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Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

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  • #362
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yes I support them. This constant race to the bottom salary wise/working condition wise is killing everybody slowly!


  • #363
    Thom Merrilin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Thom Merrilin


    kceire wrote: »
    Yes I support them. This constant <market correction of appropriate remuneration dependent on skills required in job> is killing everybody slowly!

    FYP. Let's face it - you don't need to be a genius to drive a bus. We won't evolve and progress as a society when bus drivers are paid more than scientists.


  • #364
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    My daughter is a low paid healthcare assistant in Crumlin Childrens Hospital.
    Like hundreds of thousands of others she is unable to get to work by bus today, so I will be dropping her off and collecting her until this bunch of overpaid gits have their strike broken.
    I am just wondering how many other frontline healthcare staff will be inconvenienced or unable to get to work today because of these gougers.


  • #365
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    No I don't support them. Throwing your toys out of your pram because you can't hold onto Celtic Tiger levels of overtime is pathetic. Putting others livelihoods in danger because you operate as a monopoly is also wrong. The sooner direct competition is introduced the better so people can dump this semi state dinosaur and allow it decay into obscurity.


  • #366
    ush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    Thom Merrilin wrote: »
    FYP. Let's face it - you don't need to be a genius to drive a bus. We won't evolve and progress as a society when bus drivers are paid more than scientists.

    Someone in India can do that scientist's job for a fraction.


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  • #367
    Thom Merrilin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Thom Merrilin


    ush wrote: »
    Someone in India can do that scientist's job for a fraction.

    Yeah but it's safe to say their scientists make more than their bus drivers. A situation the other way round can only arise when bloated unions with over-inflated opinions of themselves and their jobs bully the public and the government into accepting their demands.


  • #368
    king size mars bar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭king size mars bar


    wonder if there would be as much uproar if bus operators outside dublin went on strike, one day and people haveing problems getting to work in our great capital, they should live outside dublin for a week , no transport and no jobs!


  • #369
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Not much support here. Like most public departments and employment they make serious extra money from allowances for this, that and the other, and abnormal amounts of overtime. Their basic salary is not being cut, but their excess and allowances are, which I can see they are aggrevied as it hits them in the pocket.

    Figures this morning released outline that on average last year bus drivers when totalled with their allowances earn in excess of 50k per annum. When unions and representative bodies discuss their members salaries and impacts, they never include the allowances and overtime, always sighting the basic salary.

    This morning the assistant secretary was on Newstalk saying how the average member is on industrial minimum wage, my ****ing hole. Anyone who has a relative that works in the public sector knows how it works.

    Sorry but the country is in a poor financial state. Dublin Bus is already an overpriced service for what is an underfunded and poorly ran business. Compared to pretty much anywhere else in Europe, it is a pretty bad joke. Moves need to be made in order to bring the bus service into an efficient operable state, and making sure it's cost effective and can be a viable alternative to driving or cycling, which at present it is not. And the start is by removing the generous allowances and overtime paid.


  • #370
    ush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    Thom Merrilin wrote: »
    Yeah but it's safe to say their scientists make more than their bus drivers. A situation the other way round can only arise when bloated unions with over-inflated opinions of themselves and their jobs bully the public and the government into accepting their demands.

    I see. The social progress you mentioned earlier. What else can we learn from India?


  • #371
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    In a country with 440,000 people out of work striking because of some overtime pay and roster changes frankly, is f**king ludicrous.


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  • #372
    ush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Sorry but the country is in a poor financial state. Dublin Bus is already an overpriced service for what is an underfunded and poorly ran business. Compared to pretty much anywhere else in Europe, it is a pretty bad joke. Moves need to be made in order to bring the bus service into an efficient operable state, and making sure it's cost effective and can be a viable alternative to driving or cycling, which at present it is not. And the start is by removing the generous allowances and overtime paid.

    Always wondered if the problem is Dublin and not Dublin Bus. How much better would it get with competition given the infrastructure and lay out of the city?


  • #373
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    ush wrote: »
    Always wondered if the problem is Dublin and not Dublin Bus. How much better would it get with competition given the infrastructure and lay out of the city?

    This is just another example of how the boom time money was pissed away.

    Dublin needs an underground metro system, there is far too much reliance on the bus network.


  • #374
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    I passed by the picket at the Ringsend Road bus depot this morning.
    I hadn't realised that normal parking regulations were also suspended during strike action.
    Car parked all along Rinsgend Road/Pearse St on double yellow lines.
    I guess it's too much to expect striking workers to park legally or pay for parking like the rest of us.


  • #375
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Frank Black wrote: »
    I passed by the picket at the Ringsend Road bus depot this morning.
    I hadn't realised that normal parking regulations were also suspended during strike action.
    Car parked all along Rinsgend Road/Pearse St on double yellow lines.
    I guess it's too much to expect striking workers to park legally or pay for parking like the rest of us.

    Inform the local Gardaí! Sure it's just up the road from the station in Pearse street!


  • #376
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Frank Black wrote: »
    I passed by the picket at the Ringsend Road bus depot this morning.
    I hadn't realised that normal parking regulations were also suspended during strike action.
    Car parked all along Rinsgend Road/Pearse St on double yellow lines.
    I guess it's too much to expect striking workers to park legally or pay for parking like the rest of us.

    ****ing disgraceful and not a chance guards or clampers will head down that way.


  • #377
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    A round of layoffs will cool their courage


  • #378
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,794 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    A round of layoffs will cool their courage

    A round of layoffs would turn the whole thing nasty and probably lead to a General Strike. You don't want to go there.

    I just hope both parties figure how to give a little while achieving the desired cost savings and they resolve it over the next couple of days


  • #379
    WhatNowForUs?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭WhatNowForUs?


    fl4pj4ck wrote: »
    Debated? It's the workers that facing a court order decide to go on strike. It's been debaded for last 14 months.

    Yes - debated so much we still don't even know what the Bus Drivers are getting.


  • #380
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Inform the local Gardaí! Sure it's just up the road from the station in Pearse street!

    Ringsend Road is policed by Irishtown Garda station for whoever wants to report it :)

    Or just phone up the clampers(DSPS) on 01 602 2500 ;)


  • #381
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,740 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    cdebru wrote: »
    Its 2013 not 1913 it didn't work then it wont work now, pity some people just want to drag people backwards.

    If you want to see what non unionised world looks like take a trip over to Microsoft, the agency workers on temp contracts, just over minimum wage, forced to work weekends , overtime to get those end of period returns done with no pay and then after 6 months have to reapply for a job most don't get because they want them out of there before they have any rights.
    of course we should be happy to have them here so we just kiss their ass in case they move, not that it would make much difference as they mostly exploit young foreign people.
    Bollox I have worked for Intel, IBM and Motorola all non unionised companies all a joy to work for. Plenty of benefits, profit sharing etc. the work for force is very dynamic and hence the companies are successful and the employees are happy. I work with unionised companies and they are horrible to work for, far to much red tape a d politics in play.


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  • #382
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Inform the local Gardaí! Sure it's just up the road from the station in Pearse street!

    Have you seen how the Gards park outside Pearse St?


  • #383
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    kceire wrote: »
    Yes I support them. This constant race to the bottom salary wise/working condition wise is killing everybody slowly!

    Yet everyone is giving out becauss prices are so high in this country.

    How do companies survive if they cant make savings on their biggest cost?


  • #384
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    so around 68% of boards users dont support the drivers, this is farily damning though at the same time i cant see why 32% of people support them. ive seen people say they support them, but as yet, no good reasons why.

    would be interesting to see if this changes as the strike goes on, cant see people supporting them for too long as their greed gets more and more. the only way to sort this is to stop paying them.


  • #385
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Replace the drivers with Johnny cab drivers from total recall


  • #386
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,794 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    so around 68% of boards users dont support the drivers, this is farily damning though at the same time i cant see why 32% of people support them. ive seen people say they support them, but as yet, no good reasons why.

    would be interesting to see if this changes as the strike goes on, cant see people supporting them for too long as their greed gets more and more. the only way to sort this is to stop paying them.

    Your 'poll' isn't an indicator of anything given the nature of the options.


  • #387
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »

    How do companies survive if they cant make savings on their biggest cost?

    In the private sector, they don't.

    In the public sector, the taxpayers bail them out.


  • #388
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    cdebru wrote: »
    Its 2013 not 1913 it didn't work then it wont work now, pity some people just want to drag people backwards.

    If you want to see what non unionised world looks like take a trip over to Microsoft, the agency workers on temp contracts, just over minimum wage, forced to work weekends , overtime to get those end of period returns done with no pay and then after 6 months have to reapply for a job most don't get because they want them out of there before they have any rights.
    of course we should be happy to have them here so we just kiss their ass in case they move, not that it would make much difference as they mostly exploit young foreign people.

    More rubbish.
    Agency workers have since December 2011 , by law, the exact same rights,entitlements, and pay as their full time/non agency collegues.
    http://www.canavanbyrne.ie/news-resources/latest-news/56-equal-treatment-for-agency-workers

    Article 5 of the Directive provides that "the basic working pay and conditions of temporary agency workers shall be, for the duration of their assignment at a user undertaking, at least those that would apply if they had been recruited directly by that undertaking to occupy the same job." The Directive defines "basic working and employment conditions" as relating to "the duration of working time, overtime, breaks, rest periods, night work, holidays and public holidays" and "pay".


  • #389
    Chairman Meow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    My wife works minimum wage, for her to get a taxi into town and home, its half her days wages gone on that alone.
    I support striking if its a real last resort, but if theyre striking because their OT is being cut, then this is a bit of a joke. And its a bloody massive inconvenience for us


  • #390
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    sive seen people say they support them, but as yet, no good reasons why.

    in your opinion of course...


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  • #391
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Uriel. wrote: »
    in your opinion of course...

    so can you outline the reasons to support them then?


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