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Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

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  • #902
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,695 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    cdebru wrote: »
    As much as anyone here does....

    You have a point. From my own experience people view it as a job, no more no less. Same as a teacher, bin man, electrician or doctor.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #903
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    tomatosauce34 wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with the opinion I presented:confused:


    Yes it is you said you didn't like the public sector workers, they must be other passengers because DB drivers are not part of the public sector.


  • #904
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    bumper234 wrote: »
    How can you feel for Dublin bus drivers.

    Hard to feel anything when yet again standing at the bus stop this morning and the bus does not arrive. 20 min later the next one arrives and when you ask driver what happened to the earlier one he grunts about not his problem. Great customer service by that driver, wouldn't piss on one if he was on fire.

    That situation is probably down to the fact they take a full break no matter what knock on effects to the timetable are and the unions are fighting even the possibility of 10 minute flexibility on their breaks if the bus is delayed in arriving. I’d guess this is why 90% of the time you’re left sitting on the bus at changeover points waiting on the relief driver to come back from his full lunch. Being asked to be flexible by your employer about your breaks every now and again the obvious response – STRIKE!!!!!


  • #905
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    That situation is probably down to the fact they take a full break no matter what knock on effects to the timetable are and the unions are fighting even the possibility of 10 minute flexibility on their breaks if the bus is delayed in arriving. I’d guess this is why 90% of the time you’re left sitting on the bus at changeover points waiting on the relief driver to come back from his full lunch. Being asked to be flexible by your employer about your breaks every now and again the obvious response – STRIKE!!!!!

    Breaks at 6.45 in the morning? More likely using up one of their many sick days.


  • #906
    tomatosauce34
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25 ✭tomatosauce34


    cdebru wrote: »
    Yes it is you said you didn't like the public sector workers, they must be other passengers because DB drivers are not part of the public sector.

    No, I didn't. You drew an inference that I dislike public sector workers based on the content from one of my previous statements. I didn't actually state I dislike public sector workers.


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  • #907
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    cdebru wrote: »
    What did I keep secret ? I have been saying it is 38.5k from the start of this thread. Did you not see it I must have posted it 10 times.


    Who says I get paid too much ? you ?

    Well lets do some maths,

    €188
    €124.80 qualifying adult
    €29.80 full rate qualifying child (4 children =€119.20)

    total €432 per week x 52 = €22,464 per annum

    But it gets better Rent supplement €1000 a month that is €12,000 a year

    total €34,464 a year. ( or nearly €5000 better off than a bus driver per annum)

    Plus medical card, so free hospital, free doctor, and free medicine.

    Back to school allowance another €600,

    And you have the brass balls to tell me someone getting up at 4am one week finishing work at 1am the following week working weekends and bank holidays with a take home pay of 29.6k ( your figures) is over paid.

    You obviously have a bee in your bonnet but it is directed at the wrong people.


    How do you know what my qualifications are ? You know the saying never assume it makes an ass... etc etc

    Trust me I would not be working minimum wage apart from my qualifications, why would I ? I would go on the dole and be 5k a year better off.

    Your assumption that bus driving is a minimum wage job is based on what ?

    Lets do some maths, thats for 2 people on the dole so about 18k per person..........your mrs not work no?


  • #908
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    For doing nothing... I must be doing something wrong. :mad:
    This is supposed to be while someone is in between jobs. Im not getting into an argument of dole piss takers as its totally off topic but as stated above this is for 2 people on the dole with children. And you wont get that if your spouse is working so again you guys are selectively arguing to suit yourselves


  • #909
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Lets do some maths, thats for 2 people on the dole so about 18k per person..........your mrs not work no?

    Obviously


  • #910
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    cdebru wrote: »
    Plus they pay your rent up to €12,000 a year, seriously wondering WTF am I doing ????


    I can also see how why these guys are working for private operators getting paid into the hand, chances of being caught seem minimal, I was talking to someone last week, he is doing odd days for a private operator, working for BE gets €100 a day into his hand, I see now how it is worth his while, he is already better off than working for DB the few days here and there are just gravy.
    Yes everyone who is on the dole works in the black economy:rolleyes:

    Quit your job if your not happy and stop complaining


  • #911
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    This is supposed to be while someone is in between jobs. Im not getting into an argument of dole piss takers as its totally off topic but as stated above this is for 2 people on the dole with children. And you wont get that if your spouse is working so again you guys are selectively arguing to suit yourselves

    But why would you need those type of payments between work if someone with a take home pay of 29.6k is over paid ???


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  • #912
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    cdebru wrote: »
    Don't be a fool man don't use DB wages tell him what you would get for lying in bed, it is much more.

    My mindset really, I have never been unemployed in my life,
    It points out that you people are full of **** which is good enough for me.
    Thats because with your unions you can do sweet **** all and get away with it without ever having your job threatened. Again living with your heads in the clouds


  • #913
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    This is supposed to be while someone is in between jobs. Im not getting into an argument of dole piss takers as its totally off topic but as stated above this is for 2 people on the dole with children. And you wont get that if your spouse is working so again you guys are selectively arguing to suit yourselves


    How is stating a fact "selective"? Any more than stating facts can be "sensational"? Afaik, they do nothing in return for this money so...that makes it money for nothing, unlike my money - which is money in exchange for work. Simple.


  • #914
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Yes everyone who is on the dole works in the black economy:rolleyes:

    Quit your job if your not happy and stop complaining


    A lot of them work for the private transport sector you sing the praises of, that is why they pay cash in the hand.

    Other wise how do you think they could survive in this country, the low paid private sector transport is just a nixer, no one can survive on those wages if they played by the rules.


  • #915
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Thats because with your unions you can do sweet **** all and get away with it without ever having your job threatened. Again living with your heads in the clouds

    How do you know this ???

    People get sacked from DB all the time nothing unusual.


  • #916
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    cdebru wrote: »
    A lot of them work for the private transport sector you sing the praises of, that is why they pay cash in the hand.

    Other wise how do you think they could survive in this country, the low paid private sector transport is just a nixer, no one can survive on those wages if they played by the rules.

    Weren't you saying just a few posts ago DB workers aren't public sector workers?


  • #917
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    How is stating a fact "selective"? Any more than stating facts can be "sensational"? Afaik, they do nothing in return for this money so...that makes it money for nothing, unlike my money - which is money in exchange for work. Simple.

    Indeed some people have never worked a day in their life, and are getting this kind of money, while the right wing wonders here think it is people working they should be chasing after.

    Vote no btw


  • #918
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    wexie wrote: »
    Weren't you saying just a few posts ago DB workers aren't public sector workers?


    correct they aren't they are a semi state company that is not the public sector, see you are learning.


  • #919
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    cdebru wrote: »
    correct they aren't they are a semi state company that is not the public sector, see you are learning.

    't aint bloody private sector either I can tell you that much.


  • #920
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    cdebru wrote: »
    Because I don't have 8 kids,


    No one driving a bus under 23 years old in DB


    Most people in DB are married with kids, most again are the sole earner in their household.


    Not suggesting welfare should be cut, just that working people need to be protected as well.
    Tell your mrs to go out and get a job so if you cant possibly survive on your inflated wages. Dont expect the rest of us to subsidize your income similar to social welfare


  • #921
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    JRant wrote: »
    And of course you speak for everyone.
    the people who believed during the boom that certain jobs were beneeth them don't change their opinions no matter how they try and make you believe they have

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #922
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Hard to feel anything when yet again standing at the bus stop this morning and the bus does not arrive.
    its called heavy traffic, even busses can be effected by it
    bumper234 wrote: »
    20 min later the next one arrives and when you ask driver what happened to the earlier one he grunts about not his problem. Great customer service by that driver, wouldn't piss on one if he was on fire.
    it isn't his problem, maybe he didn't know anything, all though he could have just said i don't know

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #923
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    How is stating a fact "selective"? Any more than stating facts can be "sensational"? Afaik, they do nothing in return for this money so...that makes it money for nothing, unlike my money - which is money in exchange for work. Simple.
    Ok well lets cut the dole and the rest and all public spending maybe lets invest in little trocaire boxs with pictures of irish people on them. Will you come off it, people on the dole have lost jobs and payed their taxes like everyone else. I was on it last year for 4 months between jobs so does that mean me and my family deseaved to die of starvation. The quicker we sort out stupid public spending like this the fast we can get these people off the dole and back to work.


  • #924
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    cdebru wrote: »
    A lot of them work for the private transport sector you sing the praises of, that is why they pay cash in the hand.

    Other wise how do you think they could survive in this country, the low paid private sector transport is just a nixer, no one can survive on those wages if they played by the rules.
    Yes they can. Most families now a day have both spouses out working. Your stuck in the 70s. Ye have to do what you have to do to make a living.


  • #925
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,695 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    end of the road wrote: »
    the people who believed during the boom that certain jobs were beneeth them don't change their opinions no matter how they try and make you believe they have

    I'm sorry, that's just plain wrong. Just because people choose different career paths doesn't automatically mean every one of them looks down on bus drivers. There's no need for the inferiority complex.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #926
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Dont expect the rest of us to subsidize your income similar to social welfare

    *cough*farmers*cough*
    *cough*self employed*cough*


  • #927
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    cdebru wrote: »
    Indeed some people have never worked a day in their life, and are getting this kind of money, while the right wing wonders here think it is people working they should be chasing after.

    Vote no btw
    Off topic again but while were at it my view of people who never worked a day in their life is they should be forced to work in the public sector.

    Stop brandishing everyone on the dole with the same brush. Some people got unlucky and signed on for the first time in their working careers since the crash.


  • #928
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Ok well lets cut the dole and the rest and all public spending maybe lets invest in little trocaire boxs with pictures of irish people on them. Will you come off it, people on the dole have lost jobs and payed their taxes like everyone else. I was on it last year for 4 months between jobs so does that mean me and my family deseaved to die of starvation. The quicker we sort out stupid public spending like this the fast we can get these people off the dole and back to work.

    This may surprise you, but some people dont want to come off the dole. They're the same ones who were on the dole during the boom when there were plenty of jobs available. They are a completely different kettle of fish to the recently unemployed through no fault of their own - though I suspect you know that, you just want to be hysterical and shriek about trocaire boxes and starvation (no funny btw when there actually ARE children dying from hunger every day).


  • #929
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    JRant wrote: »
    I'm sorry, that's just plain wrong. Just because people choose different career paths doesn't automatically mean every one of them looks down on bus drivers.
    that wasn't what i said and you know it, what i said was their is a large section of society who during the boom chose a career path based on the social standing of the job they chose and felt other jobs were beneeth them (i've met such people) i believe people like that don't change their opinions in relation to such jobs.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #930
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    This may surprise you, but some people dont want to come off the dole. They're the same ones who were on the dole during the boom when there were plenty of jobs available. They are a completely different kettle of fish to the recently unemployed through no fault of their own - though I suspect you know that, you just want to be hysterical and shriek about trocaire boxes and starvation (no funny btw when there actually ARE children dying from hunger every day).

    Yes there are and My statement was not made to be a joke and for that I apologize if you somehow took me up wrong.


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  • #931
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    end of the road wrote: »
    that wasn't what i said and you know it, what i said was their is a large section of society who during the boom chose a career path based on the social standing of the job they chose and felt other jobs were beneeth them (i've met such people) i believe people like that don't change their opinions in relation to such jobs.
    Irrelevant the lot of it, change the record


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