Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:16PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

It wasn't me who raised the correlation between the death penalty and homicide rates.
Someone mentioned the U.S and implied they had a homicide rate going through the roof, despite the death penalty. when it's actually around the global average.
Given it's gun ownership and rich-poor divide, I'd imagine they'd have a higher rate if they weren't as tough on crime.

They do have a higher rate than comparable countries such as western developed countries. Using averages brings places like Mexico and Colombia which have internal wars.

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 08:26PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

To be clear it's not available in the uk or Germany as a punishment. Convicted offenders can apply for it voluntarily only.

It's used as a plea bargain and or part of early release.
A horrific serial rapist was released last week in Spain only after he agreed to castration.
Had he not agreed he'd have stayed in jail.
Sounds logical.

Jumboman · 04-08-2013 08:28PM

Their was a story in the papers recently about a english man living in cork who had being convicted of rape on 4 separate occasions.

Somebody like that is never going to change so why keep them alive ?

If we had the death penalty for sex offenders who reoffend it would dramatically reduce the number of sex crimes.

But the mary robinson brigade will want to defend the "human rights" of sex offenders.

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 08:30PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

They do have a higher rate than comparable countries such as western developed countries. Using averages brings places like Mexico and Colombia which have internal wars.

Would Russia be a comparable country.
Both are developed, both in the G8, strong economies, and educated classes.
It's more than double the U.S homicide.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:34PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Would Russia be a comparable country.
Both are developed, both in the G8, strong economies, and educated classes.
It's more than double the U.S homicide.

Russia still has it on its statute books but it hasn't been used since 1996. Also Russia has numerous separatist regions where crime is significantly higher than the norm. The USA doesn't have that.

epluribusunum · 04-08-2013 08:37PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I would but only in circumstances where it would be appropriate and if the sentence was carried out quickly (within 12 months). I think the death penalty for some crimes is necessary, eg, premeditated murder, serial rape, child abuse. Who agrees with me?

I support it.

If monsters like the Boston Bombers did that horrible act in Dublin to kill one of my loved ones I would dismiss their right to live. I would rather have them dead than have them living in a prison for the rest of their life on the dime of the tax payers.

I also find it funny how many people support abortion and point out that it "decreases potential crime" from someone who never had the choice to exist, but yet many of those same people say that when an adult commits a terrible act they somehow have the right to live. That has always puzzled me.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:44PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Their was a story in the papers recently about a english man living in cork who had being convicted of rape on 4 separate occasions.

Somebody like that is never going to change so why keep them alive ?

If we had the death penalty for sex offenders who reoffend it would dramatically reduce the number of sex crimes.

But the mary robinson brigade will want to defend the "human rights" of sex offenders.

Where do you stop? If you have it for rape surely you should have it for armed robbery, repeat burglars etc. And you are also assuming like all pro death penslty advocates that because someone is opposed to the death penalty they are automatically soft on crime. Nonsense.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:46PM

epluribusunum wrote: »

I support it.

If monsters like the Boston Bombers did that horrible act in Dublin to kill one of my loved ones I would dismiss their right to live. I would rather have them dead than have them living in a prison for the rest of their life on the dime of the tax payers.

Thankfully we don't let victims decide justice and punishment.

epluribusunum · 04-08-2013 08:49PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Thankfully we don't let victims decide justice and punishment.

That did not refute anything I said, but okay?

By the way the USA does have separate regions where crime is exceptionally higher than the average. They're called Cleveland, Chicago, D.C. just to name a few.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:52PM

epluribusunum wrote: »

That did not refute anything I said, but okay?

By the way the USA does have separate regions where crime is exceptionally higher than the average. They're called Cleveland, Chicago, D.C. just to name a few.

I said separatist, not separate. You know like Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan etc.

old hippy · 04-08-2013 08:58PM

epluribusunum wrote: »

I support it.

If monsters like the Boston Bombers did that horrible act in Dublin to kill one of my loved ones I would dismiss their right to live. I would rather have them dead than have them living in a prison for the rest of their life on the dime of the tax payers.

I also find it funny how many people support abortion and point out that it "decreases potential crime" from someone who never had the choice to exist, but yet many of those same people say that when an adult commits a terrible act they somehow have the right to live. That has always puzzled me.

Adult = sentient human being. Foetus = clump of cells.

Death penalty = state sanctioned murder. Abortion = medical procedure.

The death penalty is barbaric and is not justice - it's old testament style vengeance.

epluribusunum · 04-08-2013 08:59PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I said separatist, not separate. You know like Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan etc.

Right, but how does that change the magnitude of a crime?

You were saying that there are separatist regions, and that the USA does not have that. Yes, that may be true but you then went ahead and said that the US does not have certain areas of higher crime rate than other certain regions in the US and that Russia does. That is not true. American inner cities are much more violent that the average American suburb. What is the importance of a separatist region? Just because there is a different political history, it does not really mean anything in terms of a heinous act. A murder in Dagestan is the same as a murder in NYC, is it not?

Gatling · 04-08-2013 09:03PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Would you happy to leave the EU and rescind the European Convention on Human Rights to bring it back? It also isn't a deterrent to crime. It reduces society to the same level as the criminal and it's irreversible in the case of a mistake (which do happen). Also where were all you pro death people in 2001?

Absolutely

The British have the right get out and have your own bill that doesn't favour the scum

epluribusunum · 04-08-2013 09:03PM

old hippy wrote: »

Adult = sentient human being. Foetus = clump of cells.

Death penalty = state sanctioned murder. Abortion = medical procedure.

The death penalty is barbaric and is not justice - it's old testament style vengeance.

1) An adult is also a "clump of cells."
2) Lethal injection is also a medical procedure.
3) Completely subjective, not really any logic used.

old hippy · 04-08-2013 09:04PM

epluribusunum wrote: »

A murder in Dagestan is the same as a murder in NYC, is it not?

Yes but maybe for different reasons. There's opportunistic murders, spur of the moment, wilful, state murder, political, religious and so on.

None justified.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 09:10PM

Gatling wrote: »

Absolutely

The British have the right get out and have your own bill that doesn't favour the scum

It is also abolished in the UK as they are members of the EU and the ECHR.

epluribusunum · 04-08-2013 09:21PM

old hippy wrote: »

Adult = sentient human being. Foetus = clump of cells.

Death penalty = state sanctioned murder. Abortion = medical procedure.

The death penalty is barbaric and is not justice - it's old testament style vengeance.

1) An adult is also a "clump of cells."
2) Lethal injection is also a medical procedure.
3) Completely subjective, not really any logic used.

Furthermore, I like how you used the word "sentient." Good choice. Sentient: Able to perceive or feel things.

If an adult is a "sentient" human being, than shouldn't they be able to understand the consequences of their awful acts? If the Boston bombers were so "sentient" than how come they walked along a crowded group of people, looked them in the eye, knowingly dropped 2 bombs, and then watched people fear for their lives?

If they are sentient than that means they knowingly did that and were able to know how their acts would make others feel. So you believe that the kid deserves to live the rest of his life in prison feeding off the tax payer money- the same people he tried to destroy?

But yet, a "clump of cells" -which we are also by the way, let's not forget that- is justifiably murdered? Huh, doesn't make sense to me.

04-08-2013 09:26PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

It wasn't me who raised the correlation between the death penalty and homicide rates.
Someone mentioned the U.S and implied they had a homicide rate going through the roof, despite the death penalty. when it's actually around the global average.
Given it's gun ownership and rich-poor divide, I'd imagine they'd have a higher rate if they weren't as tough on crime.

No.

Some mentioned the U.S and showed that states without capital punishment had a lower murder rate, than states with capital punishment.

It wasn't a difficult post to comprehend.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-08-2013 09:30PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Everyone I've spoken to about it (all ordinary law abiding folk, not the PC Brigade and tree-huggers that infest internet forums) would vote for the death penalty in a referendum!

What, three women and a cat down the pub? Hardly represetative.

All sides of the political spectum would unite in urging people to vote no because they know it would be economic suicide. And not just because we'll be kicked out of the EU.

worded · 04-08-2013 09:35PM

Would it be better to reintroduce it and give the person on death row a choice?

Leave a lethal injection in their cell but play pat Kenny on speakers outside the cell on repeat 24/7

That way society is absolved from the inevitable

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-08-2013 10:17PM

jwkbyrne wrote: »

We'll let's hope u and yrs r never a victim????

I'm changing my position. Death to people who use txtspk.

worded · 04-08-2013 10:19PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm changing my position. Death to people who use txtspk.

+1

Or a TLA

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 10:20PM

jwkbyrne wrote: »

We'll let's hope u and yrs r never a victim????

What????

Hitchens · 04-08-2013 10:22PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm changing my position.

yeah, try it standing up for a change

Artful_Badger · 04-08-2013 10:23PM

Haven't read the entire thread, so before ya bother I dont care whats been gone over already. Death penalty should be reintroduced for repeat offenders. Such people have no place in society.

jwkbyrne · 04-08-2013 11:24PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm changing my position. Death to people who use txtspk.

You know what, u really are a pain in the ass princess, , im on a phone and the dictionary annoys me,and I find it amazing that somebody who says they can speak fluent Irish, can be such an idiot.oh and if you must know im blind in one eye, smartass, will I translate that to Irish for you.

Mod: Banned

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-08-2013 11:49PM

jwkbyrne wrote: »

You know what, u really are a pain in the ass princess, , im on a phone and the dictionary annoys me,and I find it amazing that somebody who says they can speak fluent Irish, can be such an idiot.oh and if you must know im blind in one eye, smartass, will I translate that to Irish for you.

Seriously. It's a pain in the ass to read and comes across as massively disrespectful. You couldn't be bothered writing it, yet you expect people to read it. Still, apologies if I hae offended.

Regarding the bit in bold: ????

Gatling · 04-08-2013 11:53PM

What just happened

Txt peak and os gailge

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 12:04AM

Gatling wrote: »

What just happened

Txt peak and os gailge

Txt fkl.

end of the road · 05-08-2013 12:30AM

jwkbyrne wrote: »

As far as im concerned anybody who thinks there shouldn't be a death penalty allows these monsters to live amongst us, sum people r not human and deserve to die, and I know it was England, but im just using that as an example.

your post doesn't make sense, just a load of sensationalist crap, stop reading gutter trash rags

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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