I also always recognized – perhaps more than the average person – how important happiness is. I just was never able to find it for more than brief periods in my life and so I almost never used the word “happy”... I guess because I identified it as an emotion. Instead I found myself using the word “satisfied” which is more of statement of fact – something that can be measured or quantified… like X=4 “satisfies” the equation of 2 + 2 = X.

Don’t misunderstand. I wasn’t miserable to the point of depression, but I’ve never known how to smell the roses the way many other people can. Besides, I really have had everything I could realistically want considering what I was willing to sacrifice in return - way more than I've needed. And so, being content with a minimal number of things was very easy for me.

Renegade Mechanic · 17-08-2013 11:06AM

To be honest Im gonna side with Jackie Brown on this one. If that were to happen to me, I dont think Id stick around either.

17-08-2013 11:08AM

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/martin-manley-suicide-website/

Martin Manley was tired of forgetting to close the garage door behind, to zip up his pants, and to remember the names of his best friends. He was a mathematical wizard with an IQ of 156. He was beginning to suffer from dementia, a neurologically crippling disease that detrimentally affects a person's memory, language, and problem-solving ability, among other things. It is incurable.

Yup, totally understandable.

Ghost Train · 17-08-2013 11:09AM

Strange and sad sort of story
Obsessive sort of behaviour might have been a factor in planning it out and going through with it, donation or organs etc shows it's not completely selfish. That it would influence other people... I don't why it should more than any other strange story, might even help one or two get help if they're in similar situation

NaiveMelodies · 17-08-2013 11:14AM

Ghost Train wrote: »

That it would influence other people... I don't why it should more than any other strange story, might even help one or two get help if they're in similar situation

Very good point, I probably took a more simplistic view initially.

PucaMama · 17-08-2013 11:18AM

only1stevo wrote: »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sports-writer-commits-suicide-leaves-website-explanation-article-1.1429286

http://www.zeroshare.info/

Has anyone come across this?

He claims to not have any mental illness, which is clearly not true.
Seemed like a very self absorbed man and was most definitely a coward.
I also think he's being extremely insulting to the elderly demographic too.
I'm also assuming someone found him, someone had to examine him, pack him up and put him in the morgue.(He shot himself)
Leaving phoney co-ordinates of where his old stash of coins may be, not funny.
I really hope this doesn't give anyone ideas that may lead to them killing themselves, but I fear that it will.

Can anyone see where he's coming from?

The man was not a coward!

HondaSami · 17-08-2013 11:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/martin-manley-suicide-website/

Yup, totally understandable.

The point of this is that with only a brother and sister, no children, no nieces or nephews, I will have been forgotten pretty fast unless I did something that was way outside the box. And, so would my parents have been forgotten. At least on this site, I also remembered them. As long as MartinManleyLifeAndDeath.com exists, so do their memories.

And, for that, I do not apologize.

But still he thought like this, lots of people get forgetful as they get older but not everyone thinks like he did, thankfully.
The more i read it the more i see the selfish side to suicide and i know that comment will not be popular.

wonderfullife · 17-08-2013 11:23AM

In 30 years from now how many sports writers names will we remember from this decade? Very few.

This guys name will stick out. He'll be remembered. It might only be in a vague hazy way "isn't that the guy who killed himself and hid the coins?" but it will be remembered.

None of us can comment with authority on his mental state and/or any mental illnesses but to a certain few people, fame (and infamy) are huge motivations in life and in death.

Seems to me like this guy was a ten-a-penny sports hack and saw this as his chance to go down in history.

Not cool.

bizmark · 17-08-2013 11:26AM

i wont remember him in 20 mins so i think his grand plan will fail and all he has done is hurt what remains of his family seems a very selfish person no family no ties no nothing dies for fame the sign of a life lived only for ones self.

Growing to more and more despise people like that tbh

Fukuyama · 17-08-2013 11:29AM

I'm only 21.

But if I ever find myself sliding towards being confined to a hospitable bed, I think I'd take a long walk off a short pier.

I've seen family members and other people live for a decade not knowing where they are, who they are and needing to be tended to by a nurse.

Fcuk that.

As soon as it gets to be a burden on your life and other, time to go.

There's a certain dignity in it.

Pensivepuca · 17-08-2013 11:34AM

I think he had some kind of illness, but I am an outsider so not on any authority. I know that depression can happen with people with early on set amnesia, like my grand father. It seems he had several things going on in his life. Maybe suicide can be selfish in some eyes - but people in that dark place see no way out.

Czarcasm · 17-08-2013 11:40AM

HondaSami wrote: »

But still he thought like this, lots of people get forgetful as they get older but not everyone thinks like he did, thankfully.
The more i read it the more i see the selfish side to suicide and i know that comment will not be popular.

HondaSami I would ask that you try not to care whether your opinion is popular or not, the most important fact is that at least it's your honest opinion.

It's true, not everyone thinks like he did, and by that same token, not everyone thinks the same way you do either. What you may see as selfish, other people may see it as an individual's choice to make- they don't want to stick around while their brain rots, especially when they're aware it's rotting, and as hard to understand as that may seem to some, to the particular individual in question, I hate to make a cliche of it but loss of control of their mental faculties really can for them feel like a fate worse than death.

It may not seem rational to a person who doesn't think this way, but to other people who actually understand where this person was coming from, his decision was perfectly rational. The decision would've been taken out of his hands were he to let nature take it's course, and all the treatment in the world isn't going to be any comfort or consolation to somebody who values their mind and their mental faculties above life itself-

To these people, losing their keys is one thing, but losing their mind? No. They cannot accept fate and losing control while they are still of a rational mind that they don't have to accept it.

highgiant1985 · 17-08-2013 11:43AM

It’s also true that my life insurance was to expire in 2014 and if I live beyond it, I would not be able to afford or justify getting additional insurance. By dying (regardless of by what means) in 2013, I was able to leave that money to people I cared about. For me, money (beyond basic survival) was only of value to make somebody else’s life better!

I think he might have shot himself in the foot here with his logic - Life insurance policies normally have a clause where they won't pay out if the person commits suicide....

Lemsiper · 17-08-2013 11:51AM

highgiant1985 wrote: »

I think he might have shot himself in the foot here with his logic - Life insurance policies normally have a clause where they won't pay out if the person commits suicide....

I think you'd have needed to see his policy before suggesting that.

Czarcasm · 17-08-2013 11:52AM

highgiant1985 wrote: »

I think he might have shot himself in the foot here with his logic - Life insurance policies normally have a clause where they won't pay out if the person commits suicide....

Not necessarily. In some life insurance policies, the suicide clause is only applicable for the first two years of the policy, and what's actually more common again is that the insurance company will refund the premiums paid into the policy to any beneficiaries if the person dies by suicide in the first two years.

take everything · 17-08-2013 11:55AM

The bit about his first two loves is worth reading.
They look very cute together.

He wrote really well.

Renegade Mechanic · 17-08-2013 12:35PM

Im struggling to see the selfish side to suicide- the ultimate price a person can be willing to pay to escape a problem, whatever it is, so severe that it makes suicide an option in the first place. He may have played a dick move with the coin hoax but look how many vultures swooped in and tore up the place? That aside I always feel sorry for anyone who pays that ultimate price. Its a route that people think is their only option of escape, and can never go back once they embark. Not something anyone does to say "ha ha f*ck you! What are you gonna do now?" nor is it something to do that they will be remembered for. Does anyone honestly believe they will be in a position to care what anyone will think of them? Im pretty sure they wont.

17-08-2013 12:42PM

Dean0088 wrote: »

I'm only 21.

But if I ever find myself sliding towards being confined to a hospitable bed, I think I'd take a long walk off a short pier.

I've seen family members and other people live for a decade not knowing where they are, who they are and needing to be tended to by a nurse.

Fcuk that.

As soon as it gets to be a burden on your life and other, time to go.

There's a certain dignity in it.

Gotta know when it's time too, even if "assisted suicide" was allowed it's not something I would want to leave in someone else's hands as I lost touch with things.

Czarcasm · 17-08-2013 01:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Gotta know when it's time too, even if "assisted suicide" was allowed it's not something I would want to leave in someone else's hands as I lost touch with things.

You're touching on something Button I'd have thought about a lot (I'm an advocate of assisted suicide) -

Should I ever find that due to mental illness or physical incapacity that the quality of my life has deteriorated to a point where it's no longer viable, I would like to be in a position where an independent health care professional would be able to carry out the terms of my living will without fear of prosecution by the state.

Ironically enough, I can't see such legislation ever being passed in this country in my lifetime.

Karl Stein · 17-08-2013 01:12PM

He sounds like an insufferable narcissist.

Man documents his life/death before suicide

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