Man documents his life/death before suicide

NaiveMelodies

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sports-writer-commits-suicide-leaves-website-explanation-article-1.1429286

http://www.zeroshare.info/

Has anyone come across this?

He claims to not have any mental illness, which is clearly not true.
Seemed like a very self absorbed man and was most definitely a coward.
I also think he's being extremely insulting to the elderly demographic too.
I'm also assuming someone found him, someone had to examine him, pack him up and put him in the morgue.(He shot himself)
Leaving phoney co-ordinates of where his old stash of coins may be, not funny.
I really hope this doesn't give anyone ideas that may lead to them killing themselves, but I fear that it will.

Can anyone see where he's coming from?

I agree with everything you're saying.

A very dishonourable way to go, ironically for one who wanted to die 'while he was still on top'

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

its his life and he made his choice, no problem with it

HondaSami

only1stevo wrote: »

Can anyone see where he's coming from?

He made the decision and he says he was not depressed or anything but still you have to wonder why he did not wait a few more years, i'm sure his family and friends will find it hard to believe there was not something troubling him.

If he was sick or something it would be easier to understand.

Son Of A Vidic

only1stevo wrote: »

I really hope this doesn't give anyone ideas that may lead to them killing themselves, but I fear that it will.

If you really do fear that this may give people ideas. Then why start a thread about it and thus give it the oxygen of publicity?

Fr_Dougal

HondaSami wrote: »

He made the decision and he says he was not depressed or anything but still you have to wonder why he did not wait a few more years, i'm sure his family and friends will find it hard to believe there was not something troubling him.

If he was sick or something it would be easier to understand.

It's all there:

I began seeing the problems that come with aging some time ago. I was sick of leaving the garage door open overnight. I was sick of forgetting to zip up when I put on my pants. I was sick of forgetting the names of my best friends. I was sick of going downstairs and having no idea why. I was sick of watching a movie, going to my account on IMDB to type up a review and realizing I've already seen it and, worse, already written a review! I was sick of having to dig through the trash to find an envelope that was sent to me so I could remember my own address - especially since I lived in the same place for the last nine years!

I know the older I got, the more I would use up my assets and by the time I died – if I live to the age of my dad before his death (83) - I would have very little-to-nothing to leave for others. I know plenty of people that could use the money now and that was a big motivator for me! I had never been left much money, but I could imagine how welcome it would be to get $10,000 (for example) that a person wasn’t expecting. That might make a huge difference in the lives of people who don’t have a lot - and I was aware of plenty of people I could help.



It’s also true that my life insurance was to expire in 2014 and if I live beyond it, I would not be able to afford or justify getting additional insurance. By dying (regardless of by what means) in 2013, I was able to leave that money to people I cared about. For me, money (beyond basic survival) was only of value to make somebody else’s life better!

Charlie Babbitt

only1stevo wrote: »

He claims to not have any mental illness..

Aye, but he also states:

Obviously, my obsession with eating cheap and only eating one meal a day and only drinking a couple different products is consistent with my overall abnormal and obsessive personality.

Sunglasses Ron

only1stevo wrote: »

Leaving phoney co-ordinates of where his old stash of coins may be, not funny.

:pac::pac:

He probably left a will and testament something like this

kraggy

" I did what I did because I was still on top at age 60, but lacked any confidence that I would be for much longer.”

At least his family and friends know why he did it. That gives closure, unlike those who do it out of the blue and leave no note.

NaiveMelodies

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

If you really do fear that this may give people ideas. Then why start a thread about it and thus give it the oxygen of publicity?

I live in fear.





It's going to be a running story I would imagine, I'm hoping my posting of this thread leads to discussion, not giving the 100 odd people that might see this thread any ideas.

Martin Manley

Martin Manley wrote:

I was sick of having to dig through the trash to find an envelope that was sent to me so I could remember my own address - especially since I lived in the same place for the last nine years!

Sounds like possible early-onset dementia which, if I had it myself, makes this suicide quite understandable.

HondaSami

only1stevo wrote: »

I live in fear.





It's going to be a running story I would imagine, I'm hoping my posting of this thread leads to discussion, not giving the 100 odd people that might see this thread any ideas.

It's very interesting to read actually but some points are confusing but I plan on reading all of it, it's interesting to see suicide through the eyes of someone who planned it like this.
He said he was not depressed but reading some of it tells a different story imo

Great thread btw.

I also always recognized – perhaps more than the average person – how important happiness is. I just was never able to find it for more than brief periods in my life and so I almost never used the word “happy”... I guess because I identified it as an emotion. Instead I found myself using the word “satisfied” which is more of statement of fact – something that can be measured or quantified… like X=4 “satisfies” the equation of 2 + 2 = X.



Don’t misunderstand. I wasn’t miserable to the point of depression, but I’ve never known how to smell the roses the way many other people can. Besides, I really have had everything I could realistically want considering what I was willing to sacrifice in return - way more than I've needed. And so, being content with a minimal number of things was very easy for me.

Renegade Mechanic

To be honest Im gonna side with Jackie Brown on this one. If that were to happen to me, I dont think Id stick around either.

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/martin-manley-suicide-website/

Martin Manley was tired of forgetting to close the garage door behind, to zip up his pants, and to remember the names of his best friends. He was a mathematical wizard with an IQ of 156. He was beginning to suffer from dementia, a neurologically crippling disease that detrimentally affects a person's memory, language, and problem-solving ability, among other things. It is incurable.

Yup, totally understandable.

Ghost Train

Strange and sad sort of story
Obsessive sort of behaviour might have been a factor in planning it out and going through with it, donation or organs etc shows it's not completely selfish. That it would influence other people... I don't why it should more than any other strange story, might even help one or two get help if they're in similar situation

NaiveMelodies

Ghost Train wrote: »

That it would influence other people... I don't why it should more than any other strange story, might even help one or two get help if they're in similar situation

Very good point, I probably took a more simplistic view initially.

PucaMama

only1stevo wrote: »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sports-writer-commits-suicide-leaves-website-explanation-article-1.1429286

http://www.zeroshare.info/

Has anyone come across this?

He claims to not have any mental illness, which is clearly not true.
Seemed like a very self absorbed man and was most definitely a coward.
I also think he's being extremely insulting to the elderly demographic too.
I'm also assuming someone found him, someone had to examine him, pack him up and put him in the morgue.(He shot himself)
Leaving phoney co-ordinates of where his old stash of coins may be, not funny.
I really hope this doesn't give anyone ideas that may lead to them killing themselves, but I fear that it will.

Can anyone see where he's coming from?

The man was not a coward!

HondaSami

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/martin-manley-suicide-website/



Yup, totally understandable.

The point of this is that with only a brother and sister, no children, no nieces or nephews, I will have been forgotten pretty fast unless I did something that was way outside the box. And, so would my parents have been forgotten. At least on this site, I also remembered them. As long as MartinManleyLifeAndDeath.com exists, so do their memories.



And, for that, I do not apologize.

But still he thought like this, lots of people get forgetful as they get older but not everyone thinks like he did, thankfully.
The more i read it the more i see the selfish side to suicide and i know that comment will not be popular.

wonderfullife

In 30 years from now how many sports writers names will we remember from this decade? Very few.

This guys name will stick out. He'll be remembered. It might only be in a vague hazy way "isn't that the guy who killed himself and hid the coins?" but it will be remembered.

None of us can comment with authority on his mental state and/or any mental illnesses but to a certain few people, fame (and infamy) are huge motivations in life and in death.

Seems to me like this guy was a ten-a-penny sports hack and saw this as his chance to go down in history.

Not cool.

bizmark

i wont remember him in 20 mins so i think his grand plan will fail and all he has done is hurt what remains of his family seems a very selfish person no family no ties no nothing dies for fame the sign of a life lived only for ones self.

Growing to more and more despise people like that tbh

Fukuyama

I'm only 21.

But if I ever find myself sliding towards being confined to a hospitable bed, I think I'd take a long walk off a short pier.

I've seen family members and other people live for a decade not knowing where they are, who they are and needing to be tended to by a nurse.

Fcuk that.

As soon as it gets to be a burden on your life and other, time to go.

There's a certain dignity in it.

Pensivepuca

I think he had some kind of illness, but I am an outsider so not on any authority. I know that depression can happen with people with early on set amnesia, like my grand father. It seems he had several things going on in his life. Maybe suicide can be selfish in some eyes - but people in that dark place see no way out.

Czarcasm

HondaSami wrote: »

But still he thought like this, lots of people get forgetful as they get older but not everyone thinks like he did, thankfully.
The more i read it the more i see the selfish side to suicide and i know that comment will not be popular.

HondaSami I would ask that you try not to care whether your opinion is popular or not, the most important fact is that at least it's your honest opinion.

It's true, not everyone thinks like he did, and by that same token, not everyone thinks the same way you do either. What you may see as selfish, other people may see it as an individual's choice to make- they don't want to stick around while their brain rots, especially when they're aware it's rotting, and as hard to understand as that may seem to some, to the particular individual in question, I hate to make a cliche of it but loss of control of their mental faculties really can for them feel like a fate worse than death.

It may not seem rational to a person who doesn't think this way, but to other people who actually understand where this person was coming from, his decision was perfectly rational. The decision would've been taken out of his hands were he to let nature take it's course, and all the treatment in the world isn't going to be any comfort or consolation to somebody who values their mind and their mental faculties above life itself-

To these people, losing their keys is one thing, but losing their mind? No. They cannot accept fate and losing control while they are still of a rational mind that they don't have to accept it.

highgiant1985

It’s also true that my life insurance was to expire in 2014 and if I live beyond it, I would not be able to afford or justify getting additional insurance. By dying (regardless of by what means) in 2013, I was able to leave that money to people I cared about. For me, money (beyond basic survival) was only of value to make somebody else’s life better!

I think he might have shot himself in the foot here with his logic - Life insurance policies normally have a clause where they won't pay out if the person commits suicide....

Lemsiper

highgiant1985 wrote: »

I think he might have shot himself in the foot here with his logic - Life insurance policies normally have a clause where they won't pay out if the person commits suicide....

I think you'd have needed to see his policy before suggesting that.

Czarcasm

highgiant1985 wrote: »

I think he might have shot himself in the foot here with his logic - Life insurance policies normally have a clause where they won't pay out if the person commits suicide....

Not necessarily. In some life insurance policies, the suicide clause is only applicable for the first two years of the policy, and what's actually more common again is that the insurance company will refund the premiums paid into the policy to any beneficiaries if the person dies by suicide in the first two years.

take everything

The bit about his first two loves is worth reading.
They look very cute together.
He wrote really well.

Renegade Mechanic

Im struggling to see the selfish side to suicide- the ultimate price a person can be willing to pay to escape a problem, whatever it is, so severe that it makes suicide an option in the first place. He may have played a dick move with the coin hoax but look how many vultures swooped in and tore up the place? That aside I always feel sorry for anyone who pays that ultimate price. Its a route that people think is their only option of escape, and can never go back once they embark. Not something anyone does to say "ha ha f*ck you! What are you gonna do now?" nor is it something to do that they will be remembered for. Does anyone honestly believe they will be in a position to care what anyone will think of them? Im pretty sure they wont.

Dean0088

Dean0088 wrote: »

I'm only 21.

But if I ever find myself sliding towards being confined to a hospitable bed, I think I'd take a long walk off a short pier.

I've seen family members and other people live for a decade not knowing where they are, who they are and needing to be tended to by a nurse.

Fcuk that.

As soon as it gets to be a burden on your life and other, time to go.

There's a certain dignity in it.

Gotta know when it's time too, even if "assisted suicide" was allowed it's not something I would want to leave in someone else's hands as I lost touch with things.

Czarcasm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Gotta know when it's time too, even if "assisted suicide" was allowed it's not something I would want to leave in someone else's hands as I lost touch with things.

You're touching on something Button I'd have thought about a lot (I'm an advocate of assisted suicide) -

Should I ever find that due to mental illness or physical incapacity that the quality of my life has deteriorated to a point where it's no longer viable, I would like to be in a position where an independent health care professional would be able to carry out the terms of my living will without fear of prosecution by the state.

Ironically enough, I can't see such legislation ever being passed in this country in my lifetime.

Karl Stein

He sounds like an insufferable narcissist.

Renegade Mechanic

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

He sounds like an insufferable narcissist.

Its ok. You can rest easy in the knowledge that no one need suffer him any more.

kiffer

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Im stuggling to see the selfish side to suicide- the ultimate price a person can be willing to pay to escape a problem, whatever it is, so severe that it makes suicide an option in the first place. He may have played a dick move with the coin hoax but look how many vultures swooped in and tore up the place? That aside I always feel sorry for anyone who pays that ultimate price. Its a route that people think is their only option of escape, and can never go back once they embark. Not something anyone does to say "ha ha f*ck you! What are you gonna do now?" nor is it something to do that they will be remembered for. Does anyone honestly believe they will be in a position to care what anyone will think of them? Im pretty sure they wont.

It's my understanding that the people who think it's selfish believe humans should endure any and all pain and distress forever so as to spare our loved one's the pain of our passing as longs as possible.
To them it is better that the terminally ill die vomiting and shıtting themselves in a hospital bed 6 months later by natural causes and having cost everyone a lot of time heartache and money then dieing by their own hand 6 months earlier.

As for people not suffering from a terminal illness or decline into pants soiling dependent on 24/7 care that kill themselves... so people with chronic depression for exanple, their thought processes have become so fųcked up that they think dieing is the solution... and a fair amount of mental effort goes into rationalising the idea that "everyone would be better off if I was *gone*"...

Czarcasm

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

He sounds like an insufferable narcissist.

A narcissist Cathal wouldn't have cared about the possible consequences of their actions, nor the effect their actions would have on other people. If you read the letter/website/articles, his logic of course may seem a tad unusual, but there are people that will understand his motivation.

The hoax isn't as off the wall as it seems either. I can remember reading a story as a child (I can't remember was it one of Aesop's classics or where I read it, can't even remember enough to dig up a link ), but the basic premise of it was a father that owned an orchard, but had three lazy sons, and when his will was read out after he died, he made mention of the fact that he had hidden buried treasure in the orchard.

The three sons they sweated hard and dug every inch of that orchard looking for the treasure. There was none to be found. They cursed their father out of it.

A few months later come harvest time, the sons noticed that the tree branches were touching the ground such was the burden of fruit on them. The sons suddenly copped what the father meant, picked the fruit, and sold it down the market making themselves a tidy sum.


Manley "buried his fortune" in an Arboretum

princess-lala

Jeez 14 months of planning! :eek:

Ace Attorney

The man was deteriorating, he didnt want to be a burden on family members when he got to the final stages of dementia, he wanted to preserve his dignity and save his family what he thought would be troublesome experience for them, the poor guy, you cant help but feel for him

princess-lala

I feel sorry for him but can 100% see where he's coming from!

Like he put so much time and effort into dying his way and exactly the way he wanted to!

My nanny passed away in January after a long illness but in her last eight weeks we were all there every day! She asked each of us to either give her an overdose or smother her! I really felt for her that she wanted to die and just couldn't!

Renegade Mechanic

Agreed with Czarcasm.
In fact I think suicide is about the last thing a bonefied narcissist would do. Isnt Narcissism a disorder whereby a person lies and bigs himself up, often at heavy expense to others, to look important or like theyre on some big mission? They crave the adoration and respect of others and I doubt being dead is the best way to see people "adoring and respecting" you, so I dont think he was a narcissist.

shopaholic01

highgiant1985 wrote: »

I think he might have shot himself in the foot here with his logic - Life insurance policies normally have a clause where they won't pay out if the person commits suicide....

He states it cover his 'dying by any means'. A lot of policies will cover suicide once you have the policy for a defined period of time.

1ZRed

I ****ing despise how people calling those who commit suicide selfish and cowardly. It only goes to show up their ignorance about the issue and the causes/reasoning behind it.

If he was beginning to enter dementia I understand his reasoning completely and I would do the same. I don't see the appeal of getting old myself, I would always rather go out on a high than descend into an illness or just become crippled and more dependant the older I got.
That's not being mentally ill, that's justifying my reasons, and it is justified and rational to me and how I'd want to escape all that before it happened. To me, growing old just isn't worth it.

I like my quality of life, I don't want old age to rob that off me, so if I was told I'd live to 90 in poor health, I'd rather not do it to be perfectly honest.

nacho libre

was his motivation in documenting the last 14 months of life to stimulate discussion on assisted suicide or was it possibly to win the admiration of others?
if it was the latter, then he might have thought people reading his notes would see him as a kind of noble hero for going out on his own terms and for not being a burden to others. if this was his thought process then it's sill possible he was a narcissist

princess-lala

His website only went live the day he died am I right?

dd972

only1stevo wrote: »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sports-writer-commits-suicide-leaves-website-explanation-article-1.1429286

http://www.zeroshare.info/

Has anyone come across this?

He claims to not have any mental illness, which is clearly not true.
Seemed like a very self absorbed man and was most definitely a coward.
I also think he's being extremely insulting to the elderly demographic too.
I'm also assuming someone found him, someone had to examine him, pack him up and put him in the morgue.(He shot himself)
Leaving phoney co-ordinates of where his old stash of coins may be, not funny.
I really hope this doesn't give anyone ideas that may lead to them killing themselves, but I fear that it will.

Can anyone see where he's coming from?

I wouldn't be judgemental about calling someone doing this a 'coward',.

Karl Stein

Okay I wasn't going to click on his website but I think I had to try to justify what I said. I had a look at his website and frankly I couldn't be arsed going through the whole thing as I don't actually care what he has to say about reams of random **** - except for the suicide bit.

So, if you want to understand everything I have to say about my death - simply read the first 12 categories on the list to the left - especially Suicide Preface. If you want to know what I have to say about my life,

So I had a look at the Suicide Preface and this is what I took from it:

Let me ask you a question. After you die, you can be remembered by a few-line obituary for one day in a newspaper when you're too old to matter to anyone anyway... OR you can be remembered for years by a site such as this. That was my choice and I chose the obvious.

Em.. not all of us want to be famous in death. Most people slip away without a fuss even when they do take their own lives. I'm reminded of the quote attributed to a suffering explorer who 'expedites' his death in Antarctica:

"I am just going outside and may be some time."

No fuss, no bull****. Out the gap.

You will rarely get any details for why a person committed suicide, but that won't be the case with me! In fact, this may be the most detailed example of a suicide letter in history - something to be entered into the Guinness Book of Records! My hope is that it is.

Yay! I mean, okay... that's pretty bizarre and seems like little more than serious attention seeking.

I’ve planned to end my own life for as long as I remember ... I had no health issues.

Why are people talking about dementia when he's admitted this?

I decided I didn't have the luxury of caring what anyone else thought – which is more or less my recipe in life anyway.

Nice.

Now I regret clicking on the site and actually giving it oxygen.

I said 'he sounds like an insufferable narcissist' in my first post. 'Narcissist' may technically be the wrong word but I don't think I was too far off the mark with my sentiment.

Renegade Mechanic

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

Why are people talking about dementia when he's admitted this?

Because he was. It was in the ream of ****e you werent bothered reading.

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

No fuss, no bull****. Out the gap.

Yes.. Its always nice when people who commit suicide, do so quietly and without a fuss. Very considerate..
I dont get this "attention seeking bit though, the man is beyond life so he will never see "his work". Why even go to the effort?

Czarcasm

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

Okay I wasn't going to click on his website but I think I had to try to justify what I said. I had a look at his website and frankly I couldn't be arsed going through the whole thing as I don't actually care what he has to say about reams of random **** - except for the suicide bit.

Cathal I'd like to address some of your points if I may (I'm not going to get too heavily invested in this thread either tbh as I have no interest in "winning an argument on the internet" so to speak).

So I had a look at the Suicide Preface and this is what I took from it:


Em.. not all of us want to be famous in death. Most people slip away without a fuss even when they do take their own lives. I'm reminded of the quote attributed to a suffering explorer who 'expedites' his death in Antarctica:

"I am just going outside and may be some time."

No fuss, no bull****. Out the gap.

Your idea is the way I shall be going myself when I decide I want to leave. I don't feel I owe humanity any explanation for my actions. Only those who need to know will know. We'll obviously read the same thing differently, but Manley wanted to drive discussion around the issue of voluntary suicide (key word there is voluntary, as opposed to involuntary when suffering from a compromised mental state caused by mental illness). His philosophy is ego-centric rather than narcissistic. A narcissist would only care about the consequences of their actions for themselves. They wouldn't even ask you a question.

Yay! I mean, okay... that's pretty bizarre and seems like little more than serious attention seeking.

His hope being that voluntary suicide would eventually become normal in society, of course it's a bizarre ideology, and again it's ego-centric, but like Oates, Manley too over-estimates people's ability to give a shìt. Five minutes from now people won't give a shìt, but at least unlike Oates, Manley hasn't been a burden to anyone for the last six months. It's also worth noting however that without Scott's recording of Oates' courage in his diaries, the world would never have known of Captain Lawrence Oates.

The closest to Scott's logs we have nowadays in a five minute attention span society, is the Internet and the Guinness Book of Records. That says more about society than it does about Manley tbh.

Why are people talking about dementia when he's admitted this?

Without wanting this thread to descend into the macabre, I often give consideration to how I will go when I decide to die. Depending on the circumstances, Plan A and backup Plan B just aren't going to cut it. You need a plan C, D, E, etc, because if you let nature take it's course, nature has a woeful habit of taking it's own sweet ass time about these things, and doesn't particularly care that every subsequent day either your brain is rotting, or your body is rotting. They're already decaying once you reach adulthood, but nature doesn't suffer humanity's qualms about cruelty.

Nice.

He barely had control over his own thought processes once dementia was setting in, he recognised this, so of course he would consider it a luxury to have been able to consider the thoughts of others. Thinking of other people besides ourselves, contrary to popular opinion, isn't actually something that comes naturally. There's nothing wrong with being selfish either. It's just the degree to which you are selfish that matters.

Now I regret clicking on the site and actually giving it oxygen.

Cathal you had an expectation of the site's contents. Nobody forced you to look at it, you had control over that that choice, unlike a person suffering from dementia whose control over their choices is slowly eroded away every waking moment, until they are left at the mercy of, and dependent on, other people who will choose whether or not they want to make that person's choices for them.

I said 'he sounds like an insufferable narcissist' in my first post. 'Narcissist' may technically be the wrong word but I don't think I was too far off the mark with my sentiment.

A narcissist's thought processes would be more akin to "They'll miss me when I'm gone. That'll learn them, should've been nicer to me when I was alive". Actually I don't know if you're familiar with the story of Dorian Gray, but if you're looking for an example of an amoral, insufferable narcissist, well, he fits the bill quite nicely, no redeeming qualities whatsoever, but an interesting read all the same.


Your cynicism is understandable by the way, I would imagine voluntary suicide isn't everyone's fathomable cup of earl grey so to speak.

UCDVet

How can anyone consider themselves 'free' if they are not allowed to make the absolute, most fundamental, choice imaginable. To continue living.

I absolutely, 100%, support suicide as an option. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with this.

Karl Stein

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Because he was. It was in the ream of ****e you werent bothered reading.

Yeah, why the **** should I be interested in the reams of ****e he's decided people will be interested in reading? 'OMG I'm 60. 9/11. Religious stuff.'

This is only evidence of his own exaggerated sense of self-importance imho.

Anyway, it's all pretty moot as per below.

Deceased:

I’ve planned to end my own life for as long as I remember ... I had no health issues.

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Yes.. Its always nice when people who commit suicide, do so quietly and without a fuss. Very considerate..

How nice of you to put words in my mouth. Stop it. The vast majority of people who commit suicide are deeply troubled and must be suffering enormously. I don't believe they're 'selfish' or inconsiderate like some people do. Also, afaia most people who leave a message do so to apologise to those they've left behind (pretty horrible that they leave life apologising).

Most people 'exit the stage' quietly whether they die naturally or by taking their lives. This guy carefully planned, it seems, to get as much publicity as possible - that is not normal.

I dont get this "attention seeking bit though, the man is beyond life so he will never see "his work". Why even go to the effort?

No you certainly don't. I draw your attention to this again.

You will rarely get any details for why a person committed suicide, but that won't be the case with me! In fact, this may be the most detailed example of a suicide letter in history - something to be entered into the Guinness Book of Records! My hope is that it is.

What else is this but seeking posthumous publicity seeking?

Btw, I support people's right to euthanasia (not a blanket right like extending it to an 18-yr-old who just broke up with his/her BF/GF of three weeks)

Czarcasm

UCDVet wrote: »

How can anyone consider themselves 'free' if they are not allowed to make the absolute, most fundamental, choice imaginable. To continue living.

I absolutely, 100%, support suicide as an option. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with this.

No disrespect meant UCD but you'd want to be fairly dim if you couldn't understand why anyone would have a problem with supporting suicide.

I really hope your username isn't short for UCD Veteran, or we all might as well just leave this planet now if that's the standard of intellect on display despite a quality third level education at one of the top educational institutions in Ireland.

That Geraldine one from the apprentice may not have been as dumb as she came across on tv either when she quipped "Daddy can't buy you cop on in Trinity College". It seems it's not to be bought in UCD either.

Karl Stein

UCDVet wrote: »

I absolutely, 100%, support suicide as an option.

Suicide on demand is it? Think it through.

Czarcasm

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

Suicide on demand is it? Think it through.

We're a long way from Futurama style suicide booths yet Cathal.