Mountainlad wrote: » Heard that the County Board aren't happy with the players. That they wanted to alter the backroom staff as has been mentioned I think, and that's what they said to the Board. Not sure how Michael Ryan comes into this, but I think it's possibly a case that he wasn't prepared to be have his backroom staff dictated to him by the players (again) and decided to go. I really hate the manner of all this. I would have backed the players fully in 2008, but they really shoot themselves in the foot with how they seem to be handling things. Having a meeting amongst themselves is one thing, you want the input of everybody and any things they would like to see change by a majority decision at the very leat. That's fair enough. But did they go then to Michael Ryan and the board, or just the board? If the board had to tell Ryan I wouldn't be impressed at all. In 2008, they went behind Justin's back. Now, personally I think Justin had some sort of opinion that he would be there forever and he treated several players very shabbily but still even if someone hasn't treated you right you don't lower your own standards. Hoping there'll be some confirmation of whether 2012 was a typo in the newspaper article today when used to describe the delegation of players that met in the Ramada. Will be very disappointed if it wasn't, as nobody from last years panel that isn't there this year has the right to be involved in a squad decision.
Mountainlad wrote: » Hoping there'll be some confirmation of whether 2012 was a typo in the newspaper article today when used to describe the delegation of players that met in the Ramada. Will be very disappointed if it wasn't, as nobody from last years panel that isn't there this year has the right to be involved in a squad decision.
doz wrote: » Could it be the case that they referred to it as the 2012 panel being that the current panel would have started training pre Xmas? Just a thought. The unpalatable alternative is that they simply didn't want to name those reportedly involved. I know there have been rumours flying around about Mullane possibly being involved but he was working with RTE Radio in Dublin on the minor game yesterday and I am refusing to contemplate that he was in any way involved unless the contrary is proven. I'm sure it will all come out in the wash eventually but it is a pretty embarrassing state of affairs and not for the first time we are the laughing stock of the hurling world.
Sam Swarek wrote: » The players may become untouchable as in no decent manager would get involved this after justins heave, ryans original selectors and now Ryan, that's 3 management teams shown the door by the players. I hope none of 2012 panel were involved in the meeting, they had no business being there or having a say, those lads were either dropped or retired before this year.
Sam Swarek wrote: » hard to see how Mullane would have been involved, he's cleverer than that and he'd have known it wasn't his place to be involved in any meeting. as you said he was in Dublin yesterday and he wrote on the paper today that he was surprised with ryan leaving so that's surely the truth, he wouldn't have wrote he wasn't involved on a national paper if he indeed was involved. give the man the benefit here.
Sam Swarek wrote: » I hope none of 2012 panel were involved in the meeting, they had no business being there or having a say, those lads were either dropped or retired before this year.
Brad1234 wrote: » Thanks for all you have done Michael but a change was needed.. Hurling people will see what is wrong bogeys on here will see a extra time loss to KK as an achievement.. He deserves respect for what he has done but his tactical awareness was clueless.. Throwing on Tony Browne v KK for Darragh fives who was probably MOTM was clueless at best and he was initially putting him on Full forward to lift the crowd haha.. We need a proper coach with good structure top class touch training like cork.. Our Template is Cork cause we always play like cork.. So there are in an all ireland final now are they really miles better than us.. No there not but they have a top class man in charge with an excellent backroom team and the players know exactly where they are going.. Now look at us.. At times this year when the game was there for the taking we looked clueless on the pitch or on the line.. he had Seamus Prender v KK as two in the inside line and he they were pinging balls from Corner to corner for a 33 year old to chase.. Can anyone not see the problem with that.. So you can huff and puff about how a lovely man ryan is and im sure he is but whats that got to do with waterford hurling? He brought fives back on then in extra time v KK and brought in Shane Walsh who couldnt walk? V Clare they missed a rake of scores in the second half and he told them with 20 mins to go to push up the field and the game in the melting pot.. Come on people leave your personal agendas aside just cause he may have said hello to you on the street.. This is waterford hurling which we want to be the best.. if you want to be the best you need to have the best people around the group which we certainly dont.. For the record i have from great authority they didnt want him out just backroom team to be shaken up and next they heard he was gone... Minors is another great example superb win yesterday but are they winning cause they are just that good cause to me (and i havent missed a game) they make the same mistakes over and over again.. What are the backroom team doing.. Going for goals when point is on.. Keepers puckouts are all over the place.. Some players unbelievably lucky to be still starting? over emphasis on handpassing and delivery to the forwards when its good scores come (prob 10 good balls out of at least 40 goes in) So i dont care what club you are or who you're friendly with this is waterford hurling.. If had a family member who was involved and they were poor id tell him not cover it up cause i know him well.. Waterford hurling is bigger than anyone so leave your agendas aside.. Sick of people on here barking on about how Ryan was hung out to dry when he most certainly wasn't and i commend his work but he wasnt going to bring us any further..
chinguetti wrote: » Players come out of this bad whatever way you look at it. Telling the county board they don't want Ryan or changes to the backroom staff is not their job in my mind. And if it is, they could talk to Ryan and co. to his face and not be cowards about it and go behind his back. I would say he was in Croker yesterday but seemingly the players weren't if they were at a meeting. Ryan mightn't be perfect or suitable for every Waterford fan but he's been badly treated in this mess. If the case is they didn't want the management, they must be blaming the management for every wide they hit in matches too i suppose. And to do it when the minors are playing in a semi final in Croke Park and the following day steal their thunder after a great victory, makes the players look petty in my mind. If they had won Munster or got to a semi final, they might have some purchase to look for changes. Everyone one and their dog knows the county board is broke so getting a big name is out and there's no money for extras. Also John Mullane left the panel by his own accord so if he has anything to do with a players meeting, it should have ended in 2012. He's not part of the panel in 2013 so he should have no voice and should be told thus, regardless of how great a player he was for Waterford.
robopaddy wrote: » Agreed. I wonder did the players think they could kind of sneak into the ramada under the radar on sunday morning knowing that the counties eyes would be fixed on croker. Also mullane calling for donal og cusack to be waterford manager in an article that cant have pencilled more than a few hours after ryan stepped down is crazily disrespectful. The whole thing just stinks for me
Mountainlad wrote: » Did you see that article in the print version or what';s going on? Couldn't find an article on Waterford by him at all in the Independent, and to be honest I'd find it quite surprising that he would have his name attributed to an article so soon after it happened.
deise_girl wrote: » This one? http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/donal-og-should-take-the-chance-to-lead-deise-29491299.html
Mountainlad wrote: » Thank you I must be awfully blind altogether! I guess they asked him to write the article, and they're paying him. There's not really too much in that to be honest.
Deise_2012 wrote: » Well you were against Ryan from day 1 so you must be absolutely delighted he's gone, you went very quiet on this after the Kilkenny game with the amount of people delighted with the performance. Darragh Fives was injured against Kilkenny you hardly thought he brought on tony browne just because he's tony browne. You get me any manager in the country to coach this team, take away mullane and eoin kelly, then take into account the amount of people missing between working commitments, travelling and injuries and see how well they get on v Clare and Kilkenny. Never met the man in my life, not from his local club either so you can stop talking about personal agendas. But I have to agree with you with the minors, If that management team were any good they'd have beaten limerick in the 1st game, what kind of fellas are in charge at all? holding awards nights 2 days before the munster final sure what have they won yet this season? They still don't know what to do with the forward line, how Cormac Curran and Conor Gleeson don't start is beyond me. Roche and Farrell are too inconsistent but in fairness Roche wasn't fit enough yesterday, they'd want to sort out the goalkeeper puck outs too, hitting it straight to Kevin Daly who won't be allowed to get on the ball in the final. So many mistakes yesterday they'd seriously want to get it right for the final
Brad1234 wrote: » Gleeson hasnt started cause the started enough games early on and did absolutely nothing.. I wouldnt have him near the team.. Cormac Curran is a great impact sub but i agree id have him in ahead of farrell.. Roche is a class act prob not his better day yesterday but he has chipped in with about 3 points from play in every other game at least.. i went quiet after KK game cause i was sick of the love in for an unsuccessful side.. You'd swear we won the game.. I dont like moral victories and the back slapping after losing a game we could easily have won as cork showed us with a team at a similar level was ridiculous...
Mountainlad wrote: » Can't understand the motives of people who would openly berate 16 year olds I have to say.
doz wrote: » Couldn't agree more, I would go so far as to say that the moderators should make a statement/charter as regards criticism of minor players. It is simply disgraceful to come on here openly criticising young kids who are doing their very best and representing their county and it is not the first time this member has done so.
