Ryanair Whistle Blowing Pilot Sacked

Shamrock231 · 14-08-2013 11:40PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0814/468241-ryanair-john-goss/

The pilot from the Channel 4 documentary on Monday who blew the whistle on the apparent intimidation/fear culture among pilots and management in Ryanair has today been sacked from the company.

Hope he takes them to court over it.

wazky · 14-08-2013 11:41PM

I'm not surprised!

He must have deafened his passengers.

endacl · 14-08-2013 11:43PM

wazky wrote: »

I'm not surprised!

He must have deafened his passengers.

You're thinking of the pilot who plays the bugle when they land. Different chap.

DebDynamite · 14-08-2013 11:43PM

Sadly, no surprise. I said it myself while watching it he'd be fired.

Hope he has a good case and sues them.

Frosty McSnowballs · 14-08-2013 11:44PM

It's terrible the way Ryanair charges the pilots for a seat on the plane.

endacl · 14-08-2013 11:45PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Hope he has a good case and sues them.

It'll have to fit in that 'cage' yokey 'without being forced'.

Should be OK if he uses a Ryanair case though.

Shamrock231 · 14-08-2013 11:45PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

It's terrible the way Ryanair charges the pilots for a seat on the plane.

€28,000 to work for them and €8,000 to leave? What was that again about €10 across the Atlantic? :rolleyes::pac::eek:

Banjo String · 14-08-2013 11:46PM

What did the Ryanair pilot and the short sighted circumcisor have in common?

They both got the sack.

The Backwards Man · 14-08-2013 11:46PM

Proper order I say. If someone criticised my business and then had the audacity to still want to work for me they could go take a long **** to themselves.

endacl · 14-08-2013 11:47PM

Shamrock231 wrote: »

€28,000 to work for them and €8,000 to leave? What was that again about €10 across the Atlantic? :rolleyes::pac::eek:

Those pilots would be better off driving a bus-without-wings in Dublin. When you think of the cost they had to pay for their training.

Shamrock231 · 14-08-2013 11:48PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Proper order I say. If someone criticised my business and then had the audacity to still want to work for me they could go take a long **** to themselves.

So all whistle blowers should get the sack? Now lets apply that to the banking crisis eh?

endacl · 14-08-2013 11:48PM

SamHall wrote: »

What did the Ryanair pilot and the short sighted circumcisor have in common?

They both got the sack.

Why can't circumcised people sit on the board of Ryanair?

You have to be a complete prick.

wazky · 14-08-2013 11:49PM

endacl wrote: »

Why can't circumcised people sit on the board of Ryanair?

Michael O'Leary is a big enough knobhead without adding to it.

Scortho · 14-08-2013 11:52PM

Didn't the iaa come out and say that Ryanair have broke no rules etc. and that their safety record is one of the best in Europe. Also that channel 4 dispatches weren't accurate.

Would the pilots actions be classified as gross misconduct?

keith16 · 14-08-2013 11:52PM

endacl wrote: »

Those pilots would be better off driving a bus-without-wings in Dublin. When you think of the cost they had to pay for their training.

Imagine if getting a Dublin bus was a similar process to taking a Ryanair flight.

- Having to un-tick the optional extras as you boarded the bus would take ages
- You would have to queue at the bus stop for hours
- You could pay extra fare to be one of the first people at the queue in all n anyways
- Catching the 79 bus to Ballyfermot would leave you in Sligo
- You could sit at the top of the bus at the front window pretending to be the co-pilot

endacl · 14-08-2013 11:54PM

keith16 wrote: »

Imagine if getting a Dublin bus was a similar process to taking a Ryanair flight.

- Having to un-tick the optional extras as you boarded the bus would take ages
- You would have to queue at the bus stop for hours
- You could pay extra fare to be one of the first people at the queue in all n anyways
- Catching the 79 bus to Ballyfermot would leave you in Sligo
- You could sit at the top of the bus at the front window pretending to be the co-pilot

And a daft round of applause at every stop?

Shamrock231 · 14-08-2013 11:57PM

Scortho wrote: »

Didn't the iaa come out and say that Ryanair have broke no rules etc. and that their safety record is one of the best in Europe. Also that channel 4 dispatches weren't accurate.

Would the pilots actions be classified as gross misconduct?

Ryanair haven't broken any rules, but this quote from another thread sums up the difference between being safe and not breaking the rules:

It's not whether you're breaking the regulations or not, regulations are only designed for the best case. Like on a motorway you can go at 120kmph, but in fog and snow going 120kmph will get you killed. It doesn't mean you're breaking the regulation, a Guard with a speed camera can't say squat, but it's important that pressure isn't being put on you to drive up to and at the legal limit.
Neither does it mean that 120kmph is too fast, 80%+ of the time, 120kmph is perfectly fine, if not too restrictive, but go 120kmph in fog and snow, while you're not breaking the law, you're asking for an accident.

You've got to take MOL's words with a pinch of salt, not breaking the law, and being safe are not the same things, you've just got to look into this.

pablomakaveli · 15-08-2013 12:00AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Proper order I say. If someone criticised my business and then had the audacity to still want to work for me they could go take a long **** to themselves.

I got the impression he was doing it out of concern of an tragedy happening in which case he should be applauded for speaking out.

Scortho · 15-08-2013 12:02AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I got the impression he was doing it out of concern of an tragedy happening in which case he should be applauded for speaking out.

Really? Then why would he still fly the plane.
If you look at his record with the company he isn't exactly employee of the month.

Detective Mittens · 15-08-2013 12:03AM

Shamrock231 wrote: »

€28,000 to work for them and €8,000 to leave? What was that again about €10 across the Atlantic? :rolleyes::pac::eek:

I'm glad this info has started to appear in the mainstream. It was all over thejournal.ie yesterday. I have a friend who qualified 2 years ago and she's going demented watching people pay up for jobs.

paddy147 · 15-08-2013 12:03AM

Shamrock231 wrote: »

So all whistle blowers should get the sack? Now lets apply that to the banking crisis eh?

At least he didnt have to live in the transit area of a Russian Airport for a month...:pac::pac:

Lando Griffin · 15-08-2013 12:04AM

I much prefer Aer Lingus for flying and only flew Ryan Air once and it was an awful experience that I vowed to only travel with Aer Lingus and their destinations.
Aer Lingus have far happier staff and the food is premium.
Aer Lingus getting you where you want to go.

Shamrock231 · 15-08-2013 12:05AM

Scortho wrote: »

Really? Then why would he still fly the plane.
If you look at his record with the company he isn't exactly employee of the month.

To put food on the table, pay the mortgage, repay the masive €100,000 loan you need to become a pilot, the €28,000 you need to join Ryanair? Maybe he couldn't afford the €8,000 Ryanair charge pilots if they leave them?

He was a whistle blower, he was trying to solve a problem before it caused an accident killing 189 people, and now he's been fired. What do you think he should have done, quit, left, said nothing and let another pilot fill his spot and sit by with this information?

paddy147 · 15-08-2013 12:06AM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

I much prefer Aer Lingus for flying and only flew Ryan Air once and it was an awful experience that I vowed to only travel with Aer Lingus and their destinations.
Aer Lingus have far happier staff and the food is premium.
Aer Lingus getting you where you want to go.

Remember the Ryan Air lottery tickets.....scratch to win 10,000 euro.

Then remember that stupid fcuking Euro Pop music they would play before the plane would leave the departure gate....

That did my head in.:pac::pac::mad:

paddy147 · 15-08-2013 12:08AM

Polish man eats 10,000 euro winning Ryan Air lottery ticket,as he thought he was getting the money there and then on the plane...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7330126/Frustrated-Ryanair-passenger-eats-winning-scratchcard.html

Detective Mittens · 15-08-2013 12:13AM

Shamrock231 wrote: »

To put food on the table, pay the mortgage, repay the masive €100,000 loan you need to become a pilot, the €28,000 you need to join Ryanair? Maybe he couldn't afford the €8,000 Ryanair charge pilots if they leave them?

He was a whistle blower, he was trying to solve a problem before it caused an accident killing 189 people, and now he's been fired. What do you think he should have done, quit, left, said nothing and let another pilot fill his spot and sit by with this information?

A brilliant and accurate quote that was pointed out yesterday in thejournal

But the 1000 pilots who say it dangerous today will still show up for work tomorrow, knowingly taking unprofessional risks.
Why?
Because a good chunk of them cant afford to get fired. There is many 19,20 and 21 years old working for FR who secured their parents house against a 100k+ training loan all so they could become pilots and have a Facebook album full of cockpit pictures entitled “My Office”

From what I've heard flightschools are selling a dream to kids and wannabes, putting them under massive debt, Then when they finish the guys and girls who still have money get the jobs. Then they are under massive stress and go to work when sick etc which of course puts lives at risk.

The whole aviation industry sounds rotten to the core.

questionmark? · 15-08-2013 12:17AM

The pilot became a whistle-blower without any real evidence to back it up that showed the company did anything wrong. If I brought the company I work for into disrepute I would be fired too.

I would be disciplined possibly fired for writing something about the company I work for on social networking sites whether good or bad, this guy went on TV.

If he had serious concerns about fuel policy he should have gone to the Irish regulator and provided evidence to them so they could investigate.

BTW that show was so biased it was ridiculous. I fly Ryanair, Aer Lingus, Aer Arran, easy Jet et al... and the fact is Ryanair for all their annoying tendencies and in your face selling fly the youngest and most efficient planes in Europe.

DebDynamite · 15-08-2013 12:17AM

Shamrock231 wrote: »

To put food on the table, pay the mortgage, repay the masive €100,000 loan you need to become a pilot, the €28,000 you need to join Ryanair? Maybe he couldn't afford the €8,000 Ryanair charge pilots if they leave them?

He was a whistle blower, he was trying to solve a problem before it caused an accident killing 189 people, and now he's been fired. What do you think he should have done, quit, left, said nothing and let another pilot fill his spot and sit by with this information?

+ 1

And as mentioned in the Dispatches programme, there's not many pilot jobs going with other airlines, as Ryanair have such a huge share of the market.

zenno · 15-08-2013 12:22AM

I hate to say this, but if ryanair heads keep putting strain on their pilots as well as minimal fuel allowance for the destination, i can see a bad scenario happening eventually, all to save a few quid.

Ryanair might be cheaper, but i'd rather spend the extra few Euro on a ticket from aerlingus for the extra safety.

Thom Merrilin · 15-08-2013 12:25AM

Detective Mittens wrote: »

The whole aviation industry sounds rotten to the core.

And yet it continues to prove to be one of the safest methods of transport, per numbers travelling vs. injuries/deaths when compared to cars, boats, trains, buses, bicycles, walking, etc.

Also what is this about paying Ryanair €28,000 for a job? Is that refundable if you leave? What the ????

donkey balls · 15-08-2013 12:30AM

Thom Merrilin wrote: »

And yet it continues to prove to be one of the safest methods of transport, per numbers travelling vs. injuries/deaths when compared to cars, trains, buses, bicycles, walking, etc.

Also what is this about paying Ryanair €28,000 for a job? Is that refundable if you leave? What the ????

You pay them to train on their aircraft and it is non refundable so just say you train as a pilot for about 65/100k to get a job with Ryanair you fork out the guts of 30k to get trained on the company aircraft.
It is another cash cow for Ryanair.

Ryanair Whistle Blowing Pilot Sacked

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