What gave Gaybo the right to be condescending to a single mother on The Late Late

TheLastMohican · 03-08-2013 07:26PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

I think it was young Casey who was indulging in those giant size Toblerones!

Thank you for your harmonious, sweet and off-topic retort. Now get back on cue before a give you a skelp of my crozier!

Pro Hoc Vice · 03-08-2013 07:27PM

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Pity the church does not ignore the sexual "sins" of many great men and women and thereby exclude them.

Pro Hoc Vice · 03-08-2013 07:30PM

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.
Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?
Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

While I admire Gaybo for in many ways a sterling example of the entertainers art, I remember seeing that late late at the time and thinking how very unprofessional of Gay he let his true feeling shine through and instead of telling the story he became the story. I wonder how he now views that interview.

kraggy · 03-08-2013 07:34PM

jjpep wrote: »

Gaybo was a condescending prick to everyone.

Well done, well done..

shleedance · 03-08-2013 07:39PM

The quicker catholic backwardness gets out of this country, the better.

mikom · 03-08-2013 07:42PM

Manach wrote: »

Typical AH anti-Catholic whinging against a Church that has been a stabilising factor in Ireland

I particularly loved the way they stabilised those single mothers by having them wash sheets.

shleedance · 03-08-2013 07:43PM

And stabilised kids by touching them.

_Kaiser_ · 03-08-2013 07:44PM

mikom wrote: »

I particularly loved the way they stabilised those single mothers by having them wash sheets.

...and abusing them, and young boys

yep, we should all be so "lucky" :rolleyes:

Red Nissan · 03-08-2013 07:44PM

****in bastard, 15 years before he sees his son and then,

It did not go well. “He didn’t want to talk to me. In hindsight I was the representation of the end of everything he worked for. Of course I took it incredibly personally. I ran down. Got the elevator. Came downstairs. Tried to keep a stoic face. Saw my mom and burst into tears . . . You’re 15, have questions. He didn’t want to answer them. I felt slighted.”

Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/peter-murphy-my-father-bishop-casey-and-me-1.1483059

I have not read further

Nodin · 03-08-2013 07:44PM

mikom wrote: »

I particularly loved the way they stabilised those single mothers by having them wash sheets.

...true. And there was nothing to beat the sexual guidance thought up by a bunch of celibates.

nineteen66 · 03-08-2013 07:45PM

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

He certainly did.He drove a brand new 3 series BMW around Galway in the early 80's when the rest of us drove yokes falling apart with rust.What paid for that?Maybe a few pound went astray when the "trocaire" boxes were opened after Lent?But sure a bishop wouldn't do a thing like that,would he?

Teyla Emmagan · 03-08-2013 07:54PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

****in bastard, 15 years before he sees his son and then,

Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/peter-murphy-my-father-bishop-casey-and-me-1.1483059

I have not read further

You should finish it out. Peter Murphy seems like a very interesting and balanced person - especially given what he went through. He describes his relationship with his father as being 'like they were good friends', but they obviously, after several painful initial meetings, got on very well. His Dad is very ill now anyways, but he seems to have totally come to terms with the whole thing. He's pretty impressive, actually.

I do remember that Late Late, Gaybo treated Annie Murphy horrifically. Totally biased interview, embarrassing really. Very bad old days stuff.

Clareman · 03-08-2013 08:02PM

IMVHO the whole Eamon Casey thing was the beginning of the end of the dominance of the Church in Ireland, people were openly making jokes about the whole thing. What amazed me about the whole thing is everyone only goes on about him being a father, he stole thousands and thousands of money at a time when there wasn't any money in the country. I read the article in the Irish Times today and the whole "all he wants to do is say mass in public again", if you want to say mass in public you abide by the rules, if you don't then you don't.

As for the whole "at least he didn't interfere with kids, sure let him off", what those scumbags did to those poor children should never be used as a comparison to anything.

BillyMitchel · 03-08-2013 08:05PM

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Did you look up the word condescending and then post this tripe?

Jester252 · 03-08-2013 08:06PM

Either AH is scraping the bottom of the barrel to get in the daily bash of RTE and the RC or my time machine works.

Benny_Cake · 03-08-2013 08:06PM

It's pretty hard to get too worked up about what Eamonn Casey did given all that has emerged in the meantime. Yes, that interview was ugly and disrespectful - not Gay Byrne's finest hour. Ireland was a very different place in the early 90s and many of the changes since have been for the better. I wonder how Gaybo feels about how he conducted the interview now?

As others have mentioned, Peter Murphy shows a commendable lack of bitterness, even pointing out that his father was treated in a rather shabby fashion by the church. From reading the article, it sounds as if it was only when his power and celebrity (we used to have celebrity bishops!) were taken away from him that he really started to give time to his son.

Roose · 03-08-2013 08:07PM

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Stupid comment.

Red Nissan · 03-08-2013 08:08PM

Clareman wrote: »

As for the whole "at least he didn't interfere with kids, sure let him off", what those scumbags did to those poor children should never be used as a comparison to anything.

Yes, well put, I try not to make that comparison. But it has to be skirted, you put it very well.

Czarcasm · 03-08-2013 08:09PM

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.

Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?

Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

I think OP you're reading far too much into one single comment tbh. It'd be better to give it some context -

Annie famously appeared on 'The Late Late Show' in the spring of 1993, following publication of her book. It was a career-defining moment for Gay Byrne, who said to her: "If Peter is half the man his father is, he'll be doing well."

She recalls her reaction. "I simply replied, 'Well, Mr Byrne, I'm not half bad myself'. Then I said good day and left the set. There was nothing more to say after that, we couldn't get nasty on public television.

"Also, it meant I got to have the last word, which I wanted. After the show, Mr Byrne apologised for being hard on me, but it didn't matter -- I wasn't angry.

"I told him I had nothing more to say to him -- there was no problem, we had both won. I think Mr Byrne had read the book and thought it was over the top. Also, he liked Eamon Casey," she adds.

Peter McKay recalls Annie's mood as "elated" following her 'Late Late' show appearance.

"There was so much trepidation about going on an Irish chat show to face the Irish public and prove that her story was true.

"After that show, I think people who previously didn't believe her story found it credible. Gay Byrne apologised to us after the programme, but there was nothing to apologise for -- he had his finger on the pulse of Irish opinion."

If anything, Annie says, 'The Late Late Show' grilling was mild compared with the hostile reaction she received on 'The Phil Donahue Show'.

Source: http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/annie-murphy-the-woman-who-rocked-the-church-20-years-on-26816176.html

If you actually watched the Late Late Show back then, you'd realise that had it not been for Gay Byrne, Irish society would never have come to realise that they could openly criticise the RCC. He systematically ripped through some of the highest in the Catholic Church Hierarchy at the time, and of course Sinead O' Connor and Tommy Tiernan were like his own love children, both highly critical of the RC at a time when it was unfathomable in Irish society to do so.

Could you imagine a snivelling arse kisser like Ryan Tubridy ever being able to do that? Or even "wooden" Pat Kenny? They turned the Late Late Show from a legacy into a complete farce. At least Gay Byrne was interesting to watch and was able to get a great interview.

TeddyTedson · 03-08-2013 08:10PM

jjpep wrote: »

Gaybo was a condescending prick to everyone.

I don't think he was actually. He used to be a terrific interviewer in his earlier days.
Had a great way of conducting the show. In was only in his later years he started sniffing his own arse too much.

Anyway, so it's true, we are back in the 80s.

Dyr · 03-08-2013 08:11PM

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.
Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?
Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

because byrne is a bourgeois toerag and grovelling paddy loves someone who acts his better

_Kaiser_ · 03-08-2013 08:17PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

It's pretty hard to get too worked up about what Eamonn Casey did given all that has emerged in the meantime. Yes, that interview was ugly and disrespectful - not Gay Byrne's finest hour. Ireland was a very different place in the early 90s and many of the changes since have been for the better. I wonder how Gaybo feels about how he conducted the interview now?

Considering his pious sermonising as the head of the RSA, and his fronting that religion-focused interview show with the likes of Bono recently I'd say he probably feels fine about it.

Has to be the only guy in media who "retired" and is still on the TV/radio as much as ever

Luckily my mother wasn't a fan either and we had cable TV so being stuck watching him every Friday night wasn't something I had to suffer through growing up.

Thom Merrilin · 03-08-2013 08:26PM

How's the son

freshpopcorn · 03-08-2013 08:33PM

`Welcome to the twenty first century OP!

Norwesterner · 03-08-2013 08:33PM

What exactly did she think would happen by opening her legs to a Priest/Bishop?
Takes two to Tango.
Casey made an error, but so did she.
Whatever happened to personal responsibilty?

Frank Lee Midere · 03-08-2013 08:35PM

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.
Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?
Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

You've been sitting on this for a while.

jjpep · 03-08-2013 08:39PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I don't think he was actually. He used to be a terrific interviewer in his earlier days.
Had a great way of conducting the show. In was only in his later years he started sniffing his own arse too much.

Anyway, so it's true, we are back in the 80s.

Yeah, it is a little bit of a time warp this tread... I'm going on memory because the last time I saw gay Byrne on the late late would have been the mid 90's. Maybe I'd have a different take on him now but really my overriding memory of him was constantly thinking 'prick' while he was talking.

Frank Lee Midere · 03-08-2013 08:41PM

There's been a lot of revisionism on Byrne. He took on the church when nobody else did. Good interviewer too.

In this case he liked Casey and while nobody doubted the parentage the question was how big an issue was this. It was an adult relationship.

And was bay's water ever red light?

Mardy Bum · 03-08-2013 08:45PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

What exactly did she think would happen by opening her legs to a Priest/Bishop?
Takes two to Tango.
Casey made an error, but so did she.
Whatever happened to personal responsibilty?

What error? For his job all right but in the grand scheme it makes no difference!

Femme_Fatale · 03-08-2013 08:47PM

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

What was it that Annie said in return to that, I remember it was a famous remark something like "or even like me, Im not that bad either" but im not 100% sure. And she was right to say it, it was at a time when the church ruled.

It was 1992 - the church didn't rule, that was more applicable to Ireland in the 1950s/60s. But to be fair, 1992 was only the start of really explicit questioning of things.

As said, The Late Late Show wasn't just a television programme - it was a force for change in Irish society, because it examined what the establishment didn't want being examined.

I don't think Gay's attitude towards that woman was down to catholic repression, but plain snobbery. I remember him presenting Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? and a contestant was a very young woman who had a child. Gay, when giving a few details about her, couldn't bring himself to say she was a single mother, so he just gave the child's name without mentioning he was her son. It was cringey.

What gave Gaybo the right to be condescending to a single mother on The Late Late

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