Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 10:05PM

cdebru wrote: »

Did you ever work for Anglo ? Your ability to pluck figures from the nether regions is uncanny.

Drivers basic pay is 38,500 including shift allowance, which nets to about 28,000 after tax prsi usc etc, before anyone jumps up and down that is still too much, for most it is less than they could get on social welfare with rent allowance.

Me hole!
firstly they wouldnt getb rent allowance for the first year under new regs, secobly they would need to have some amount of kids to get anything like that on SW.

JRant · 16-08-2013 10:58PM

cdebru wrote: »

Did you ever work for Anglo ? Your ability to pluck figures from the nether regions is uncanny.

Drivers basic pay is 38,500 including shift allowance, which nets to about 28,000 after tax prsi usc etc, before anyone jumps up and down that is still too much, for most it is less than they could get on social welfare with rent allowance.

Well quit driving a bus and become a professional artist, drawing the labour every week. Seriously, if you're so hard done by on the buses step aside and let someone who wants the job do it.

cdebru · 17-08-2013 01:23AM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Me hole!
firstly they wouldnt getb rent allowance for the first year under new regs, secobly they would need to have some amount of kids to get anything like that on SW.

adult 188
adult dependent 124
child dependent 29.80

rent allowance upto 1000 a month

husband wife 2 kids =372 a week+ 250 pw rent allowance 612 euro a week that is 31,824 a year.

DB driver take home pay 28k or about 540 per week.

dotsman · 17-08-2013 02:04AM

cdebru wrote: »

adult 188
adult dependent 124
child dependent 29.80

rent allowance upto 1000 a month

husband wife 2 kids =372 a week+ 250 pw rent allowance 612 euro a week that is 31,824 a year.

DB driver take home pay 28k or about 540 per week.

Is that not a sad reflection on our welfare system as opposed to DB workers being underpaid?

Also, do you have any source for a DB driver taking home 28K? I know a lot of figures have been thrown around on this thread, but has anybody linked to a reliable source?

Le_Dieux · 17-08-2013 06:26AM

cdebru wrote: »

Did you ever work for Anglo ? Your ability to pluck figures from the nether regions is uncanny.

Drivers basic pay is 38,500 including shift allowance, which nets to about 28,000 after tax prsi usc etc, before anyone jumps up and down that is still too much, for most it is less than they could get on social welfare with rent allowance.

Are You joking here? Where are You getting your sources from?

Drumpot · 17-08-2013 08:01AM

The poll options are horrendous,particularly the no option which was strategically written for people to not vote or vote yes. I would hazard a guess that this thread was written by somebody looking to get a yes vote in support of the drivers. Glad to see boardies haven't fallen for this tactic.

An independent body feels the changes are warranted. It boils down to people looking for their company to subsidise their income in an unsustainable market. It's not nice, but its life. Suck it up and get on with it like everybody else!

Sunnyisland · 17-08-2013 08:06AM

Drumpot wrote: »

The poll options are horrendous,particularly the no option which was strategically written for people to not vote or vote yes. I would hazard a guess that this thread was written by somebody looking to get a yes vote in support of the drivers. Glad to see boardies haven't fallen for this tactic.

An independent body feels the changes are warranted. It boils down to people looking for their company to subsidise their income in an unsustainable market. It's not nice, but its life. Suck it up and get on with it like everybody else!

Maybe you should have hazard a look at the op first post, The op is totally against the drivers as is the majority of posters in this thread.

Drumpot · 17-08-2013 08:13AM

realies wrote: »

Maybe you should have hazard a look at the op first post, The op is totally against the drivers as is the majority of posters in this thread.

Adds more credibility to their position. In topics like this if you want boardies to agree with you, you rant against the thing you agree with and people will default to the opposite view.

Classic reversal of psychology.

Hilly Bill · 17-08-2013 08:48AM

Hootanany wrote: »

You do understand that Bus fares are expensive so these wages can be paid.

They are far from expensive.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-08-2013 09:15AM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

They are far from expensive.

Oh they are when you take in the to account the huge amounts of subsidies paid to CIE so these lazy shower can keep their lavish lifestyle.

Hootanany · 17-08-2013 09:40AM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

They are far from expensive.

I live within a twenty minute walk into the City centre €1.65 on the Bus:eek:

Should be 50c and more people would use DB?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-08-2013 09:43AM

Hootanany wrote: »

I live within a twenty minute walk into the City centre €1.65 on the Bus:eek:

Should be 50c and more people would use DB?

With the taxpayer paying an even heftier subsidy! feck that.

Patrick2010 · 17-08-2013 09:54AM

cdebru wrote: »

adult 188
adult dependent 124
child dependent 29.80

rent allowance upto 1000 a month

husband wife 2 kids =372 a week+ 250 pw rent allowance 612 euro a week that is 31,824 a year.

DB driver take home pay 28k or about 540 per week.

Why is it always assumed that people on social welfare are living in rented accommodation and getting the maximum rent allowance?. Loads are having to pay off a mortgage.
Take that 12k off and that bus driver would be down to 19k. If he was paying a mortgage you can be pretty sure he'd love to have the extra 9k a year.
There are loads of people in he private sector earning far less than 38k who know they'd be out the door if they decided to strike.

Hilly Bill · 17-08-2013 10:50AM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Oh they are when you take in the to account the huge amounts of subsidies paid to CIE so these lazy shower can keep their lavish lifestyle.

They will always be expensive if you want things for next to nothing.

Hilly Bill · 17-08-2013 10:53AM

Hootanany wrote: »

I live within a twenty minute walk into the City centre €1.65 on the Bus:eek:

Should be 50c and more people would use DB?

If its only a 20 minute walk then why get the bus?

50c?????

€1.65 is cheap enough to be honest.

Gatling · 17-08-2013 10:58AM

I feel sorry for some of the maintaince lads and girls that got shafted on there redundancy in the last 12 -18 months
A couple of them were offered redundancy and accepted the package offered 12 months later a lot of them haven't been made redundant due to the funds are no longer available for there package's,

Personally I think the fares are OK the lack of inspector's is a complete joke in the last 7 years I've seen 1 inspector in my 2 regular routes

Friend Computer · 17-08-2013 11:37AM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Oh they are when you take in the to account the huge amounts of subsidies paid to CIE so these lazy shower can keep their lavish lifestyle.

Er, isn't that to cover the cost of servicing unprofitable--yet still necessary--routes?

Jester252 · 17-08-2013 11:49AM

So that the second labor court recommendation that they refused. Now it time to have a no show no job policy on Dublin bus workers.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-08-2013 11:50AM

Friend Computer wrote: »

Er, isn't that to cover the cost of servicing unprofitable--yet still necessary--routes?

No.
It is to continue to overpay and over-perk the staff.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-08-2013 11:52AM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

They will always be expensive if you want things for next to nothing.

I dont want to pay twice once on the bus and again in my taxes just to keep some greedy semi-state layabouts nose in the trough.

devnull · 17-08-2013 11:58AM

Friend Computer wrote: »

Er, isn't that to cover the cost of servicing unprofitable--yet still necessary--routes?

And tell me, what is the biggest cost in operating those routes?

Wages.

Canard · 17-08-2013 12:10PM

Haha, Dublin Bus not expensive. A 30 day student ticket is €91.50. I've seen extremely efficient public transport in other countries (not that DB is that bad, but relatively speaking) for a fraction of that ridiculous price and it baffles me how they need that much money.

cdebru · 17-08-2013 01:54PM

Canard wrote: »

Haha, Dublin Bus not expensive. A 30 day student ticket is €91.50. I've seen extremely efficient public transport in other countries (not that DB is that bad, but relatively speaking) for a fraction of that ridiculous price and it baffles me how they need that much money.

Because they have one of the lowest subvention rates in Europe, if the government doesn't want to pay for it then passengers have to, especially when you take into consideration the state has given free travel to a third of the adult population, and again refused to pay for it, so you pay for it.

That said, 91.50 for 30 days is just over 3euro a day for unlimited travel, which is a pretty fair price.

cdebru · 17-08-2013 01:57PM

devnull wrote: »

And tell me, what is the biggest cost in operating those routes?

Wages.

Wages are, always going to be the largest cost, that is true for virtually any service industry, that does not mean the wages are excessive, even if you halved the wages they would still be the largest cost.
That is just a bull**** statistic that means nothing.

cdebru · 17-08-2013 01:58PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

No.
It is to continue to overpay and over-perk the staff.

Who is overpaid, how can less than they would be paid for not working be overpaid ???

Patrick2010 · 17-08-2013 02:13PM

cdebru wrote: »

Who is overpaid, how can less than they would be paid for not working be overpaid ???

Well if thats true then its obviously better for them to stop working if they'll take home more money, surely a no-brainer??

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-08-2013 02:15PM

cdebru wrote: »

Who is overpaid, how can less than they would be paid for not working be overpaid ???

They are grossly overpaid, the fact that you rely on ficticious SW rates makes no difference.
Anyway I hope they do strike, because then they will find out how little they will actually get when deregulation happens and they have no jobs and no hope of getting a job becuase they are deemed unemployable due to their selfish actions.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-08-2013 02:17PM

cdebru wrote: »

Because they have one of the lowest subvention rates in Europe, if the government doesn't want to pay for it then passengers have to, especially when you take into consideration the state has given free travel to a third of the adult population, and again refused to pay for it, so you pay for it.

That said, 91.50 for 30 days is just over 3euro a day for unlimited travel, which is a pretty fair price.

That figure is not correct.
How many people have free tracel as a result of being employed by CIE, formerly employed by CIE, being the spouse of an employee or former emplyee of CIE?

IvySlayer · 17-08-2013 02:23PM

I hope the Government steps in now and side with the cuts.

This is going to happen whether you like it or not, now STFU and stop threatening to strike.

Hootanany · 17-08-2013 02:46PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

If its only a 20 minute walk then why get the bus?

50c?????

€1.65 is cheap enough to be honest.

No it's not its a rp off less than a 5 minute journey.

Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

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