Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Love2u · 13-08-2013 04:59PM

end of the road wrote: »

the death penalty costs tripple of what it would cost to keep someone in prison for life, the people of ireland in 2001 voted to abolish the death penalty in ireland so move on, nobody has the right to take another persons life, to say the taking of a life is wrong yet say that its okay to take the life of the person who did it is nonsense and invalidates the idea that its wrong to take a life, i don't have never and will never support the death penalty and nobody will convince me otherwise

I'll second that!

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:11PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I actually don't think they would. They asked the Late Late show audience would did they think the death penalty be applied to Sadam Huessain (sp?) and only a few people said he should . The people who said he should hadn't grown up in this country.

He was a little worse than a single child molester

We cant really judge Sadam because the americans put out a lot of propaganda about him who knows whats true and what isnt. Its also none of our business if sadam was a monster then his own people should have brought him to justice.

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:12PM

old hippy wrote: »

Let me make it simple for you. I'm against the death penalty and I'm against knee jerk reactionaries. Got it? Excellent.

Even for a serial child molester ?

Amirani · 13-08-2013 05:15PM

Jumboman wrote: »

We cant really judge Sadam because the americans put out a lot of propaganda about him who knows whats true and what isnt. Its also none of our business if sadam was a monster then his own people should have brought him to justice.

This is a ridiculous statement. Made all the more funny by the fact that people were copiously using Hitler as an example earlier in the thread.

Why is it none of our business if some evil dictator is committing genocide? Can you please explain that?

old hippy · 13-08-2013 05:15PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Even for a serial child molester ?

I refer you to my previous reply. Do I have to spell it out for you?

Amirani · 13-08-2013 05:16PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Even for a serial child molester ?

The poster already answered this question. Why are you needlessly stirring the ****?

Ray Palmer · 13-08-2013 05:16PM

Jumboman wrote: »

We cant really judge Sadam because the americans put out a lot of propaganda about him who knows whats true and what isnt. Its also none of our business if sadam was a monster then his own people should have brought him to justice.

It does give an insight into the way people in Ireland think which was my point.

end of the road · 13-08-2013 05:16PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Even for a serial child molester ?

yes, the death penalty is never justified under any circumstances

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

the death penalty costs tripple of what it would cost to keep someone in prison for life, the people of ireland in 2001 voted to abolish the death penalty in ireland so move on, nobody has the right to take another persons life, to say the taking of a life is wrong yet say that its okay to take the life of the person who did it is nonsense and invalidates the idea that its wrong to take a life, i don't have never and will never support the death penalty and nobody will convince me otherwise

The taking of innocent life is wrong but there is a huge difference between the state deciding to kill a scumbag and someone who goes out and kills a 90 year old woman or kills a child etc.

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:20PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

It does give an insight into the way people in Ireland think which was my point.

I would of voted no to execute saddam because I dont know enough about him and I dont trust what they say on the news.

old hippy · 13-08-2013 05:21PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I would of voted no to execute saddam because I dont know enough about him and I dont trust what they say on the news.

With that logic in mind, do you trust all your hear about child molesters? Do you know enough about each perp to decide they need the death penalty?

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:22PM

end of the road wrote: »

yes, the death penalty is never justified under any circumstances

I take it your not a parent ?

old hippy · 13-08-2013 05:25PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I take it your not a parent ?

I take it you've never seen an anti death penalty march or vigil?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-08-2013 05:26PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I would of voted no to execute saddam because I dont know enough about him and I dont trust what they say on the news.

How can you say you support the detah penalty for anyone, then?

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:28PM

old hippy wrote: »

With that logic in mind, do you trust all your hear about child molesters? Do you know enough about each perp to decide they need the death penalty?

Thats completely different people like saddam and gaddafi etc were demonized to justify wars. I dont know of any cases of the wrost kind of child molesters being set up. What are the odds that jon venables is innocent I'd say close to zero.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-08-2013 05:30PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Thats completely different people like saddam and gaddafi etc were demonized to justify wars. I dont know of any cases of the wrost kind of child molesters being set up. What are the odds that jon venables is innocent I'd say close to zero.

How do you this to be true?

Amirani · 13-08-2013 05:30PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Thats completely different people like saddam and gaddafi etc were demonized to justify wars. I dont know of any cases of the wrost kind of child molesters being set up. What are the odds that jon venables is innocent I'd say close to zero.

Saddam is demonised? Must be a tough job demonising someone who oversaw the use of chemical weapons on ethnic groups in his own country.

old hippy · 13-08-2013 05:31PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Thats completely different people like saddam and gaddafi etc were demonized to justify wars. I dont know of any cases of the wrost kind of child molesters being set up. What are the odds that jon venables is innocent I'd say close to zero.

Saddam and Gadaffi were set up & demonised? Shurely you jest? I didn't support the war in Iraq - I marched against it - but it would have been foolish of me to see Saddam as an innocent. He most certainly was not.

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:32PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How can you say you support the detah penalty for anyone, then?

Because their is no political motive to frame the average child molester.

old hippy · 13-08-2013 05:34PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Because their is no political motive to frame the average child molester.

Are you saying Saddam and/or Gadaffi were framed? Seriously?

And if you are, I thought you said (in the case of Saddam) you didn't know enough about him?

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:35PM

old hippy wrote: »

Saddam and Gadaffi were set up & demonised? Shurely you jest? I didn't support the war in Iraq - I marched against it - but it would have been foolish of me to see Saddam as an innocent. He most certainly was not.

I'm not saying hes innocent but you have to take what was said about him with a pinch of salt. It was claimed that Saddams soldiers were murdering babies around the time of the first Iraq war that turned out to be total lie.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-08-2013 05:42PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Because their is no political motive to frame the average child molester.

I'd argue the other side: child molesters are more dangerous to the local society, whereas neither Gadaffi nor Hussein posed a threat to Ireland. Allegedly, of course - I don't trust what I read in the media regarding war criminals or child abusers.

I've always wondered, too, why people always bring up "pedophiles" in cases like this: why ar the worse than, say, thieves or corrupt politicians? Meida portrayal, perhaps?

You are jsut as susceptable as everyone else where media manipulation is concerned.

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:44PM

old hippy wrote: »

Are you saying Saddam and/or Gadaffi were framed? Seriously?

And if you are, I thought you said (in the case of Saddam) you didn't know enough about him?

Gadaffi seems to have been well liked amongst his own people. I dont know enough about him either but I wouldnt convict him based on what the media says.

People like George Bush and Tony Blair have done far worse than anything Gadaffi or Saddam have allegedly done.

Bashar al-Assad is now the medias new boogeyman we are been flooded with propaganda about him also.

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 05:50PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I've always wondered, too, why people always bring up "pedophiles" in cases like this: why ar the worse than, say, thieves or corrupt politicians? Meida portrayal, perhaps?

.

Because they destroy a childs life its worse than murder in my opinion.

If one drug dealer kils another drug dealer I'm not really bothered but when someone abuses a child I find that the sickest crime anyone could commit.

Piliger · 13-08-2013 06:04PM

Anyone who considers it worse than murder really has no clue. Murder ends a life. Assault and abuse damages it but does not end it, no matter how you look at it.

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 06:10PM

Piliger wrote: »

Anyone who considers it worse than murder really has no clue. Murder ends a life. Assault and abuse damages it but does not end it, no matter how you look at it.

You can reform a murderer but you can never reform a Paedophile.

Also people who are abused can never fully recover.

Ray Palmer · 13-08-2013 06:15PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I would of voted no to execute saddam because I dont know enough about him and I dont trust what they say on the news.

That doesn't mean the audience thought about it like you. When asked they said the were against the death penalty. The point stands as originally stated.

Btw child molesters that don't kill aren't given death penalties in most countries. This makes your example pretty pointless.

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 06:20PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

That doesn't mean the audience thought about it like you. When asked they said the were against the death penalty. The point stands as originally stated.

Btw child molesters that don't kill aren't given death penalties in most countries. This makes your example pretty pointless.

Are you saying the late late audience represents the whole country ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-08-2013 06:43PM

Jumboman wrote: »

You can reform a murderer but you can never reform a Paedophile.

Also people who are abused can never fully recover.

Drink drivers have also destroye the lives of children. As have corrupt politicians and yet not the same sense of revulsion.

What is your evidence to say who can and who can not be reformed? If not the news, then where do you get your information? (Not saying your wrong - just wondering where you get it...)

Jumboman · 13-08-2013 06:55PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Drink drivers have also destroye the lives of children. As have corrupt politicians and yet not the same sense of revulsion.

What is your evidence to say who can and who can not be reformed? If not the news, then where do you get your information? (Not saying your wrong - just wondering where you get it...)

Common sense would tell you they cant be reformed. If somebody is a Paedophile they will always be sexual attracted to children just like a heterosexual is attracted to a member of the opposite sex.

Drink drivers are scumbags but they are not on the same level as child molesters.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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