What gave Gaybo the right to be condescending to a single mother on The Late Late

TheLastMohican

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.
Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?
Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

Nodin

Decades of being a patriarchal church dominated society/ he was caseys mate.

Christ the Redeemer

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

kneemos

Did you escape from a time capsule?

Frank Black

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Give us examples.

gordongekko

What year did I wake up in?

jjpep

Gaybo was a condescending prick to everyone.

kneemos

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

A bit unfair,the op may not have the power,influence or money of the church behind him.

mad muffin

kneemos wrote: »

Did you escape from a time capsule?

Was just about to post this. :pac:

Wanderer2010

What was it that Annie said in return to that, I remember it was a famous remark something like "or even like me, Im not that bad either" but im not 100% sure. And she was right to say it, it was at a time when the church ruled.

AllGunsBlazing

That show was a real ambush by Gaybo. Never thought much of him to begin with and even less of him after that.

Zen65

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?

Casey was a hypocrite, as many (if not most) religious clerics are. On the other hand, the rules under which clerics are expected to live are unnaturally restrictive, even harmful to the human spirit, so I cannot fault him for failing to be celebate. As far as we know, Casey never abused a minor. He used church funds to support his child, and while it was wrong of him to take the money, I rather prefer to think his son got it than have that money go to the church's bank account. Other clerics had children and then abandoned them. Casey (as far as I know) ensured his child was provided for, but kept his existence hidden.

The other side to him was that he did a lot of work for the poor in society. He was a voice on their behalf, and in those times that was very much needed.

So yes, he was deeply flawed, as are we all, but he did some good for others, which we cannot all claim. This is probably all that Gay meant. Was he being condescending? I don't know. I watched the programme when it went out live and I thought it was a strange comment, possibly meant well ("your son comes from good stock") but coming across as if to say "let's not speak all bad about the bishop".

Personally I have to admit I never liked the man (Casey), and took unreasonable pleasure in seeing him exposed for what he was!!

Z

Conmaicne Mara

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Jesus would be so proud of you.

galwayrush

The saga of two cousins in lust continues.

michael999999

In fairness id rather priests riding women, than raping kids.

Don't see what the problem.is!

TheLastMohican

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Obviously your crown of thorns has caused a few TIAs. At least we'll take that excuse for your going off topic.

MJ23

Greybo is a patronising fart. Who cares what he thinks?
I automatically change station whenever I hear or see him.

kneemos

MJ23 wrote: »

Greybo is a patronising fart. Who cares what he thinks?
I automatically change station whenever I hear or see him.

First time I saw him wearing a crevat I kinda went off the guy.

TheLastMohican

michael999999 wrote: »

In fairness id rather priests riding women, than raping kids.

Don't see what the problem.is!

The problem was Gaybo's smarmy remark to a lady who had experienced the harrowing mores of a latter day society. Why did this jumped up tosser take it upon himself to further insult her?

Manach

Typical AH anti-Catholic whinging against a Church that has been a stabilising factor in Ireland, railing so much against the somewhat hyped up tyrannies of the past (and ignoring the State's own separate issue). If a tithe the effort was placed in combating Ireland's current issues we'd not be in the state we are now in.

calanus

Manach wrote: »

railing so much against the somewhat hyped up tyrannies of the past.....

Tell that to those who suffered through them..........

kneemos

Manach wrote: »

Typical AH anti-Catholic whinging against a Church that has been a stabilising factor in Ireland, railing so much against the somewhat hyped up tyrannies of the past (and ignoring the State's own separate issue). If a tithe the effort was placed in combating Ireland's current issues we'd not be in the state we are now in.

Stabilising in what way?and what hyped up tyrannies?

Fred Swanson

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Red Nissan

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.
Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?
Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

When did this happen? Is this a very old post?

wendell borton

As bishops go casey wasn't the worst, that's not hard though, did a lot of good work over in London, worst thing he did though was to "rest" some diocese money in his account.

TheLastMohican

Red Nissan wrote: »

When did this happen? Is this a very old post?

Yes, it's 46 mins old. You see the trick is to read the time of the posting and deduct

Red Nissan

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

No he did not, he was responsible for bringing hundreds of thousands to their senses and questioning their very faith and existence.

As with other clerics and non clerical do gooders, such as that fix it guy, the sins and anguish are never compensated for by the good they did as the good they were doing was in fact to make them feel better about living a lie in Casey's case, and much much worse in other cases.

The lie is the sin. Casey should have resigned, he exposed the fallacy of faith and not only committed his sin once, but multiple times and then denies his own flesh n blood and keeps the cover-up for years and years.

All those years he was not a minister, he was a fake or imposter, his blessings and sacraments were void and unlawful in the eyes of whom he professed to believe in.

Granted, he was not the worst, but in time it exposed the depravity and the depth of depravity that goes on to make that fix it guy look like a saint.

Duckworth_Luas

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy

Judging by his photo in today's Irish Times he's now twice the man his father was!

TheLastMohican

Indulging in a bit of sizeism, are we?

Duckworth_Luas

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Indulging in a bit of sizeism, are we?

I think it was young Casey who was indulging in those giant size Toblerones!

Red Nissan

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was",

I don't think Gabo reads this, but the Irish Independent does so if you put up an intelligent argument you will make the cover or page three next Monday.

I was not a fan of the Late Late Show, I don't think anyone should have that much opinion power, new laws would have prevented that comment going to air.

But that was a long time ago and we could drink and drive then too, could we not, now Gabo is telling us not to do that anymore, and I'm sure most of us had forgotten about Casey and in particular the respect he was afforded. And Casey flaunted it too, he still turned up in Cork in Bishops Robes for a family wedding after he was defrocked or whatever happened to him, now that's arrogance, but people loved him, they still do.

IMO, they are in error.

TheLastMohican

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

I think it was young Casey who was indulging in those giant size Toblerones!

Thank you for your harmonious, sweet and off-topic retort. Now get back on cue before a give you a skelp of my crozier!

Pro Hoc Vice

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Pity the church does not ignore the sexual "sins" of many great men and women and thereby exclude them.

Pro Hoc Vice

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.
Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?
Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

While I admire Gaybo for in many ways a sterling example of the entertainers art, I remember seeing that late late at the time and thinking how very unprofessional of Gay he let his true feeling shine through and instead of telling the story he became the story. I wonder how he now views that interview.

kraggy

jjpep wrote: »

Gaybo was a condescending prick to everyone.

Well done, well done..

shleedance

The quicker catholic backwardness gets out of this country, the better.

mikom

Manach wrote: »

Typical AH anti-Catholic whinging against a Church that has been a stabilising factor in Ireland

I particularly loved the way they stabilised those single mothers by having them wash sheets.

shleedance

And stabilised kids by touching them.

_Kaiser_

mikom wrote: »

I particularly loved the way they stabilised those single mothers by having them wash sheets.

...and abusing them, and young boys

yep, we should all be so "lucky" :rolleyes:

Red Nissan

****in bastard, 15 years before he sees his son and then,

It did not go well. “He didn’t want to talk to me. In hindsight I was the representation of the end of everything he worked for. Of course I took it incredibly personally. I ran down. Got the elevator. Came downstairs. Tried to keep a stoic face. Saw my mom and burst into tears . . . You’re 15, have questions. He didn’t want to answer them. I felt slighted.”

Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/peter-murphy-my-father-bishop-casey-and-me-1.1483059

I have not read further

Nodin

mikom wrote: »

I particularly loved the way they stabilised those single mothers by having them wash sheets.

...true. And there was nothing to beat the sexual guidance thought up by a bunch of celibates.

nineteen66

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

He certainly did.He drove a brand new 3 series BMW around Galway in the early 80's when the rest of us drove yokes falling apart with rust.What paid for that?Maybe a few pound went astray when the "trocaire" boxes were opened after Lent?But sure a bishop wouldn't do a thing like that,would he?

Teyla Emmagan

Red Nissan wrote: »

****in bastard, 15 years before he sees his son and then,

Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/peter-murphy-my-father-bishop-casey-and-me-1.1483059

I have not read further

You should finish it out. Peter Murphy seems like a very interesting and balanced person - especially given what he went through. He describes his relationship with his father as being 'like they were good friends', but they obviously, after several painful initial meetings, got on very well. His Dad is very ill now anyways, but he seems to have totally come to terms with the whole thing. He's pretty impressive, actually.

I do remember that Late Late, Gaybo treated Annie Murphy horrifically. Totally biased interview, embarrassing really. Very bad old days stuff.

Clareman

IMVHO the whole Eamon Casey thing was the beginning of the end of the dominance of the Church in Ireland, people were openly making jokes about the whole thing. What amazed me about the whole thing is everyone only goes on about him being a father, he stole thousands and thousands of money at a time when there wasn't any money in the country. I read the article in the Irish Times today and the whole "all he wants to do is say mass in public again", if you want to say mass in public you abide by the rules, if you don't then you don't.

As for the whole "at least he didn't interfere with kids, sure let him off", what those scumbags did to those poor children should never be used as a comparison to anything.

BillyMitchel

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Did you look up the word condescending and then post this tripe?

Jester252

Either AH is scraping the bottom of the barrel to get in the daily bash of RTE and the RC or my time machine works.

Benny_Cake

It's pretty hard to get too worked up about what Eamonn Casey did given all that has emerged in the meantime. Yes, that interview was ugly and disrespectful - not Gay Byrne's finest hour. Ireland was a very different place in the early 90s and many of the changes since have been for the better. I wonder how Gaybo feels about how he conducted the interview now?

As others have mentioned, Peter Murphy shows a commendable lack of bitterness, even pointing out that his father was treated in a rather shabby fashion by the church. From reading the article, it sounds as if it was only when his power and celebrity (we used to have celebrity bishops!) were taken away from him that he really started to give time to his son.

Roose

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Regardless of his sexual "sins" Casey has probably achieved more in his life than you ever will.

Stupid comment.

Red Nissan

Clareman wrote: »

As for the whole "at least he didn't interfere with kids, sure let him off", what those scumbags did to those poor children should never be used as a comparison to anything.

Yes, well put, I try not to make that comparison. But it has to be skirted, you put it very well.

Czarcasm

TheLastMohican wrote: »

"I hope his son will be half the man his father was", was Gay's parting salvo to Annie Murphy, the former lover of arch-hypocrite Bishop Eamon Casey. And got a massive round of applause from the audience.

Did this include Casey's fleeing from the cops in the Bayswater/Queensway area of West London, a notorious red light district, and subsequent arrest? And did it include his ignoring his vows, fathering a child, stealing money from his employers etc among other notable deeds?

Gaybo, if you're reading this, how about an explanation?

I think OP you're reading far too much into one single comment tbh. It'd be better to give it some context -

Annie famously appeared on 'The Late Late Show' in the spring of 1993, following publication of her book. It was a career-defining moment for Gay Byrne, who said to her: "If Peter is half the man his father is, he'll be doing well."

She recalls her reaction. "I simply replied, 'Well, Mr Byrne, I'm not half bad myself'. Then I said good day and left the set. There was nothing more to say after that, we couldn't get nasty on public television.

"Also, it meant I got to have the last word, which I wanted. After the show, Mr Byrne apologised for being hard on me, but it didn't matter -- I wasn't angry.

"I told him I had nothing more to say to him -- there was no problem, we had both won. I think Mr Byrne had read the book and thought it was over the top. Also, he liked Eamon Casey," she adds.

Peter McKay recalls Annie's mood as "elated" following her 'Late Late' show appearance.

"There was so much trepidation about going on an Irish chat show to face the Irish public and prove that her story was true.

"After that show, I think people who previously didn't believe her story found it credible. Gay Byrne apologised to us after the programme, but there was nothing to apologise for -- he had his finger on the pulse of Irish opinion."

If anything, Annie says, 'The Late Late Show' grilling was mild compared with the hostile reaction she received on 'The Phil Donahue Show'.

Source: http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/annie-murphy-the-woman-who-rocked-the-church-20-years-on-26816176.html



If you actually watched the Late Late Show back then, you'd realise that had it not been for Gay Byrne, Irish society would never have come to realise that they could openly criticise the RCC. He systematically ripped through some of the highest in the Catholic Church Hierarchy at the time, and of course Sinead O' Connor and Tommy Tiernan were like his own love children, both highly critical of the RC at a time when it was unfathomable in Irish society to do so.


Could you imagine a snivelling arse kisser like Ryan Tubridy ever being able to do that? Or even "wooden" Pat Kenny? They turned the Late Late Show from a legacy into a complete farce. At least Gay Byrne was interesting to watch and was able to get a great interview.

TeddyTedson

jjpep wrote: »

Gaybo was a condescending prick to everyone.

I don't think he was actually. He used to be a terrific interviewer in his earlier days.
Had a great way of conducting the show. In was only in his later years he started sniffing his own arse too much.


Anyway, so it's true, we are back in the 80s.