Loyalists rioting again

Royal Legend · 11-08-2013 08:28PM

RustyNut wrote: »

I think the government should provide somewhere that the rioters from both sides can indulge in their chosen sport.

Make couple of fields available to them once or twice a month during the summer and supply them with whatever building rubble the local councils built up over the winter months to throw at each other.

Maybe they could get some of the large oil company's to sponsor individual events seeing as so much of their products are used, The Shell Showdown, The Maxol Mixup etc.

We could encourage some riot tourism in these hard up times and bring some much needed revenue into these areas. No doubt some of the adrenaline sport junkies would pay handsomely to put on some PSNI riot gear and enter the affray armed with headache sticks and batton round guns.

Lets try turn this into a positive for the entire community.

Needs a theme tune

RustyNut · 11-08-2013 08:45PM

And when its all over something to eat with a cup of tea. (or bottle of bucfast)

TheLastMohican · 12-08-2013 03:25AM

Revolting Loyalists? What's new?

K-9 · 12-08-2013 03:48AM

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

Loyalouts make Republicans look like perfect gentlemen.

Hmmmm...

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

You can't win. You'll never win. You know why? Because you haven't got it in you.

A Republican gentleman, maybe he has been brought up to think he is a gentleman?

Karl Stein · 12-08-2013 04:13AM

K-9 wrote: »

A Republican gentleman, maybe he has been brought up to think he is a gentleman?

I didn't feel like being gentlemanly with someone who was telling me to '**** off' and this was exacerbated by having a few beers on board.

I'm not much into that whole 'love thine enemy' shit.

bilston · 12-08-2013 10:57AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

the sooner we develop the technology to separate the 6 counties form the rest of the island and let it drift off into the North Sea, the better.

Quite apart from the Geography failure that's some sized brush you're using to tar the 1.8 million people who live in Northern Ireland with.

Dyr · 12-08-2013 11:02AM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Marching in full paramilitary gear is hardly exclusive to the republican side.

In all fairness to loyalist paramilitary members, that might just be a habit they picked up from their time in Her Majestys armed forces

Mike 1972 · 12-08-2013 12:59PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

What hissy fit?

its an annual event on AH.

Dostoevsky · 12-08-2013 01:08PM

The republicans should arrange a couple of thousand marches in response to these herrenvolk marches. Then, hopefully, all parades will be banned in the interests of public order, civil society, commerce, employment, cross-community relations and the 21st century.

We can but dream.

Fratton Fred · 12-08-2013 01:45PM

Dostoevsky wrote: »

The republicans should arrange a couple of thousand marches in response to these herrenvolk marches. Then, hopefully, all parades will be banned in the interests of public order, civil society, commerce, employment, cross-community relations and the 21st century.

We can but dream.

Whilst the loyalist marches are an insult to the nationalist community in general, marching to commemorate two men who were going to plant a car bomb is an insult to all the decent people of these islands. I'm surprised Sinn Fein gave their support to this.

dd972 · 12-08-2013 01:51PM

For a bunch of people who are supposed to be supremacists there's something poorer, chavier and ''jeremy kyle-ish'' about working class loyalists, even compared to working class republicans.

Mike 1972 · 12-08-2013 01:51PM

Dostoevsky wrote: »

s in response to these herrenvolk marches

Godwin !

Henlars67 · 12-08-2013 02:37PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Whilst the loyalist marches are an insult to the nationalist community in general, marching to commemorate two men who were going to plant a car bomb is an insult to all the decent people of these islands. I'm surprised Sinn Fein gave their support to this.

As a Sinn Féin member I am of the view that these commemorations need to be phased out, though that isn't a popular view within the party.

I fully understand the view of people who think that we should honour all of our fallen dead regardless of circumstances, but the easter commemorations are a time when this is done. They aren't just commemorations of the easter rising. The list of all who volunteers who died in a particular county are read out at that county's commemoration.

We should move away from individual commemorations backed by the part. If party members want to organise and attend (and I would still attend many myself) these commemorations in a private capacity then that is fine, but in the interest of progress I feel that other than the easter commemorations the party shouldn't have an official involvement.

Fratton Fred · 12-08-2013 03:26PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

As a Sinn Féin member I am of the view that these commemorations need to be phased out, though that isn't a popular view within the party.

I fully understand the view of people who think that we should honour all of our fallen dead regardless of circumstances, but the easter commemorations are a time when this is done. They aren't just commemorations of the easter rising. The list of all who volunteers who died in a particular county are read out at that county's commemoration.

We should move away from individual commemorations backed by the part. If party members want to organise and attend (and I would still attend many myself) these commemorations in a private capacity then that is fine, but in the interest of progress I feel that other than the easter commemorations the party shouldn't have an official involvement.

What is the criteria for remembering these "Freedom Fighters"? Is it only the ones that Sinn Fein approve of, or does everyone who claims they fought for Irish freedom get a mention?

Will the people that bombed Omagh get a mention?

markomuscle · 12-08-2013 04:57PM

in my local catholic cemetery there is a commemoration every year for a few PIRA members who died when the bomb they were carrying exploded, this shouldn't be welcome at a catholic church. there aren't any commemorations for old IRA members in the church i should also add

Lingua Franca · 12-08-2013 05:31PM

The National Graves Association would disagree with you, markomuscle.

markomuscle · 12-08-2013 05:40PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

The National Graves Association would disagree with you, markomuscle.

good for them

Lingua Franca · 12-08-2013 05:52PM

Nice edit.

markomuscle · 12-08-2013 05:59PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Nice edit.

indeed. My post was highlighting the point that there is a public gathering every Easter at the graves of the PIRA members yet some old IRA members don't get this public gathering by the young republicans of the area.

12-08-2013 06:01PM

56 police officers injured, how many arrests and how many rioters injured?

Lingua Franca · 12-08-2013 06:05PM

markomuscle wrote: »

indeed. My post was highlighting the point that there is a public gathering every Easter at the graves of the PIRA members yet some old IRA members don't get this public gathering by the young republicans of the area.

Your post said
"there aren't any commemorations for old IRA members I should add"

Had you responded to my post about the National Graves with "I meant to say, in that particular church" instead of editing your original post and then making a new sarcastic one then you wouldn't look so disingenuous.

markomuscle · 12-08-2013 06:12PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Your post said
"there aren't any commemorations for old IRA members I should add"

Had you responded to my post about the National Graves with "I meant to say, in that particular church" instead of editing your original post and then making a new sarcastic one then you wouldn't look so disingenuous.

i had assumed it was obvious i was talking about my local church but i should have made that clearer i admit.

BuilderPlumber · 13-08-2013 09:23AM

It is horrible to see all this. For the most part, Belfast is a very friendly city and safe. There should be no tolerance given to these neo-Nazis (on both sides) who are ruining life for everyone else. Their ideologies are pure fascist and their aim is to foment hatred between both communities.

As regards marches, I think both sides need to forget the times and events people are marching for. The eras of the Battle of the Boyne, 1798, 1916-1921 and 1969-1998 are all times better off forgotten as they were periods where 1000s of innocent people died plus when mass damage was done to the country in all ways. But there are neo-Nazis in both communities who would gladly return to those dark times.

Zebra3 · 13-08-2013 09:27AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Whilst the loyalist marches are an insult to the nationalist community in general, marching to commemorate two men who were going to plant a car bomb is an insult to all the decent people of these islands. I'm surprised Sinn Fein gave their support to this.

As is marching to commemorate people who bombed innocent civilians from planes and tanks.

guttenberg · 13-08-2013 09:28AM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=184353638411642&set=vb.182531001927239&type=2&theater
Some eejit storms up to police lines with what looks to be the base of a traffic cone, quickly drops it and retreats, take a look why!

gobnaitolunacy · 13-08-2013 09:36AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

As is marching to commemorate people who bombed innocent civilians from planes and tanks.

Whats the fcuking thing with all this marching into a place where you're clearly not wanted to prove a point? Absolutely sh!t sick of all of it, from both sides.

Sh!t-stirrers, all of them.

Fratton Fred · 13-08-2013 09:41AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

As is marching to commemorate people who bombed innocent civilians from planes and tanks.

But but but the Mao Maos.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-08-2013 09:58AM

Its a disgrace in this day and age that IRA men who were going to blow up people to be remembered.

Parades on both sides should just be stopped.

Henlars67 · 13-08-2013 10:12AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its a disgrace in this day and age that IRA men who were going to blow up people to be remembered.

Parades on both sides should just be stopped.

Everyone who lost their lives on both sides of the conflict should be remembered, if their friends and family so wish, just not in a way which is likely to antagonise others.

A simple gathering and a few words at the graveside would suffice.

Zebra3 · 13-08-2013 10:16AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

But but but the Mao Maos.

Checkmate, eh? :rolleyes:

Loyalists rioting again

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