were people really that guillable in the 80's?

nino1 · 04-08-2013 12:25PM #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd8CfvF9P-E

Can you imagine how this would be received today?
Its amazing how everyone including the presenter seem to be falling for this hook line and sinker without even questioning it!!
Were people more guillable back then?

I've looked up these two guys and incredibly they are still pulling the same stunt and making good money from it.
I assume that there aren't as many people falling for it today as back then but there are still in "business" so there must be a fair few.

Two questions
1) were people more gullible back then or does it just show Gaybo's stupidity and the stupidity of a few members of the audience

2) show practices like this with no science or recognised profession be illegal? Disgraceful behaviour praying on the insecurities of people who are ill and vunerable and are so desperate that they will try anything with the hope of a cure.

biko · 04-08-2013 12:31PM

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

Frosty McSnowballs · 04-08-2013 12:33PM

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

It was acceptable in the 80's!

Panthro · 04-08-2013 12:33PM

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

Bio energy.
It's still pretty common today OP, Bio energy, Reki etc alternative healing techniques.
People believe in what they want to believe in.

Menas · 04-08-2013 12:34PM

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

I can't be arsed watching the 15 minute youtube video after the click....so OP what's this about and is it really worth a new thread and watching a 15 minute video?

tommy2bad · 04-08-2013 12:34PM

Bio Energy Healing, bit of a craze back in the day the way holistic and homeopathic medicine was.
Load of guff but people do go for it! I blame stupidity and ignorance.
http://www.bioenergyhealingandbeyond.com/bioenergy_healing

nino1 · 04-08-2013 12:36PM

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

fair enough, I'll give a summary as its 15 minutes long!

Basically these two cowboys, come on the late late with Gaybo, say they can cure any illness with a technique called bio-energy where they just wave there hands around the person without touching them for 4 hours.

There are still at it today and charge €100 per hour! And you may not be cured the first time so will have to come back again for a few more visits!!

Gay does not even question it for a second and thats it as gospel!
Really talks it up and says how amazing it is!

Unbelievable stuff!

Rosy Posy · 04-08-2013 12:37PM

Looks like a combination of Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Chi Flow/Chakra Balancing. Its a fairly common form of alternative therapy. Plenty of people still fall for it/benefit from it today, depending on your outlook. The theory is pretty consistent with a lot of alternative therapies on the market today too.

IMO there's no harm in it as long as you don't use it as a substitute for professional medical care.

The thing that I find so bizarre about it is that they appear to be two fairly straight laced prison officers in suits and they're treating a bunch of aul wans and aul fellas in cardigans and they're on the Late Late Show. Not a fringy skirt or rainbow poncho in sight.

PS What's with the vintage Gaybo threads today? Release his tight ar$ed conservative stranglehold on the country ffs!

biko · 04-08-2013 12:39PM

Chinese medicine and acupuncture has been around thousands of years whereas modern medicine has been around a couple hundred years.
I wouldn't be so quick to disapprove of treatments as old as time itself.

Modern treatments, such as pills or radiation, has many side effects and often you have to take one pill to counter side effects of another pill. That doesn't seem like great medicine to me.

Bio energy healing may be hocus pocus but if it helps the affected person, that's all I care about.

bullpost · 04-08-2013 12:40PM

That's the answer to your question then!

nino1 wrote: »

There are still at it today and charge €100 per hour!

shamrock55 · 04-08-2013 12:40PM

So if they are still doing it now shouldnt the title be were people in the 80s 90s 00s and whatever its called now so gullable??

Menas · 04-08-2013 12:43PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

So if they are still doing it now shouldnt the title be were people in the 80s 90s 00s and whatever its called now so gullable??

Or go for the snappy title "Why are people so guillable?"

Panthro · 04-08-2013 12:47PM

Chi healers sets paper on fire..arrgghh! 1.50 in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q

Rosy Posy · 04-08-2013 12:47PM

nino1 wrote: »

There are still at it today and charge €100 per hour! And you may not be cured the first time so will have to come back again for a few more visits!!

This is taking the pi$$. You can only (barely) justify that kind of fee if you've spent years studying and becoming an expert in the field (ie a consultant). They should have a no cure no fee policy and charge once off for the cure regardless of how long it takes. Surely that can't be good for their karma or whatever?

Canis Lupus · 04-08-2013 12:49PM

Nothing to do with the 80's. Plenty of morons still believe in it. Just drop into the spirituality forum and be depressed at the numbers who believe in Reiki.

Sam Kade · 04-08-2013 12:49PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Or go for the snappy title "Why are people so guillable?"

What the op is trying to hint at is "I wasn't around in the 80's and now I know everything" :rolleyes:

anncoates · 04-08-2013 12:52PM

biko wrote: »

Iwhat's this about?

Heartbreakingly little.

Choochtown · 04-08-2013 12:56PM

Lot of rubbish.

If you really need to be healed go to Lourdes.

Or Knock.

Or the 7th son of a 7th son etc.

Canis Lupus · 04-08-2013 12:56PM

biko wrote: »

Chinese medicine and acupuncture has been around thousands of years whereas modern medicine has been around a couple hundred years.
I wouldn't be so quick to disapprove of treatments as old as time itself.

Modern treatments, such as pills or radiation, has many side effects and often you have to take one pill to counter side effects of another pill. That doesn't seem like great medicine to me.

Bio energy healing may be hocus pocus but if it helps the affected person, that's all I care about.

Dara o Briain said it best "Oh, herbal medicine's been around for thousands of years!" Indeed it has, and then we tested it all, and the stuff that worked became 'medicine'. And the rest of it is just a nice bowl of soup and some potpourri, so knock yourselves out".

Play To Kill · 04-08-2013 01:08PM

nino1 wrote: »

Were people more guillable back then?

Maybe we were but it's hard to know because the majority of people were busy with the moving statues and didn't have time to be taken in by hocus pocus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZjM83wZmWw

solas111 · 04-08-2013 01:09PM

biko wrote: »

Chinese medicine and acupuncture has been around thousands of years whereas modern medicine has been around a couple hundred years.
I wouldn't be so quick to disapprove of treatments as old as time itself.

Modern treatments, such as pills or radiation, has many side effects and often you have to take one pill to counter side effects of another pill. That doesn't seem like great medicine to me.

Bio energy healing may be hocus pocus but if it helps the affected person, that's all I care about.

You are right. I have no idea if any of that alternative stuff such as bio-energy works and much or all of it may be fake. However, down through history people have insisted that they knew best, only to be proven wrong later. Did they not threaten to burn people at the cross for maintaining that the earth was round?

The only thing I know for certain is that mankind still has a lot to learn and what may seem ridiculous today will often be accepted as fact tomorrow.

Duggy747 · 04-08-2013 01:13PM

In the 80's? There's still loads of attention for that hippy, "western medicine" hating, cynical market with all sorts of businesses operating and cleaning up with insane prices.

How do you know if someone is a "professional" in alternative medicine?

They'll try selling you one of their 70 trillion different annual books / magical diluted flower juice.

nino1 · 04-08-2013 01:14PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

So if they are still doing it now shouldnt the title be were people in the 80s 90s 00s and whatever its called now so gullable??

no, because from the show everybody seemed to buy it hook line and sinker without questioning. There will always be gullable people out there but this wouldn't get taken like gospel today on the late late!

Artful_Badger · 04-08-2013 01:21PM

I think these guys would have thrived in the old days going from town to town when information and education wasnt great. Then when TV took hold of peoples attention they had a brief stint of nationwide recognition before most people copped on and stopped believing in nonsense.

Czarcasm · 04-08-2013 01:22PM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

PS What's with the vintage Gaybo threads today? Release his tight ar$ed conservative stranglehold on the country ffs!

Emm, Gay Byrne was anything BUT conservative. Honestly, in a thread where he entertained alternative therapies on the most watched programme in Ireland at the time, and you call this conservative?

There are many more examples of Gay Byrne actually defying conservative attitudes in Ireland like when he had John Cleese on when "Life of Brian" was banned in Ireland, and when he ripped Cardinal Cathal Daly a new one live on national tv. He also debated issues like homosexuality and abortion on the show when most Irish media wouldn't touch such subjects with a forty foot barge pole.

Conservative? I think you may be mistaken.

Get Real · 04-08-2013 01:26PM

nino1 wrote: »

were people more gullible back then or does it just show Gaybo's stupidity and the stupidity of a few members of the audience.

I agree that its crazy, but in fairness to Gaybo, he says in part two:

"the late show and Gay Byrne are not saying that these are miracle workers, I'm not saying that they are right, I'm not saying they're wrong. We're merely reporting on a phenomenon that we came across and that people are interested in"

There was also a caller asking what qualifications the men had to do this.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-08-2013 01:26PM

conservative is just a word irish people in their teens to late twenties use for "something I don't like"

tommy2bad · 04-08-2013 01:27PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

conservative is just a word irish people in their teens to late twenties use for "something I don't like"

More like for anything older than them!

Jarrod · 04-08-2013 01:37PM

Anyone else think the bloke with the 'tache is the image of Boycie from Only Fools?

Grayson · 04-08-2013 01:42PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

conservative is just a word irish people in their teens to late twenties use for "something I don't like"

I like to think it means "I can't back up my prejudices and irrational believes so I'll try to justify it by claiming it's always been done this way"

Red Nissan · 04-08-2013 02:20PM

nino1 wrote: »

Disgraceful behaviour praying on the insecurities of people who are ill and vunerable and are so desperate that they will try anything with the hope of a cure.

People like this are still around today.

were people really that guillable in the 80's?

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