were people really that guillable in the 80's?

nino1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd8CfvF9P-E


Can you imagine how this would be received today?
Its amazing how everyone including the presenter seem to be falling for this hook line and sinker without even questioning it!!
Were people more guillable back then?

I've looked up these two guys and incredibly they are still pulling the same stunt and making good money from it.
I assume that there aren't as many people falling for it today as back then but there are still in "business" so there must be a fair few.

Two questions
1) were people more gullible back then or does it just show Gaybo's stupidity and the stupidity of a few members of the audience

2) show practices like this with no science or recognised profession be illegal? Disgraceful behaviour praying on the insecurities of people who are ill and vunerable and are so desperate that they will try anything with the hope of a cure.

biko

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

Frosty McSnowballs

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

It was acceptable in the 80's!

Panthro

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

Bio energy.
It's still pretty common today OP, Bio energy, Reki etc alternative healing techniques.
People believe in what they want to believe in.

Menas

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

I can't be arsed watching the 15 minute youtube video after the click....so OP what's this about and is it really worth a new thread and watching a 15 minute video?

tommy2bad

Bio Energy Healing, bit of a craze back in the day the way holistic and homeopathic medicine was.
Load of guff but people do go for it! I blame stupidity and ignorance.
http://www.bioenergyhealingandbeyond.com/bioenergy_healing

nino1

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

fair enough, I'll give a summary as its 15 minutes long!

Basically these two cowboys, come on the late late with Gaybo, say they can cure any illness with a technique called bio-energy where they just wave there hands around the person without touching them for 4 hours.

There are still at it today and charge €100 per hour! And you may not be cured the first time so will have to come back again for a few more visits!!

Gay does not even question it for a second and thats it as gospel!
Really talks it up and says how amazing it is!

Unbelievable stuff!

Rosy Posy

Looks like a combination of Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Chi Flow/Chakra Balancing. Its a fairly common form of alternative therapy. Plenty of people still fall for it/benefit from it today, depending on your outlook. The theory is pretty consistent with a lot of alternative therapies on the market today too.

IMO there's no harm in it as long as you don't use it as a substitute for professional medical care.

The thing that I find so bizarre about it is that they appear to be two fairly straight laced prison officers in suits and they're treating a bunch of aul wans and aul fellas in cardigans and they're on the Late Late Show. Not a fringy skirt or rainbow poncho in sight.

PS What's with the vintage Gaybo threads today? Release his tight ar$ed conservative stranglehold on the country ffs!

biko

Chinese medicine and acupuncture has been around thousands of years whereas modern medicine has been around a couple hundred years.
I wouldn't be so quick to disapprove of treatments as old as time itself.

Modern treatments, such as pills or radiation, has many side effects and often you have to take one pill to counter side effects of another pill. That doesn't seem like great medicine to me.

Bio energy healing may be hocus pocus but if it helps the affected person, that's all I care about.

bullpost

That's the answer to your question then!

nino1 wrote: »

There are still at it today and charge €100 per hour!

shamrock55

So if they are still doing it now shouldnt the title be were people in the 80s 90s 00s and whatever its called now so gullable??

Menas

shamrock55 wrote: »

So if they are still doing it now shouldnt the title be were people in the 80s 90s 00s and whatever its called now so gullable??

Or go for the snappy title "Why are people so guillable?"

Panthro

Chi healers sets paper on fire..arrgghh! 1.50 in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q

Rosy Posy

nino1 wrote: »

There are still at it today and charge €100 per hour! And you may not be cured the first time so will have to come back again for a few more visits!!

This is taking the pi$$. You can only (barely) justify that kind of fee if you've spent years studying and becoming an expert in the field (ie a consultant). They should have a no cure no fee policy and charge once off for the cure regardless of how long it takes. Surely that can't be good for their karma or whatever?

Canis Lupus

Nothing to do with the 80's. Plenty of morons still believe in it. Just drop into the spirituality forum and be depressed at the numbers who believe in Reiki.

Sam Kade

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Or go for the snappy title "Why are people so guillable?"

What the op is trying to hint at is "I wasn't around in the 80's and now I know everything" :rolleyes:

anncoates

biko wrote: »

Iwhat's this about?

Heartbreakingly little.

Choochtown

Lot of rubbish.


If you really need to be healed go to Lourdes.



Or Knock.



Or the 7th son of a 7th son etc.

Canis Lupus

biko wrote: »

Chinese medicine and acupuncture has been around thousands of years whereas modern medicine has been around a couple hundred years.
I wouldn't be so quick to disapprove of treatments as old as time itself.

Modern treatments, such as pills or radiation, has many side effects and often you have to take one pill to counter side effects of another pill. That doesn't seem like great medicine to me.

Bio energy healing may be hocus pocus but if it helps the affected person, that's all I care about.

Dara o Briain said it best "Oh, herbal medicine's been around for thousands of years!" Indeed it has, and then we tested it all, and the stuff that worked became 'medicine'. And the rest of it is just a nice bowl of soup and some potpourri, so knock yourselves out".

Play To Kill

nino1 wrote: »

Were people more guillable back then?

Maybe we were but it's hard to know because the majority of people were busy with the moving statues and didn't have time to be taken in by hocus pocus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZjM83wZmWw

solas111

biko wrote: »

Chinese medicine and acupuncture has been around thousands of years whereas modern medicine has been around a couple hundred years.
I wouldn't be so quick to disapprove of treatments as old as time itself.

Modern treatments, such as pills or radiation, has many side effects and often you have to take one pill to counter side effects of another pill. That doesn't seem like great medicine to me.

Bio energy healing may be hocus pocus but if it helps the affected person, that's all I care about.

You are right. I have no idea if any of that alternative stuff such as bio-energy works and much or all of it may be fake. However, down through history people have insisted that they knew best, only to be proven wrong later. Did they not threaten to burn people at the cross for maintaining that the earth was round?

The only thing I know for certain is that mankind still has a lot to learn and what may seem ridiculous today will often be accepted as fact tomorrow.

Duggy747

In the 80's? There's still loads of attention for that hippy, "western medicine" hating, cynical market with all sorts of businesses operating and cleaning up with insane prices.

How do you know if someone is a "professional" in alternative medicine?

They'll try selling you one of their 70 trillion different annual books / magical diluted flower juice.

nino1

shamrock55 wrote: »

So if they are still doing it now shouldnt the title be were people in the 80s 90s 00s and whatever its called now so gullable??

no, because from the show everybody seemed to buy it hook line and sinker without questioning. There will always be gullable people out there but this wouldn't get taken like gospel today on the late late!

Artful_Badger

I think these guys would have thrived in the old days going from town to town when information and education wasnt great. Then when TV took hold of peoples attention they had a brief stint of nationwide recognition before most people copped on and stopped believing in nonsense.

Czarcasm

Rosy Posy wrote: »

PS What's with the vintage Gaybo threads today? Release his tight ar$ed conservative stranglehold on the country ffs!

Emm, Gay Byrne was anything BUT conservative. Honestly, in a thread where he entertained alternative therapies on the most watched programme in Ireland at the time, and you call this conservative?

There are many more examples of Gay Byrne actually defying conservative attitudes in Ireland like when he had John Cleese on when "Life of Brian" was banned in Ireland, and when he ripped Cardinal Cathal Daly a new one live on national tv. He also debated issues like homosexuality and abortion on the show when most Irish media wouldn't touch such subjects with a forty foot barge pole.

Conservative? I think you may be mistaken.

Get Real

nino1 wrote: »

were people more gullible back then or does it just show Gaybo's stupidity and the stupidity of a few members of the audience.

I agree that its crazy, but in fairness to Gaybo, he says in part two:

"the late show and Gay Byrne are not saying that these are miracle workers, I'm not saying that they are right, I'm not saying they're wrong. We're merely reporting on a phenomenon that we came across and that people are interested in"

There was also a caller asking what qualifications the men had to do this.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

conservative is just a word irish people in their teens to late twenties use for "something I don't like"

tommy2bad

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

conservative is just a word irish people in their teens to late twenties use for "something I don't like"

More like for anything older than them!

Jarrod

Anyone else think the bloke with the 'tache is the image of Boycie from Only Fools?

Grayson

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

conservative is just a word irish people in their teens to late twenties use for "something I don't like"

I like to think it means "I can't back up my prejudices and irrational believes so I'll try to justify it by claiming it's always been done this way"

Red Nissan

nino1 wrote: »

Disgraceful behaviour praying on the insecurities of people who are ill and vunerable and are so desperate that they will try anything with the hope of a cure.

People like this are still around today.

Red Nissan

Play To Kill wrote: »

Maybe we were but it's hard to know because the majority of people were busy with the moving statues and didn't have time to be taken in by hocus pocus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZjM83wZmWw

Thanks for that, It's so funny, whilst there is still a small band of believers, I bet the vast majority feel really stupid now.

Banjo String

nino1 wrote: »

fair enough, I'll give a summary as its 15 minutes long!

Basically these two cowboys, come on the late late with Gaybo, say they can cure any illness with a technique called bio-energy where they just wave there hands around the person without touching them for 4 hours.

There are still at it today and charge €100 per hour! And you may not be cured the first time so will have to come back again for a few more visits!!

Gay does not even question it for a second and thats it as gospel!
Really talks it up and says how amazing it is!

Unbelievable stuff!

Lol. Crap cowboys imo.

Not a stetson, horse nor a set of spurs to be seen :mad:

Red Nissan

Get Real wrote: »

I agree that its crazy, but in fairness to Gaybo, he says in part two: "the late show and Gay Byrne are not saying that these are miracle workers,

Grand, I stopped watching half through and watched the moving statue instead, now that's funny.

mjsmyth

No more gullible than folks these days... Might I remind you of the recent phenomenon, the Power Balance bracelet??

Many gob****es world wide bought into their crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Balance

MJ

Galwayguy35

Thankfully was never seriously ill and hopefully will remain so but if/when the day comes when I am it will be off to the doc and not some fella waving his hands around me head.

becost

nothing a good shag wouldn't cure

endacl

That first audience member who claimed he'd broken his femur. Why did he have a hand brace? The femur is a leg bone.

No wonder the surgery didnt work.

NegativeCreep

biko wrote: »

I can't be arsed clicking that link, what's this about?

Yeah I can't be arsed clicking the link either but replying to the thread is no bother at all to me.

NuckingFacker

Mock ahead, but some people are fecking weird - I know a woman who if you are hurt(i.e took a knock at martial arts/football), can place her hands about 5cm above the spot and the heat generated is unbelievable - it's like a physical force and you stop hurting pretty quickly. When she does it the muscles under her hands(yours) start twitching like your getting electric shocks as well. Some people are just "odd" when it comes to stuff like that - good oddies to know when you're in pain.

endacl

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Yeah I can't be arsed clicking the link either but replying to the thread is no bother at all to me.

I did. It's typical late late cringe. It's about Michael O'Doherty and his 'energy healing' bollixogy.

He's still in business. A great loss to the prison service...

http://www.plexusbio-energy.com/#

M5

There is a name for alternative medicine that has been proven to work





.....Medicine!

Canis Lupus

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Some people are just "odd" when it comes to stuff like that

I know, like the people who actually believe it.

Exploiter

M5 wrote: »

There is a name for alternative medicine that has been proven to work





.....Medicine!

Tim Minchin?

oppenheimer1

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Nothing to do with the 80's. Plenty of morons still believe in it. Just drop into the spirituality stupidity forum and be depressed at the numbers who believe in Reiki.

FYP

Frank Lee Midere

nino1 wrote: »

no, because from the show everybody seemed to buy it hook line and sinker without questioning. There will always be gullable people out there but this wouldn't get taken like gospel today on the late late!

You would need more stats than that. It was around then, it is around today. Was it - or other alternative medicines - more popular then or now.

I'd imagine now. But I don't have the data.

Frank Lee Midere

mjsmyth wrote: »

No more gullible than folks these days... Might I remind you of the recent phenomenon, the Power Balance bracelet??

Many gob****es world wide bought into their crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Balance

MJ

There's a link to start a thread in 2030.

worded

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

It was acceptable in the 80's!

It was acceptable at the time

dirtyden

biko wrote: »

Chinese medicine and acupuncture has been around thousands of years whereas modern medicine has been around a couple hundred years.
I wouldn't be so quick to disapprove of treatments as old as time itself.

Modern treatments, such as pills or radiation, has many side effects and often you have to take one pill to counter side effects of another pill. That doesn't seem like great medicine to me.

Bio energy healing may be hocus pocus but if it helps the affected person, that's all I care about.

And what if it does absolutely nothing, but may in fact be harmful by allowing a dangerous condition take hold that could have been treated by more conventional means?

Even if it does no harm, it is still fraud.

Frank Lee Midere

Grayson wrote: »

I like to think it means "I can't back up my prejudices and irrational believes so I'll try to justify it by claiming it's always been done this way"

Why would that apply to alternative medicine based on hippy California type ideas?

iguana

In the last year or two Tubridy had some woman on TLLS who communes with angels or something. He just nicely interviewed her too and didn't ask her any hard questions.