Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

robopaddy · 12-08-2013 03:41PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Heard that the County Board aren't happy with the players. That they wanted to alter the backroom staff as has been mentioned I think, and that's what they said to the Board. Not sure how Michael Ryan comes into this, but I think it's possibly a case that he wasn't prepared to be have his backroom staff dictated to him by the players (again) and decided to go.

I really hate the manner of all this. I would have backed the players fully in 2008, but they really shoot themselves in the foot with how they seem to be handling things. Having a meeting amongst themselves is one thing, you want the input of everybody and any things they would like to see change by a majority decision at the very leat. That's fair enough. But did they go then to Michael Ryan and the board, or just the board? If the board had to tell Ryan I wouldn't be impressed at all.

In 2008, they went behind Justin's back. Now, personally I think Justin had some sort of opinion that he would be there forever and he treated several players very shabbily but still even if someone hasn't treated you right you don't lower your own standards.

Hoping there'll be some confirmation of whether 2012 was a typo in the newspaper article today when used to describe the delegation of players that met in the Ramada. Will be very disappointed if it wasn't, as nobody from last years panel that isn't there this year has the right to be involved in a squad decision.

either way the whole thing is a bloody mess

Ropaire · 12-08-2013 03:48PM

The only positive to be taken from this is at least we've got plenty of time to look for a suitable replacement and we're in a better position with he players available and with the time available to work with them than the last time this happened in 2008. Fingers crossed that works to our advantage and we get the best man available, regardless of what county they're from.

doz · 12-08-2013 03:51PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Hoping there'll be some confirmation of whether 2012 was a typo in the newspaper article today when used to describe the delegation of players that met in the Ramada. Will be very disappointed if it wasn't, as nobody from last years panel that isn't there this year has the right to be involved in a squad decision.

Could it be the case that they referred to it as the 2012 panel being that the current panel would have started training pre Xmas? Just a thought. The unpalatable alternative is that they simply didn't want to name those reportedly involved.

I know there have been rumours flying around about Mullane possibly being involved but he was working with RTE Radio in Dublin on the minor game yesterday and I am refusing to contemplate that he was in any way involved unless the contrary is proven.

I'm sure it will all come out in the wash eventually but it is a pretty embarrassing state of affairs and not for the first time we are the laughing stock of the hurling world.

Sam Swarek · 12-08-2013 03:58PM

The players may become untouchable as in no decent manager would get involved this after justins heave, ryans original selectors and now Ryan, that's 3 management teams shown the door by the players.
I hope none of 2012 panel were involved in the meeting, they had no business being there or having a say, those lads were either dropped or retired before this year.

Sam Swarek · 12-08-2013 04:02PM

doz wrote: »

Could it be the case that they referred to it as the 2012 panel being that the current panel would have started training pre Xmas? Just a thought. The unpalatable alternative is that they simply didn't want to name those reportedly involved.

I know there have been rumours flying around about Mullane possibly being involved but he was working with RTE Radio in Dublin on the minor game yesterday and I am refusing to contemplate that he was in any way involved unless the contrary is proven.

I'm sure it will all come out in the wash eventually but it is a pretty embarrassing state of affairs and not for the first time we are the laughing stock of the hurling world.

hard to see how Mullane would have been involved, he's cleverer than that and he'd have known it wasn't his place to be involved in any meeting. as you said he was in Dublin yesterday and he wrote on the paper today that he was surprised with ryan leaving so that's surely the truth, he wouldn't have wrote he wasn't involved on a national paper if he indeed was involved. give the man the benefit here.

tonc76 · 12-08-2013 04:13PM

doz wrote: »

Could it be the case that they referred to it as the 2012 panel being that the current panel would have started training pre Xmas? Just a thought. The unpalatable alternative is that they simply didn't want to name those reportedly involved.

I know there have been rumours flying around about Mullane possibly being involved but he was working with RTE Radio in Dublin on the minor game yesterday and I am refusing to contemplate that he was in any way involved unless the contrary is proven.

I'm sure it will all come out in the wash eventually but it is a pretty embarrassing state of affairs and not for the first time we are the laughing stock of the hurling world.

I'd say the hurling world is focused on the Cork Dublin match yesterday rather than the goings on in the Waterford senior set up.

Mountainlad · 12-08-2013 04:17PM

doz wrote: »

Could it be the case that they referred to it as the 2012 panel being that the current panel would have started training pre Xmas? Just a thought. The unpalatable alternative is that they simply didn't want to name those reportedly involved.

I know there have been rumours flying around about Mullane possibly being involved but he was working with RTE Radio in Dublin on the minor game yesterday and I am refusing to contemplate that he was in any way involved unless the contrary is proven.

I'm sure it will all come out in the wash eventually but it is a pretty embarrassing state of affairs and not for the first time we are the laughing stock of the hurling world.

Yeah well you see he couldn't name any individuals as while he trusts his source, he's no fool and conscious of libel laws. Nobody will sue the paper for that statement. Also the quote is "The Irish Examiner has been reliably informed a delegation of the 2012 squad approached the county board last week seeking a change in management following a players’ meeting.", so it wouldn't matter where individuals were yesterday.

Leave Mullane's name aside anyway, I would be disappointed if anyone from 2012 that wasn't there last year had a part to play in the decision.

Sam Swarek wrote: »

The players may become untouchable as in no decent manager would get involved this after justins heave, ryans original selectors and now Ryan, that's 3 management teams shown the door by the players.
I hope none of 2012 panel were involved in the meeting, they had no business being there or having a say, those lads were either dropped or retired before this year.

Well high profile managers won't anyway, though I think if there was more money available they might. O'Grady won't, but Allen might have had we had a JP MCManus in 2011. That's probably why Cusack's name is going around, don't think he has any experience so this would be a great job for him to get.

Spot on with the second part.

Sam Swarek wrote: »

hard to see how Mullane would have been involved, he's cleverer than that and he'd have known it wasn't his place to be involved in any meeting. as you said he was in Dublin yesterday and he wrote on the paper today that he was surprised with ryan leaving so that's surely the truth, he wouldn't have wrote he wasn't involved on a national paper if he indeed was involved. give the man the benefit here.

I looked up the Independant website but don't see any article by him on Ryan. Just one about yesterday's match.

lovelypoint · 12-08-2013 04:17PM

Sam Swarek wrote: »

I hope none of 2012 panel were involved in the meeting, they had no business being there or having a say, those lads were either dropped or retired before this year.

Personally, if I were the CB assessing whether to reappoint a manager whose contract tenure had just ended, I would talk talk to all and sundry involved under that manager, as well as of course evaluating team performances and results. I think the devil will be in the detail here, as to whether this was an unfair heave against the management team, or even a heave at all. For now, all we seem to have is a variety of varied accounts.

Deise_2012 · 12-08-2013 05:00PM

Brad1234 wrote: »

Thanks for all you have done Michael but a change was needed.. Hurling people will see what is wrong bogeys on here will see a extra time loss to KK as an achievement..

He deserves respect for what he has done but his tactical awareness was clueless.. Throwing on Tony Browne v KK for Darragh fives who was probably MOTM was clueless at best and he was initially putting him on Full forward to lift the crowd haha..

We need a proper coach with good structure top class touch training like cork.. Our Template is Cork cause we always play like cork.. So there are in an all ireland final now are they really miles better than us.. No there not but they have a top class man in charge with an excellent backroom team and the players know exactly where they are going..

Now look at us.. At times this year when the game was there for the taking we looked clueless on the pitch or on the line.. he had Seamus Prender v KK as two in the inside line and he they were pinging balls from Corner to corner for a 33 year old to chase.. Can anyone not see the problem with that.. So you can huff and puff about how a lovely man ryan is and im sure he is but whats that got to do with waterford hurling? He brought fives back on then in extra time v KK and brought in Shane Walsh who couldnt walk?

V Clare they missed a rake of scores in the second half and he told them with 20 mins to go to push up the field and the game in the melting pot.. Come on people leave your personal agendas aside just cause he may have said hello to you on the street.. This is waterford hurling which we want to be the best.. if you want to be the best you need to have the best people around the group which we certainly dont..

For the record i have from great authority they didnt want him out just backroom team to be shaken up and next they heard he was gone...

Minors is another great example superb win yesterday but are they winning cause they are just that good cause to me (and i havent missed a game) they make the same mistakes over and over again.. What are the backroom team doing.. Going for goals when point is on.. Keepers puckouts are all over the place.. Some players unbelievably lucky to be still starting? over emphasis on handpassing and delivery to the forwards when its good scores come (prob 10 good balls out of at least 40 goes in)

So i dont care what club you are or who you're friendly with this is waterford hurling.. If had a family member who was involved and they were poor id tell him not cover it up cause i know him well.. Waterford hurling is bigger than anyone so leave your agendas aside.. Sick of people on here barking on about how Ryan was hung out to dry when he most certainly wasn't and i commend his work but he wasnt going to bring us any further..

Well you were against Ryan from day 1 so you must be absolutely delighted he's gone, you went very quiet on this after the Kilkenny game with the amount of people delighted with the performance. Darragh Fives was injured against Kilkenny you hardly thought he brought on tony browne just because he's tony browne.
You get me any manager in the country to coach this team, take away mullane and eoin kelly, then take into account the amount of people missing between working commitments, travelling and injuries and see how well they get on v Clare and Kilkenny.
Never met the man in my life, not from his local club either so you can stop talking about personal agendas.

But I have to agree with you with the minors, If that management team were any good they'd have beaten limerick in the 1st game, what kind of fellas are in charge at all? holding awards nights 2 days before the munster final sure what have they won yet this season? They still don't know what to do with the forward line, how Cormac Curran and Conor Gleeson don't start is beyond me. Roche and Farrell are too inconsistent but in fairness Roche wasn't fit enough yesterday, they'd want to sort out the goalkeeper puck outs too, hitting it straight to Kevin Daly who won't be allowed to get on the ball in the final. So many mistakes yesterday they'd seriously want to get it right for the final

chinguetti · 12-08-2013 05:10PM

Players come out of this bad whatever way you look at it. Telling the county board they don't want Ryan or changes to the backroom staff is not their job in my mind. And if it is, they could talk to Ryan and co. to his face and not be cowards about it and go behind his back. I would say he was in Croker yesterday but seemingly the players weren't if they were at a meeting. Ryan mightn't be perfect or suitable for every Waterford fan but he's been badly treated in this mess.

If the case is they didn't want the management, they must be blaming the management for every wide they hit in matches too i suppose. And to do it when the minors are playing in a semi final in Croke Park and the following day steal their thunder after a great victory, makes the players look petty in my mind. If they had won Munster or got to a semi final, they might have some purchase to look for changes.

Everyone one and their dog knows the county board is broke so getting a big name is out and there's no money for extras. Also John Mullane left the panel by his own accord so if he has anything to do with a players meeting, it should have ended in 2012. He's not part of the panel in 2013 so he should have no voice and should be told thus, regardless of how great a player he was for Waterford.

robopaddy · 12-08-2013 05:44PM

chinguetti wrote: »

Players come out of this bad whatever way you look at it. Telling the county board they don't want Ryan or changes to the backroom staff is not their job in my mind. And if it is, they could talk to Ryan and co. to his face and not be cowards about it and go behind his back. I would say he was in Croker yesterday but seemingly the players weren't if they were at a meeting. Ryan mightn't be perfect or suitable for every Waterford fan but he's been badly treated in this mess.

If the case is they didn't want the management, they must be blaming the management for every wide they hit in matches too i suppose. And to do it when the minors are playing in a semi final in Croke Park and the following day steal their thunder after a great victory, makes the players look petty in my mind. If they had won Munster or got to a semi final, they might have some purchase to look for changes.

Everyone one and their dog knows the county board is broke so getting a big name is out and there's no money for extras. Also John Mullane left the panel by his own accord so if he has anything to do with a players meeting, it should have ended in 2012. He's not part of the panel in 2013 so he should have no voice and should be told thus, regardless of how great a player he was for Waterford.

Agreed. I wonder did the players think they could kind of sneak into the ramada under the radar on sunday morning knowing that the counties eyes would be fixed on croker.

Also mullane calling for donal og cusack to be waterford manager in an article that cant have pencilled more than a few hours after ryan stepped down is crazily disrespectful. The whole thing just stinks for me

Mountainlad · 12-08-2013 05:54PM

robopaddy wrote: »

Agreed. I wonder did the players think they could kind of sneak into the ramada under the radar on sunday morning knowing that the counties eyes would be fixed on croker.

Also mullane calling for donal og cusack to be waterford manager in an article that cant have pencilled more than a few hours after ryan stepped down is crazily disrespectful. The whole thing just stinks for me

Did you see that article in the print version or what';s going on? Couldn't find an article on Waterford by him at all in the Independent, and to be honest I'd find it quite surprising that he would have his name attributed to an article so soon after it happened.

suitcasepink · 12-08-2013 05:56PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Did you see that article in the print version or what';s going on? Couldn't find an article on Waterford by him at all in the Independent, and to be honest I'd find it quite surprising that he would have his name attributed to an article so soon after it happened.

This one?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/donal-og-should-take-the-chance-to-lead-deise-29491299.html

Mountainlad · 12-08-2013 06:00PM

deise_girl wrote: »

This one?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/donal-og-should-take-the-chance-to-lead-deise-29491299.html

Thank you

I must be awfully blind altogether!

I guess they asked him to write the article, and they're paying him. There's not really too much in that to be honest.

suitcasepink · 12-08-2013 06:04PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Thank you I must be awfully blind altogether!

I guess they asked him to write the article, and they're paying him. There's not really too much in that to be honest.

Haha its fine, Im just fantastic at finding everything :pac:
Other interesting pieces from twitter are that 30 players voted and only 18 actually voted for Scully to go
https://twitter.com/BrianJAFlannery/status/366973483151917057
And Im trying to remember who said it, could have been Flannery again but that less than half of the players actually attended the meeting and the others just rang in with their votes..
Bit sketchy that many wernt even bothered turning up for it isnt it?

TGV · 12-08-2013 06:39PM

I am not its just the players. Coming out of waterford v Clare u21 my old man was talking to another old guy about the senior performance this year and he said if we could get rid of Ryan we have a chance "sure he nevered played intercounty hurling how would he know how manage a team". Its hard to know who will be appointed can see anybody doing it for free and who ever comes in will have to assert his authority on the players....roll on next year

seananigans · 12-08-2013 06:45PM

bit on the 6.1 news, go to the 15.40 mark

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10189306/

deisedude · 12-08-2013 07:24PM

I think we are rightly fcuked now. No money for an outside manager and nobody remotely good enough in our own ranks

alllcounty · 12-08-2013 07:33PM

I'm totally disgusted at the behaviour of the 18 players. The majority of the supporters were happy we were back playing a better brand of hurling and were keen the current management would stay on. He had done exceptionally well given the players at our disposal this year. These 18 players have far too big egos for the good of waterford. They have done the county a disservice.

robopaddy · 12-08-2013 07:52PM

What a busy couple of days on the thread! I guess no one saw this coming its a pity it had to all happen the day the minors had their big win but I guess they felt there was no easy time to do what they did and the sooner it happened the sooner the search for a new man can start.

We can all be judgemental but we don't really know what the story is at this stage. All we know is its done and thats it but I would like to see someone from the players to make a statement they owe it to the waterford fans. If they do I think people will be more accepting and will move on.

Brad1234 · 12-08-2013 07:52PM

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Well you were against Ryan from day 1 so you must be absolutely delighted he's gone, you went very quiet on this after the Kilkenny game with the amount of people delighted with the performance. Darragh Fives was injured against Kilkenny you hardly thought he brought on tony browne just because he's tony browne.
You get me any manager in the country to coach this team, take away mullane and eoin kelly, then take into account the amount of people missing between working commitments, travelling and injuries and see how well they get on v Clare and Kilkenny.
Never met the man in my life, not from his local club either so you can stop talking about personal agendas.

But I have to agree with you with the minors, If that management team were any good they'd have beaten limerick in the 1st game, what kind of fellas are in charge at all? holding awards nights 2 days before the munster final sure what have they won yet this season? They still don't know what to do with the forward line, how Cormac Curran and Conor Gleeson don't start is beyond me. Roche and Farrell are too inconsistent but in fairness Roche wasn't fit enough yesterday, they'd want to sort out the goalkeeper puck outs too, hitting it straight to Kevin Daly who won't be allowed to get on the ball in the final. So many mistakes yesterday they'd seriously want to get it right for the final

Gleeson hasnt started cause the started enough games early on and did absolutely nothing.. I wouldnt have him near the team.. Cormac Curran is a great impact sub but i agree id have him in ahead of farrell.. Roche is a class act prob not his better day yesterday but he has chipped in with about 3 points from play in every other game at least..

i went quiet after KK game cause i was sick of the love in for an unsuccessful side.. You'd swear we won the game.. I dont like moral victories and the back slapping after losing a game we could easily have won as cork showed us with a team at a similar level was ridiculous...

Hidalgo · 12-08-2013 07:57PM

Does the Waterford Co Board necessarily need the finances for an outside manager, why not private backers.

Have someone in the board approach a few potential backers, tell them ye're interested in appointing whomever but the finances aren't there, is it possible for a group of private individuals to band together and form a package

if this is in the best interest of Waterford hurling

Mountainlad · 12-08-2013 07:57PM

Brad1234 wrote: »

Gleeson hasnt started cause the started enough games early on and did absolutely nothing.. I wouldnt have him near the team.. Cormac Curran is a great impact sub but i agree id have him in ahead of farrell.. Roche is a class act prob not his better day yesterday but he has chipped in with about 3 points from play in every other game at least..

i went quiet after KK game cause i was sick of the love in for an unsuccessful side.. You'd swear we won the game.. I dont like moral victories and the back slapping after losing a game we could easily have won as cork showed us with a team at a similar level was ridiculous...

http://tomasmccarthy.blogspot.ie/2013/08/waterford-minor-scorers-championship.html

Colm Roche has scored 2 more points than Gleeson this year. I think both are excellent young hurlers. Can't understand the motives of people who would openly berate 16 year olds I have to say.

Hidalgo · 12-08-2013 08:02PM

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Well you were against Ryan from day 1 so you must be absolutely delighted he's gone, you went very quiet on this after the Kilkenny game with the amount of people delighted with the performance. Darragh Fives was injured against Kilkenny you hardly thought he brought on tony browne just because he's tony browne.
You get me any manager in the country to coach this team, take away mullane and eoin kelly, then take into account the amount of people missing between working commitments, travelling and injuries and see how well they get on v Clare and Kilkenny.
Never met the man in my life, not from his local club either so you can stop talking about personal agendas.

But I have to agree with you with the minors, If that management team were any good they'd have beaten limerick in the 1st game, what kind of fellas are in charge at all? holding awards nights 2 days before the munster final sure what have they won yet this season? They still don't know what to do with the forward line, how Cormac Curran and Conor Gleeson don't start is beyond me. Roche and Farrell are too inconsistent but in fairness Roche wasn't fit enough yesterday, they'd want to sort out the goalkeeper puck outs too, hitting it straight to Kevin Daly who won't be allowed to get on the ball in the final. So many mistakes yesterday they'd seriously want to get it right for the final

Anyone claiming Eoin Kelly was a loss to Waterford this year is doting. Mullane on the other hand, most definitely

tomkelly99 · 12-08-2013 08:06PM

A serious TK post for once.

This has descended into a complete mess really and is pretty embarrassing for Waterford GAA after the events of 2011 and the ousting of Justin McCarthy. Who is in charge here? The county board? The 2012 panel of players? The 2013 panel?

Personally I think the players have really handled this situation very,very poorly. They have created a split in the county with their actions and you really have to wonder who is leading this or where they are getting their advice. Whether they are right or wrong in their decision is another debate but there are elements to this that really annoy me.

Firstly, the timing of the meeting was absolutely scandalous and one wonders was it deliberate? Today we should be talking about the fantastic achievements of our minors and instead we are mired in talk about division,secret meetings,the county board,the next manager etc.etc. Dont anyone tell me the timing of this announcement was not deliberate. Clearly,the intention was to have this story sneak under the radar amidst the Cork/Dublin game, the USPGA,the Community Shield and the minors victory. They knew what they were doing and unless I hear good reason otherwise that is what I will believe.

Secondly, who gives the 2012 panel (if that is who made the decision) the right to dictate who is appointed to the post of manager for the 2014 season? Damian Tiernan said on RTE that players have assured him this is not player power and that it's a county board decision.. Total bollocks. Of course their vote of no confidence in Ryan is going to influence whether he goes for the job again. Would you go for a managerial job knowing that you don't have the support of the players,particularly having worked with that group for two years? I doubt it.

Thirdly, rather than taking a vote,would it not have been cleaner and more constructive for the current panel of players to give feedback to the county board regarding issues with Ryan's tenure and try to either change the way things or done OR suggest that perhaps Ryan's 'contract' not be renewed?

Fourth, Waterford fans would have more respect for the players if they had handled this with a bit more class. A prepared statement detailing what happened,perhaps an interview with one of the leaders of the group to get an insight into what their thinking was, avoiding a clash with the minor game and finally actually thanking the man for giving two years of his life would have gone a long way to smoothing things over. Instead,we got nothing but rumours and denials. I don't deny them their right to express their opinions but at least be men and don't hide behind your anonymity.

So where to now? A very very messy period lies ahead of us, an unfortunate distraction ahead of an All-Ireland final. Expect more revelations to come out in the next few weeks. The press will have a field day. Unnamed sources everywhere. County board needs to be strong on this and for once show some leadership. With regards to Ryans replacement, any of the names from within the county are quite simply not up to senior inter-county standard. Not Queally,Hartley,McGrath,Kevin Ryan,McGrath,Cullinane or any others. Ryan himself first day probably wasn't up to it but he was appointed mainly as a stopgap as we simply could not afford anyone else. I don't accept this argument that we have to get someone from within the county as they 'will care more and give it a more honest effort etc.etc' The plain and simple fact of it is we have not produced coaches of a sufficient standard to coach the very top class teams. Our most successful periods in recent times have come with outside managers. Allen in Limerick and Daly in Dublin this year alone have proved the worth. Place of birth shouldn't come into it...experience and credentials should be the most important.

I would like Donal O'Grady to get the job - strong disciplinarian, good tactician, hugely experienced and takes no **** from nobody. Not sure about Donal Ógs credentials from a managerial point of view. He'd certainly be motivated. Sheedy obviously would be intriguing but the common denominator here is? The expense. Our inept county board is still pretty penniless, so whoever is appointed will be poorly paid and operating in a shoestring budget. This limits our options hugely so I can see us appointing one of the Waterford men mentioned previously. Whoever it is, lets give him a chance and who knows? We could be kings again sooner than we think!

@thetomkelly99

dzilla · 12-08-2013 08:18PM

Brian Flannery sh1tting on the past 24 hours about the hurlers, player power etc blaa blaa blaa on twatter..... is he not one of the players with quelly and greeners who opennly undermined justin macarthy in winter 2003 and question hus management.... Pot kettle black

doz · 12-08-2013 08:24PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Can't understand the motives of people who would openly berate 16 year olds I have to say.

Couldn't agree more, I would go so far as to say that the moderators should make a statement/charter as regards criticism of minor players. It is simply disgraceful to come on here openly criticising young kids who are doing their very best and representing their county and it is not the first time this member has done so.

Thinkstoomuch · 12-08-2013 08:29PM

doz wrote: »

Couldn't agree more, I would go so far as to say that the moderators should make a statement/charter as regards criticism of minor players. It is simply disgraceful to come on here openly criticising young kids who are doing their very best and representing their county and it is not the first time this member has done so.

Ger cunnigham Ul,wasnt he involved with ye in some way this year.

Our own Ger C,has a year left with JBM.

DALY ,id say will leave Dublin,he would be worth pursing .

Mountainlad · 12-08-2013 08:53PM

doz wrote: »

Couldn't agree more, I would go so far as to say that the moderators should make a statement/charter as regards criticism of minor players. It is simply disgraceful to come on here openly criticising young kids who are doing their very best and representing their county and it is not the first time this member has done so.

Spot on Doz, only one way to sort this.

WumBuster · 12-08-2013 09:12PM

Is there a need for a manager? Is there a need for a county board? Just let these players manage themselves and see how they get on. In no other county would this kind of debacle be tolerated. We seem to put the players up on too much of a pedastal in Waterford. Have they someone better in mind, who is affordable?

Did Ryan need to go? It was just some half hearted meeting with only half of the panel turning up, expressing their opinion, which seems to be far from unanimous. Of course we don't know what went on exactly, but maybe Ryan should have held his fire, met with the players and county board before making his decision rather than resigning immediately.

The county board may want Ryan to reconsider. I think he should take some time to reflect and do that. But my gut feeling is that the damage has been done and he will unlikely do a u-turn now. Not impressed at the way this has been handled by any of the parties involved. An absolute joke.

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