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Ladies your opinions on men using brothels and prostitutes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Pug160


    You could go online - there are plenty of websites where you can find willing like minded people for NSA encounters.
    I'm no expert on those sites, but from what I gather there are a lot of married women on them. So yes, the person may be willing but there's a good chance she will be a woman who is not in an open marriage.
    Go to another city for a weekend and take your chances in clubs and bars. If you are reasonably attractive your are pretty much guaranteed to score.
    That is not true. It's not always as simple as that.
    I'm sure you use protection already but it is imperative to use protection in your situation.
    Escorts are often 'cleaner' than a girl who has lots of one night stands.

    I'm not advocating the use of escorts, just pointing out that things are not always as simple as they seem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    You could take a mistress.

    You could go online - there are plenty of websites where you can find willing like minded people for NSA encounters.

    Go to another city for a weekend and take your chances in clubs and bars. If you are reasonably attractive your are pretty much guaranteed to score.

    1) It's a bit selfish for him to expect a person to be his mistress, and not expect anything more.

    2) Same above really. And, I have a suspicion that a lot of people on those websites could possibly be street prostitutes.

    3) Tbh, I think him using a prostitute, as long as it is completely consensual, is morally better than using a woman for a one night stand.

    Just my opinion, and not really condemning or advocating the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    Someone I know once worked for a fuel company delivering gas, briquettes, etc. He and the other men on the trucks would often be offered sex instead of cash by college students. This was common enough that the men had coined the phrase "flesh for cash" to describe the offers they received. On one occasion the person I speak of had hauled a cylinder of gas up two flights of stairs to the door of an apartment, his knock was answered by a college student wearing nothing but a pair of panties who asked him how he wanted to be paid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Emme wrote: »
    No. If you and your wife have agreed to an open marriage that's your business. Even so, why do you have to have sex with prostitutes when there are many other options available? Is paying for sex not somewhat dehumanising both to you and the prostitute? In a way it's akin to popping 20 cents into the slot of a public toilet, going in, doing your business and going out when you're finished.

    You've mentioned this a couple of times now so I just want to point out that plenty of people see nothing wrong with ****ing, ****ting or peeing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Emme wrote: »
    In a way it's akin to popping 20 cents into the slot of a public toilet, going in, doing your business and going out when you're finished.

    Whats wrong with this? I dont want to be crude but the physical (and mental I guess) satisfaction of a good bowel movement is a pleasant thing! For me anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭claypigeon777


    Gone Anon wrote: »
    Some men have trouble getting women and you shouldn't as such look down on them for that

    If you can't get a women without paying for it then you deserve to be celibate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    If you can't get a women without paying for it then you deserve to be celibate.

    I'll certainly be sure to take advice from some who thinks it's all about "getting" a woman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Emme


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    You've mentioned this a couple of times now so I just want to point out that plenty of people see nothing wrong with ****ing, ****ting or peeing.

    Mentioned what a couple of times?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Emme


    Threads like this and a similar one on the ladies lounge depress me. I and many other women don't agree with prostitution. No matter where we post here we are continually shouted down by a pro-prostitution lobby who are determined to reduce what should be an intimate act between consenting adults to a cold transaction.

    Some men seem to think that they have a right to purchase sex when and where they choose if their wife doesn't "put out" or if they are away with the lads.

    I don't know who or what is driving the agenda that a woman's body is nothing more than a piece of meat which can be purchased at whim by whoever chooses to do so. Anybody who disagrees is shouted down. Anti-trafficking organisations and organisations who rehabilitate traumatised prostitutes are also denigrated.

    The pro-prostitution lobby has a very strong voice and I suspect that some of the "happy hookers" who post here and elsewhere are actually pimps. I also suspect that there are more female pimps than people might think. I find it hard to believe that escorts love their work and are happy to service all their clients. Any woman who goes to a club or bar would not be happy to accept all the offers she gets, indeed sometimes she isn't happy to accept any of them. The escorts who post here give the impression that their clients are all nice clean respectful George Clooney types who they love to service.

    I am no longer going to post on threads about prostitution even though I oppose it. The reason is the pro-prostitution lobby have boards and other discussion media sewn up. If I had a daughter I would be very worried and any woman who goes along with the "prostitution is ok" thinking is being brainwashed.

    Younger women are particularly vulnerable and I think they are more likely to feel their body is something they can sell. Case in point: the students who are reportedly offering payment in kind to tradesmen. Why do they think it is ok to do this? In my student days that was unthinkable for most people. Escorting is being glamorized and gullible young women think it's all right to put their bodies up for sale.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Emme wrote: »
    Threads like this and a similar one on the ladies lounge depress me. I and many other women don't agree with prostitution. No matter where we post here we are continually shouted down by a pro-prostitution lobby who are determined to reduce what should be an intimate act between consenting adults to a cold transaction.

    Do you think there can be no intimacy when money is involved? Do you think the women always lie there like a brick while the man does his thing?

    Also, no one here is arguing in favour of prostitution where both adults are not consenting.
    Emme wrote: »
    Some men seem to think that they have a right to purchase sex when and where they choose if their wife doesn't "put out" or if they are away with the lads.

    No one here is saying that's okay.
    Emme wrote: »
    I don't know who or what is driving the agenda that a woman's body is nothing more than a piece of meat which can be purchased at whim by whoever chooses to do so. Anybody who disagrees is shouted down. Anti-trafficking organisations and organisations who rehabilitate traumatised prostitutes are also denigrated.

    No one here is in favour of human trafficking.
    Emme wrote: »
    The pro-prostitution lobby has a very strong voice and I suspect that some of the "happy hookers" who post here and elsewhere are actually pimps. I also suspect that there are more female pimps than people might think. I find it hard to believe that escorts love their work and are happy to service all their clients. Any woman who goes to a club or bar would not be happy to accept all the offers she gets, indeed sometimes she isn't happy to accept any of them. The escorts who post here give the impression that their clients are all nice clean respectful George Clooney types who they love to service.

    So long as the escort is fully consenting, then what business is it of yours what she does?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭MaxWig


    Emme wrote: »
    Threads like this and a similar one on the ladies lounge depress me. I and many other women don't agree with prostitution. No matter where we post here we are continually shouted down by a pro-prostitution lobby who are determined to reduce what should be an intimate act between consenting adults to a cold transaction.

    Some men seem to think that they have a right to purchase sex when and where they choose if their wife doesn't "put out" or if they are away with the lads.

    I don't know who or what is driving the agenda that a woman's body is nothing more than a piece of meat which can be purchased at whim by whoever chooses to do so. Anybody who disagrees is shouted down. Anti-trafficking organisations and organisations who rehabilitate traumatised prostitutes are also denigrated.

    The pro-prostitution lobby has a very strong voice and I suspect that some of the "happy hookers" who post here and elsewhere are actually pimps. I also suspect that there are more female pimps than people might think. I find it hard to believe that escorts love their work and are happy to service all their clients. Any woman who goes to a club or bar would not be happy to accept all the offers she gets, indeed sometimes she isn't happy to accept any of them. The escorts who post here give the impression that their clients are all nice clean respectful George Clooney types who they love to service.

    I am no longer going to post on threads about prostitution even though I oppose it. The reason is the pro-prostitution lobby have boards and other discussion media sewn up. If I had a daughter I would be very worried and any woman who goes along with the "prostitution is ok" thinking is being brainwashed.

    Younger women are particularly vulnerable and I think they are more likely to feel their body is something they can sell. Case in point: the students who are reportedly offering payment in kind to tradesmen. Why do they think it is ok to do this? In my student days that was unthinkable for most people. Escorting is being glamorized and gullible young women think it's all right to put their bodies up for sale.

    I think its a little unfair to posters who are not necessarily in favor of prostitution, to call them a pro-prostitution lobby.

    I don''t believe in the prohibition of any service/activity, providing it is among consenting adults, who are aware of all the relevant facts.

    Discussions of trafficking and suchlike have no place in a discussion about prostitution per se. They skew the discussion, much like talking about addiction when discussing drug use.

    Who says sex with an escort isn't intimate? How much more intimate can you get?
    I think you mean 'romantic', or 'special' rather than intimate. And with all due respect, some people like their sex freaky, maybe with an audience, maybe with a group of participants.

    If you like your sex vanilla, as many do, by all means go for it.
    But try to appreciate that there are lots of perspectives different to your own


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Emme wrote: »
    ...No matter where we post here we are continually shouted down...

    Are you surprised that everyone on Boards doesn't share your outlooks, morals and standards?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Emme


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Are you surprised that everyone on Boards doesn't share your outlooks, morals and standards?

    Of course not. I am surprised that so many people seem to be in favour of women's bodies being bought and sold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,559 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Emme wrote: »
    Of course not. I am surprised that so many people seem to be in favour of women's bodies being bought and sold.

    Do you buy a plumber's body when you hire them to do some work? Or a carpenter or physio?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    I am no longer going to post on threads about prostitution even though I oppose it. The reason is the pro-prostitution lobby have boards and other discussion media sewn up. If I had a daughter I would be very worried and any woman who goes along with the "prostitution is ok" thinking is being brainwashed.

    Younger women are particularly vulnerable and I think they are more likely to feel their body is something they can sell. Case in point: the students who are reportedly offering payment in kind to tradesmen. Why do they think it is ok to do this? In my student days that was unthinkable for most people. Escorting is being glamorized and gullible young women think it's all right to put their bodies up for sale.

    You do realize that women have a mind of their own and can think for themselves?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Das Kitty


    Emme wrote: »
    Of course not. I am surprised that so many people seem to be in favour of women's bodies being bought and sold.

    Being sold by their owners.

    In my opinion a woman should have full control over her body and what happens to it. If she wishes to sell sex, that's her choice.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 8,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fluorescence


    Emme wrote: »
    Of course not. I am surprised that so many people seem to be in favour of women's bodies being bought and sold.

    Supporting the legalisation and regulation of the sex industry is not the same as supporting prostitution. The choice should be there for people to make, and there should be a framework in place to make it as safe an option as possible.

    Anyone wanting to become an escort should be allowed to make an informed decision about what to do with their own body and life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭sam34


    Emme wrote: »
    Of course not. I am surprised that so many people seem to be in favour of women's bodies being bought and sold.

    I paid €100 to see and hear Bruce Springsteen last month.

    was that wrong?

    he chose to be there, to sing and perform for money. he knew what he was expected to do, I knew what I was going to get for my €100.

    competent adults should be able to choose what to do with their body, and what aspects of it they are happy to use for profit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Ectoplasm


    Supporting the legalisation and regulation of the sex industry is not the same as supporting prostitution. The choice should be there for people to make, and there should be a framework in place to make it as safe an option as possible.

    Anyone wanting to become an escort should be allowed to make an informed decision about what to do with their own body and life.

    My logical self says that what is outlined above is clearly the way to go. I really honestly try not to be judgemental and I know I've no hang ups about sex itself. In fact the position that Fluorescence outlines would have been my default for a long time. Then I discovered the Escort Ireland website.

    Being a curious soul I had a nose about. I was kind of morbidly fascinated by the whole thing. In the past, I'd always kind of envisioned the guys who used prostitutes as being kind of desperate (judgemental perhaps, but I'm being honest), but for the most part fairly harmless. What I saw on that site actually disturbed me; the way the people on the website talk about the escorts that they use utterly shocked me. Clearly I was naïve but 'reviews' were totally dehumanising. These escorts were discussed in the same kind of terms and ways as I might discuss a new set of headphones. There is no way on earth you could convince me that these 'punters' (there is a whole 'in' language used) have an ounce of respect for the escorts they are using.

    Browsing that website put a new spin on things for me and it did change my opinion on those who use these kind of services. I no longer see it as harmless for the most part, but here is the thing; I think it is damaging for both escort AND punter. I'm sure there are exceptions. I'm sure plenty of people think I'm wrong, and that is fine. I'll accept that I might be. I'm just being really honest when I say that I do judge those who use escorts regularly in more negative light now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    There's a really good Twitter account, Everyday Whorephobia run by prostitutes. They're extremely open about the work they do and it's been enlightening following them. https://twitter.com/whorephobia


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭augusta24


    EMF2010 wrote: »
    My logical self says that what is outlined above is clearly the way to go. I really honestly try not to be judgemental and I know I've no hang ups about sex itself. In fact the position that Fluorescence outlines would have been my default for a long time. Then I discovered the Escort Ireland website.

    Being a curious soul I had a nose about. I was kind of morbidly fascinated by the whole thing. In the past, I'd always kind of envisioned the guys who used prostitutes as being kind of desperate (judgemental perhaps, but I'm being honest), but for the most part fairly harmless. What I saw on that site actually disturbed me; the way the people on the website talk about the escorts that they use utterly shocked me. Clearly I was naïve but 'reviews' were totally dehumanising. These escorts were discussed in the same kind of terms and ways as I might discuss a new set of headphones. There is no way on earth you could convince me that these 'punters' (there is a whole 'in' language used) have an ounce of respect for the escorts they are using.

    Browsing that website put a new spin on things for me and it did change my opinion on those who use these kind of services. I no longer see it as harmless for the most part, but here is the thing; I think it is damaging for both escort AND punter. I'm sure there are exceptions. I'm sure plenty of people think I'm wrong, and that is fine. I'll accept that I might be. I'm just being really honest when I say that I do judge those who use escorts regularly in more negative light now.

    Completely agree. When I looked through that website and the forum I actually felt sick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Emme wrote: »
    Of course not. I am surprised that so many people seem to be in favour of women's bodies being bought and sold.

    Is it your place to stop a woman selling her body for sex if she should choose to do so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭augusta24


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Is it your place to stop a woman selling her body for sex if she should choose to do so?

    Can you not say the same for drugs? If some druggie wants to buy heroin and sit in a corner injecting it why is it against the law? Is it not their choice to do what they want to ther body?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    augusta24 wrote: »
    Can you not say the same for drugs? If some druggie wants to buy heroin and sit in a corner injecting it why is it against the law? Is it not their choice to do what they want to ther body?

    Because heroin is illegal, highly addictive and highly dangerous.

    Sex isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭MaxWig


    augusta24 wrote: »
    Can you not say the same for drugs? If some druggie wants to buy heroin and sit in a corner injecting it why is it against the law? Is it not their choice to do what they want to ther body?

    It absolutely should be.

    Its against the law for a variety of reasons, none of which are particularly sensible.

    I do think that's a different story however, in that it requires at least the facilitation by a third party. Prostitution is simply two adults doing something with their own bodies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    augusta24 wrote: »
    Can you not say the same for drugs? If some druggie wants to buy heroin and sit in a corner injecting it why is it against the law? Is it not their choice to do what they want to ther body?

    I don't condemn drug addicts or anyone else for that matter. Some choose a path of self destruction. Who am I to judge if it's only themselves they're harming. In your example, the consequences to society are enormous. In the case of prostitution, the consequences to society (as opposed to the potential consequences to the individual) are pretty low.

    PS: I don't support prostitution.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boards is an open source of debate so please don't feel intimidated when you have the minority view and do post. I know for a fact some people don't post in there type of debates because of the avalanche of pro choice in prostitution, I know pro choice in prostitution stems from the ethics of a woman having full control of her body and that includes the choice to sell it.

    Remember tolerance is not promotion, you can tolerate something because you feel it is the best position to take and the one of least harm, but that does not imply support for prostitution.

    The attitude in Holland to prostitution is one of tolerance and not of promotion and that seem to pass right over people heads and they don't seem to understand that large parts of Dutch society are very conservative.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    What is the legal situation here, exactly? Is it just solicitation that's against the law?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Using a prostitute, or having a fling/ONS, when in a presumed monogamous relationship is deceitful and wrong.

    I don't have an issue with a man or woman using the services of a prostitute/escort . In fact, I don't really see the difference between that and a ONS. I've just posted something similar in The Gentlemen's Club.

    It's not 'buying someone's body', they leave with their body, you are just paying to use it for a period of time. As has been pointed out, we pay people for other services and don't feel we are degrading them. It's sex without emotional attachment, that might not be for everyone, but it suits a lot of people.

    Sex is normal, healthy and a necessary part of an adult's life. How an each decides to avail of that is their decision, we should neither judge the buyer nor the seller.

    *I am assuming the sex worker is voluntarily involved.


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  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are presuming that the that responders are judging the buyer and seller I am not judging, nor do I think the buyers or seller are bad or good, they are I am sure as varied as any human can be. My very simple point the act of paying IMO ( I am not speaking for others ) is part of a continuum of thinking along the way to money solves everything or its always about money all the way along the to why work at anything, why not just take the easy way out of everything, consume use discarded. I am not seeking to impose my personal opinions on anyone.


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