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Has anyone tried hypnotism to lose weight?

  • 30-07-2013 11:41pm
    #1
    bookworm66
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭bookworm66


    Just wondering if anyone has tried hypnotism to lose weight. If so, where and how has it worked for you?
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  • #2
    Ri_Nollaig
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    bookworm66 wrote: »
    Just wondering if anyone has tried hypnotism to lose weight. If so, where and how has it worked for you?
    I would imagine its up there with witch doctors and other quacks... if you want to lose weight (and keep it off!) you need to take a good look at your diet. There is an ocean of information just in the stickies here never mind googleing particular topics.

    Without knowing any particular details*;
    My advice, take things slowly, note every single thing you eat and slowly move your diet towards a healthy alternative. It should be fairly obvious that sweets/cakes/chocolate need to be reduced/removed but perhaps some other food types you mightn't realise are very fatten such as breads/cereals need to be cut too.
    But its best to just adjust your existing diet rather then trying some massive changes over night, completely ignore fad diet and any "magic pill" approaches. Doing this over time will see results that you are more likely to maintain but you will need to be patient!

    Adding in exercise if possible as well will help speed things up.

    * find you maintenance calories (google any number of sites to get an estimate of this) and reducing you calorie intake by about ~500 calories will safely reduce you weight (burning fat not muscle).

    Best of luck


  • #3
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    If you can use hypnotism to instil discipline then it can work.

    The learning part of losing weight is all free information, all contained in the stickies above. However the sticking to it can be difficult for people.

    Hypnotism can affect, even in a placebo form, a person's ability to retain on course and get into the habits and routines that we need (as habit forming creatures) to keep us on the straight and narrow.

    A hypnotist cannot "hypnotise" weight off of someone, they can only offer support.

    So yes, a hypnotist can help, but only in the support system, not the actual losing of weight.


  • #4
    amazingemmet
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you can use hypnotism to instil discipline then it can work.

    A hypnotist cannot "hypnotise" weight off of someone, they can only offer support.

    So yes, a hypnotist can help, but only in the support system, not the actual losing of weight.

    This nails it. I worked with a hypnotist when I was living in London. It worked great to instill discipline and motivation in some of my clients who were lacking in that department.


  • #5
    thegreatiam
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    "look into my eyes...Stop eating pies"
    €200 please, see you next week.


  • #6
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    thegreatiam wrote: »
    "look into my eyes...Stop eating pies"
    €200 please, see you next week.

    Simply not what hypnotism is nor what it pretends to be.

    There are trillions of combinations of stimuli and responses. There are billions of combinations that will have positive effects.
    The placebo effect is well known.

    I'd far prefer someone went directly to a hypnotist as a support process in order to help them eat healthily, than fool themselves into thinking that Slimming Watchers (TM) is anything more than a similar support structure with bad food science. The idea of positive affirmations as opposed to negative connotations and shame that a hypnotist would provide over the "weigh and shame" technique would be far more beneficial. A hypnotist is in a far better place to repair people's relationship with food and nutrition than a lot of "usuals".

    Consciously making the connection that you need a support process and disciplinarian is a massive step for people. So long as they are aware of what I posted initially, then what problem should we have with it?


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  • #7
    Cale
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    If they have then they're simply lazy idiots looking for the best results with minimal effort.

    Eat right and exercise FFS!!!


  • #8
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    Cale wrote: »
    If they have then they're simply lazy idiots looking for the best results with minimal effort.

    Eat right and exercise FFS!!!

    Miners in Australia are well paid. If someone really wanted to be rich, they'd become a Miner. It's as easy as doing a good LC and getting a degree in Earth Sciences / Geology FFS!!

    Simple right?

    The relativity of the statement that we've both just made to the subjects that would benefit from them is astoundingly important.

    This is the nutrition and diet forum. People here tend to know about what to eat, why to eat, how to eat etc. There is an underlying lack of empathy for the people that

    1 - Don't know nor care about this
    2 - Seek this info and struggle to understand it
    3 - Seek this info, understand it but cannot remain disciplined enough in their ways to use it correctly.

    That's a massive, massive section of people.


  • #9
    thegreatiam
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    This is the nutrition and diet forum. People here tend to know about what to eat, why to eat, how to eat etc. There is an underlying lack of empathy for the people that

    1 - Don't know nor care about this
    2 - Seek this info and struggle to understand it
    3 - Seek this info, understand it but cannot remain disciplined enough in their ways to use it correctly.

    That's a massive, massive section of people.
    4, look for short cuts


  • #10
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    thegreatiam wrote: »
    4, look for short cuts

    and what does belittling them achieve?
    It's fairly pompous and self serving no?

    By all means, if group 4 arrive, educate them.
    See where they fall then.

    Alienating huge swarthes of people just because "it's that easy" for some people to

    a - understand nutrition
    b - seek to apply good elements of it to their life
    c - maintain a disciplined routine with it

    is just a little backward.


  • #11
    thegreatiam
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    Nutrition, health etc is one area that is filled with charlatans and snake oil salesman because people are basically too lazy to educate them selves in the most basics of manner.

    Preferring instead to vegetate and eat sugar for instant satisfaction with the niggling feeling in their heads that they should probably do something about the belly and health but ultimately cant be arsed. Clinging onto the hope that there is an instant miracle cure which will do it for them so they can put in minimal effort and achieve the goals they wish for.

    Hypnotism is simply a crutch for those who aren't sufficiently motivated to do it for themselves.
    And there are plenty of those snake oil salesmen waiting to take their cash.

    In the last year or so Ive given up smokes, bread, sugar and booze etc, gotten on the road to being healthier and educated myself towards good nutrition. Before you suggest I have a strong will I don't. Will power is not something that comes to mind when people think of me, infact "takes too many shortcuts and is a bit lazy" are probably the things that come to mind. But I realised that it is a long slow process and got on with it.

    If people arent willing to motivate themselves into doing something which is extremely basic and stop giving in to the slightest of urges preferring pay for a short cut like hypnotism then I am going to mock them.


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  • #12
    doctorwhogirl
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    This is the nutrition and diet forum. People here tend to know about what to eat, why to eat, how to eat etc. There is an underlying lack of empathy for the people that

    1 - Don't know nor care about this
    2 - Seek this info and struggle to understand it
    3 - Seek this info, understand it but cannot remain disciplined enough in their ways to use it correctly.

    That's a massive, massive section of people.

    I know this is off-topic from the OP but I think this is a great post.

    I was one of those people a few years ago and I just hadn't a NOTION what a good diet entailed. I wasn't lazy or looking for "short cuts", but I was so frustrated and anxious to change that yes, I did want a quick fix, I did want someone to hand it to me on a plate and say "Here you go eat this, not that, do this, not that" and I'd be slim and healthy. I know I would have done anything just to lose the weight because I was at breaking point (figuratively and literally :P) I went to weightwatchers. In hindsight I wouldn't go and spend that money again, but it got me on the road.

    Eventually it kicks in that it doesn't work like that and in fact it's only in the past year or so I've properly gotten to grips with nutrition.

    When people come on here and are obese/overweight there is a lot more to them than just wanting to lose weight and I think that unless you've experienced being heavy it's hard to know the place they're coming from.

    Fair enough, if you point them in the right direction and they still come back looking for a menu of what to eat at each meal, then they're being lazy. But until you offer them the advice/support you can't just judge.


    Anyway, on the subject of the thread, I think hypnotism has helped a lot of people with losing weight but it is really dependent on the person no more than some people find it easier to do paleo and some find things like Slimming World preferable.

    I think, OP, that you should find a support system for losing weight (a partner, a slimming group, a good friend...) someone who will make you accountable those weeks where you lose discipline. Make sure you have a good understanding of your food intake now, and what your food intake should be. A hypnotist won't tell you what's good for you nutritionally.

    If you read the stickies at the top of the Nutrition and Diet forum thoroughly, read through some old threads on diet advice etc... you'll get lots of good ideas for good food.

    As someone already said, if you're going it by yourself (no slimming group) I would check out you calorie intake (google scooby calorie calculator) and see what you need to lose weight.

    Try and get out for exercise a bit more, but if you start with diet that's 80% of the battle. Keep a diary of your food for awhile. This will help with the discipline side of things. Some people only need to do it for awhile, others, like myself, like to do it because I know I'd go off track without it.

    Most importantly you have to know WHY you want to lose weight. If you don't know what your motivation is you won't get there.
    Make a list of why you want to lose weight, even the stupid things. Stick it somewhere you'll see it daily. Once you have that intrinsic motivation you'll push yourself.


  • #13
    Cale
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Miners in Australia are well paid. If someone really wanted to be rich, they'd become a Miner. It's as easy as doing a good LC and getting a degree in Earth Sciences / Geology FFS!!

    Simple right?

    The relativity of the statement that we've both just made to the subjects that would benefit from them is astoundingly important.

    This is the nutrition and diet forum. People here tend to know about what to eat, why to eat, how to eat etc. There is an underlying lack of empathy for the people that

    1 - Don't know nor care about this
    2 - Seek this info and struggle to understand it
    3 - Seek this info, understand it but cannot remain disciplined enough in their ways to use it correctly.

    That's a massive, massive section of people.

    There's an underlying lack of empathy for someone who wants all the benefits of a good diet and exercise program with none of the effort.

    Also, anyone that suggests hypnotism as a way forward is going to receive even less empathy for obvious reasons.

    I doubt the OP is stupid enough to believe that hypnotism will magically work wonders. Everybody knows and can see for themselves the benefit of diet and exercise. All you've to do is turn on the TV, look at a magazine, go to a gym.

    The OP seems to be looking for an easy out.


  • #14
    doctorwhogirl
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    Cale wrote: »
    There's an underlying lack of empathy for someone who wants all the benefits of a good diet and exercise program with none of the effort.

    Also, anyone that suggests hypnotism as a way forward is going to receive even less empathy for obvious reasons.

    I doubt the OP is stupid enough to believe that hypnotism will magically work wonders. Everybody knows and can see for themselves the benefit of diet and exercise. All you've to do is turn on the TV, look at a magazine, go to a gym.

    The OP seems to be looking for an easy out.

    Again, you're judging the OP too rashly. Now maybe it is the case as you've made it above...

    Or maybe they've woke up this morning in tears because none of their clothes are fitting/they've looked in the mirror and hated their reflection and they just want to change. I know I have.

    As I said, there are times when we all want the quick fix to our problems. Mocking someone for that doesn't help. Pointing them back in the right direction does.

    I don't think hypnotherapy is the answer here, at all but neither is judging the OP because that thought crossed their mind.


  • #15
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    Cale wrote: »
    1 There's an underlying lack of empathy for someone who wants all the benefits of a good diet and exercise program with none of the effort. [

    2 Also, anyone that suggests hypnotism as a way forward is going to receive even less empathy for obvious reasons.

    3 I doubt the OP is stupid enough to believe that hypnotism will magically work wonders. Everybody knows and can see for themselves the benefit of diet and exercise. All you've to do is turn on the TV, look at a magazine, go to a gym.

    The OP seems to be looking for an easy out.

    1 - that's some massive inference you've taken there
    2 - Post #3 and Post #4 - two posts suggesting hypnotism can work as a support structure.
    3 - Am I stupid for believing that Hypnotism can be a very useful mental crutch for people who struggle to stay on plan? As an example, do you believe that people who have used hypnotism to quit cigarettes are liars?

    Hypnotism doesn't remove the cigarette addiction. It helps to keep you focussed on quitting.
    Just as Hypnotism wont make you skinny, but it can help keep you goal-orientated and objective.
    --
    To continue with the cigarette quitting analogy.

    Cigarette Quitting 101:
    "Stop Smoking Cigarettes"
    ---
    Is that it? Simply that? The person has read it, and understood it and is able to quit?


  • #16
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    thegreatiam wrote: »
    Nutrition, health etc is one area that is filled with charlatans and snake oil salesman because people are basically too lazy to educate them selves in the most basics of manner.

    Preferring instead to vegetate and eat sugar for instant satisfaction with the niggling feeling in their heads that they should probably do something about the belly and health but ultimately cant be arsed. Clinging onto the hope that there is an instant miracle cure which will do it for them so they can put in minimal effort and achieve the goals they wish for.

    Hypnotism is simply a crutch for those who aren't sufficiently motivated to do it for themselves.
    And there are plenty of those snake oil salesmen waiting to take their cash.

    In the last year or so Ive given up smokes, bread, sugar and booze etc, gotten on the road to being healthier and educated myself towards good nutrition. Before you suggest I have a strong will I don't. Will power is not something that comes to mind when people think of me, infact "takes too many shortcuts and is a bit lazy" are probably the things that come to mind. But I realised that it is a long slow process and got on with it.

    If people arent willing to motivate themselves into doing something which is extremely basic and stop giving in to the slightest of urges preferring pay for a short cut like hypnotism then I am going to mock them.

    Some sensational generalisations here.

    Some self-pat-on-back-ery

    Some insults to people

    Some complete and utter inability to understand how humans work too. We are not a one-size-fits-all animal.


  • #17
    Cale
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    1 - that's some massive inference you've taken there
    2 - Post #3 and Post #4 - two posts suggesting hypnotism can work as a support structure.
    3 - Am I stupid for believing that Hypnotism can be a very useful mental crutch for people who struggle to stay on plan? As an example, do you believe that people who use hypnotism to quit cigarettes are liars?

    Hypnotism doesn't remove the cigarette addiction. It helps to keep you focussed on quitting. Just as Hypnotism wont make you skinny, but it can help keep you goal-orientated and objective.


    I simply believe people who visit hypnotists are looking for easy solutions.

    I believe in the alternative as I believe (from doing things the hard way myself) it builds character.

    They're usually the people who fail over and over and still look for easy outs while whinging about it to others the whole time.

    So while I was having a go at those people in general, I didn't mean to judge the OP as one, so for that, I apologize.

    I don't know for sure, but I just thought the title of the thread suggested otherwise.


  • #18
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    Cale wrote: »
    I simply believe people who visit hypnotists are looking for easy solutions. help

    I believe in the alternative as I believe (from doing things the hard way myself) it builds character. Admirable, as have I. I've met plenty of people who simply are not programmed like this.

    They're usually the people who fail over and over and still look for easy outs while whinging about it to others the whole time. This is exactly what I mean by lack of empathy. Instead of insulting these people while patting ourselves on the back, we should educate them. If this isn't enough, what's the next stage? What worked for you and I might not be enough for these people

    So while I was having a go at those people in general, I didn't mean to judge the OP as one as obviously so for that, I apologize.

    I don't know for sure, but I just thought the title of the thread suggested otherwise.
    And probably did, but the OP asked a question that was answered, then a snide post really got me annoyed so I've had a little rant.

    .


  • #19
    Cale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Cale


    Deleted User wrote: »
    .

    Fair enough. I was hasty with my response, but I got annoyed at the suggestion of hypnotherapy to lose weight so..we're not all programmed the same. ;)


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    [Deleted User]
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    weight loss is about lots of will power, proper diet and exercise. There are no easy ways to loose weight.

    It takes months and years to pile it on and it takes a long time for it to go.


  • #21
    thegreatiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some sensational generalisations here.

    Some self-pat-on-back-ery

    Some insults to people

    Some complete and utter inability to understand how humans work too. We are not a one-size-fits-all animal.

    True, we arent one-size fits all, some of us are lazy and want things handed to us so we don't have to put in any effort, have any set backs or have to blame ourselves if we fail.

    And some of us are happy to take advantage of that fact.

    Hypnotising your self to not overeat in the place of simply stopping when you are full or educating yourself to make correct choices in the first place is a short cut which involves taking no personal responsibility.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Next we'll blame the government for not taking action to prevent us getting fat when we have a choice.

    Things like a sugar tax for feck sake, that's the start of it when in fact parents are responsible for their children getting fat and not making them walk/cycle to school and giving soft drinks only as a treat and not daily for lunch. But of course the weather in Ireland is too bad for the darlings to walk or cycle or it's too dangerous. BS Parents will find a million excuses to molly coddle their children.


  • #23
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    thegreatiam wrote: »
    True, we arent one-size fits all, some of us are lazy and want things handed to us so we don't have to put in any effort, have any set backs or have to blame ourselves if we fail.

    And some of us are happy to take advantage of that fact.

    Hypnotising your self to not overeat in the place of simply stopping when you are full or educating yourself to make correct choices in the first place is a short cut which involves taking no personal responsibility.

    again, simply not what hypnotism would do. It would positively reinforce the person's goals and objectives. It would support a person in their effort to stay on plan. It would handle the highs and lows, and afford someone a crutch that could well be enough to get them to take control of their own body again.

    What is the reason that people have personal trainers? All of the information is available online right? Does having a personal trainer mitigate your personal responsibility? Or does it allow you to reach a level that you can feel comfortable operating in, and eventually move onto your own autonomous path?

    What do we do with the people who try as hard as they possibly can to give up their old ways and simply cannot? Cannot control the sugar cravings and wilt impossibly under the slightest of pressure? Do you shout at them and say "you will be fat forever, here is a book, read it and do it" ?

    Again, we're getting into psychology, habits and incentives and disincentives, but this idea that you can just teach someone something and then they should be able to do it without any hassle is absolute rubbish tbh.


  • #24
    thegreatiam
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    again, simply not what hypnotism would do. It would positively reinforce the person's goals and objectives. It would support a person in their effort to stay on plan. It would handle the highs and lows, and afford someone a crutch that could well be enough to get them to take control of their own body again.

    What is the reason that people have personal trainers? All of the information is available online right? Does having a personal trainer mitigate your personal responsibility? Or does it allow you to reach a level that you can feel comfortable operating in, and eventually move onto your own autonomous path?

    I have a personal trainer because he has spent time learning the way a body moves correctly and studies how the body responds to nutrition and various loads. He has a huge knowledge of how best to hit certain muscles in a variety of methods, and compensate for my lack of previous training. He can look at me objectively and determine weak areas in my form which need strengthening and advise the best way to progress towards my goals. As I get more and more advanced he is educated in how to change my workouts in order to best get the results we want.

    Him shouting at me to do 1 more rep is free.

    It is merely a professional who is experienced in a field that I don't have the time or skill to study. So I pay them to, in the same way I have a mechanic look after my car.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    What do we do with the people who try as hard as they possibly can to give up their old ways and simply cannot? Cannot control the sugar cravings and wilt impossibly under the slightest of pressure? Do you shout at them and say "you will be fat forever, here is a book, read it and do it" ?

    Again, we're getting into psychology, habits and incentives and disincentives, but this idea that you can just teach someone something and then they should be able to do it without any hassle is absolute rubbish tbh.
    Again, personal responsibility, have they really tried to stop and find it impossible Id say the vast amount of people who use this line aren't really trying at all.
    If they are truly unable then it is the place for a DR or shrink as they have issues further than simply can't say no to cake.


  • #25
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    thegreatiam wrote: »
    I have a personal trainer because he has spent time learning the way a body moves correctly and studies how the body responds to nutrition and various loads. He has a huge knowledge of how best to hit certain muscles in a variety of methods, and compensate for my lack of previous training. He can look at me objectively and determine weak areas in my form which need strengthening and advise the best way to progress towards my goals. As I get more and more advanced he is educated in how to change my workouts in order to best get the results we want.

    Him shouting at me to do 1 more rep is free.

    It is merely a professional who is experienced in a field that I don't have the time or skill to study. So I pay them to, in the same way I have a mechanic look after my car.

    Again, personal responsibility, have they really tried to stop and find it impossible Id say the vast amount of people who use this line aren't really trying at all.
    If they are truly unable then it is the place for a DR or shrink as they have issues further than simply can't say no to cake.

    okay, so this exact sentence is fine but someone employing a hypnotist as a "Goal Guide", or a "life coach" is wasting their time?

    Perhaps you should take a look at what hypnotists do before continuing to deride them.

    Again, this might be a useful post.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you can use hypnotism to instil discipline then it can work.

    The learning part of losing weight is all free information, all contained in the stickies above. However the sticking to it can be difficult for people.

    Hypnotism can affect, even in a placebo form, a person's ability to retain on course and get into the habits and routines that we need (as habit forming creatures) to keep us on the straight and narrow.

    A hypnotist cannot "hypnotise" weight off of someone, they can only offer support.

    So yes, a hypnotist can help, but only in the support system, not the actual losing of weight.

    Nobody is advising using a hypnotist as a nutritionist or dietician.


  • #26
    thegreatiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hypnotism can affect, even in a placebo form, a person's ability to retain on course and get into the habits and routines that we need (as habit forming creatures) to keep us on the straight and narrow.
    So can saying no to cakes.

    Im going to ease off with the trolling a little.

    While there are merits to hypnotism, learnig to do this yourself is better.

    You cant go to a hypnotist and never want to eat dairy milk again. But hypnotism can help increase your self discipline. But only if you have self discipline in the first place.

    Its not a miracle cure, It wont replace doing it for your self, it will help you be a little more disciplined.

    ultimately, if you are motivated and have put the effort in you won't need a hypnotist.

    First remove the idea that you need that kind of help and learn to help yourself.

    Self hypnotism, if you will.


  • #27
    Kenna Hissing Maze
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    thegreatiam wrote: »
    So can saying no to cakes.
    Im going to ease off with the trolling a little.
    While there are merits to hypnotism, learnig to do this yourself is better.
    You cant go to a hypnotist and never want to eat dairy milk again. But hypnotism can help increase your self discipline. But only if you have self discipline in the first place.
    Its not a miracle cure, It wont replace doing it for your self, it will help you be a little more disciplined.
    ultimately, if you are motivated and have put the effort in you won't need a hypnotist.
    First remove the idea that you need that kind of help and learn to help yourself.
    Self hypnotism, if you will.

    I refer you to actually read any of the posts I've made whatsoever on this thread. You've clearly missed them in their entirety as we are back at square one.

    If you believe that 100% of people are able to 'simply' make this black/white decision and that be that, you are wrong.

    If you believe that 100% of people can stop eating junk when given all the nutritional information they could ever care to know about, you are wrong.

    If you believe that 100% of people can embark on a weightloss goal simply by deciding that they will be losing weight, and reading about how to eat, you are wrong.

    If you believe that consulting a hypnotist with a weight loss goal would have them make you believe you are less hungry, that you now hate certain foods and will only eat clean meals, you are wrong.

    Again, I will reiterate a very simple distinction. You could consult a hypnotist for help with the mental side of the weight loss goal. There is support available there that some people need.

    Pretending that everyone is able to "just do it" is sheer lunacy.

    edit: Read this
    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    I feel like getting a banner with this in 14ft high letters and hanging it up in the middle of all major cities:

    "The idea that eating is primarily a conscious and voluntary behavior is deeply rooted in our culture. We humans are invested in the notion that we have free will in all things. We want to believe that weight can be controlled by volition alone. Why can’t that fat guy just eat less and exercise more? He just lacks willpower, right? Not at all. Our homeostatic feeding control circuits make it very hard to lose a lot of weight and keep it off. As weight drops, fat mass decreases and leptin levels decline, triggering the biochemical cascade we just explored, producing signals that both reduce metabolic rate and produce a strong subconscious drive to eat. The more weight that is lost, the stronger the drive to eat will be and the greater the reduction in energy use. This is the sad but unavoidable truth that the multibillion-dollar-a-year diet industry doesn’t want you to know."- David J. Linden in The Compass of Pleasure: How Our Brains Make Fatty Foods, Orgasm, Exercise, Marijuana, Generosity, Vodka, Learning, and Gambling Feel So Good

    It underlines that NOTHING will change on a population level unless we start manipulating the environment.


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Everyone can do it, but we're becoming more like America to think we need support groups and molly coddling.

    It's a choice, the easy choice is eat and feel good because you are feeding an addiction. Alcohol people often ignore from the equation as a massive weight gainer.

    The hard choice, lots and lots of exercise, eating properly. We are weak at the best of times and so the easy choices we will settle for.

    A 3.5 mile hard walk will burn 300 calories.

    A 20 mile cycle will burn @15-18 mph 800-1000 calories.

    5x 500 ml cans of beer = 1000 calories. Someone going out every week or even 2nd week will pile the weight on very quickly consuming alcohol Alone, then a lot more if consuming fast food.

    A bottle of red wine has average 600 calories.

    It's so easy to pile the weight on.

    I believe Women require even less calories than Men and women's alcohol limits are also less for women.

    The more you exercise the stronger your muscles get and the stronger they get the more calories you burn.


  • #29
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ireland has a very serious alcohol problem and we often ignore liquids as a source of our weight problem.

    Cancer and diabetes is also linked to obesity and so many people I know drink to limits that would literally kill me.

    My next door neighbour pukes every weekend, I can only imagine the long term damage, but we don't think long term, this is the problem, all these diseases happen over years of abuse.

    I like a drink and a slice of chocolate cake, in moderation.

    Moderation is what it's all about.

    If You are a normal weight and exercise a lot you can eat a lot more without putting on weight, you can probably drink more too, but the damage is still being done, Cholesterol alone builds up with bad foods, so just because people are slim, doesn't mean you're cholesterol is normal.


  • #30
    Jerrica
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Jerrica


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Everyone can do it, but we're becoming more like America to think we need support groups and molly coddling.

    It's a choice, the easy choice is eat and feel good because you are feeding an addiction. Alcohol people often ignore from the equation as a massive weight gainer.

    Support groups =/= molly coddling. Support groups are simply bunches of people with commonalities in a mutual goal, the aim can be anything from weight loss to motivation to public speaking to mental health issues. The relief of sharing a problem with like minded people is a common resource for many people, it does not mean that people are opting to be wrapped in cotton wool. Hell, this forum is one such resource. Describing it as molly coddling is flippant, unwarranted and totally disrespectful.

    You say eating is a choice, but then say it's to feed an addiction. You know that there's very little choice in addiction right?


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jerrica wrote: »
    Support groups =/= molly coddling. Support groups are simply bunches of people with commonalities in a mutual goal, the aim can be anything from weight loss to motivation to public speaking to mental health issues. The relief of sharing a problem with like minded people is a common resource for many people, it does not mean that people are opting to be wrapped in cotton wool. Hell, this forum is one such resource. Describing it as molly coddling is flippant, unwarranted and totally disrespectful.

    You say eating is a choice, but then say it's to feed an addiction. You know that there's very little choice in addiction right?


    Sure support groups can be good but people should also learn to do things by themselves and not rely on the support of others.

    I'm addicted to chocolate big time, however I still have that choice not to eat it every day, I simply must not have it in the house or it's gone. I choose not to buy it.

    I don't buy chocolate and use the excuse I'm addicted to it in order to excuse buying it.

    I was stopping in garages and saw all the lovely bars at the till and decided, ah yeah sure why not.

    Now I have slipped up a bit but that's because of laziness, I still exercise and I love my bicycle.

    My bicycle is my new addiction but not obsessively so.

    The pleasure of buying smaller size clothes and the buzz after exercise makes chocolate and bad food less important now.


  • #32
    thegreatiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you believe that 100% of people are able to 'simply' make this black/white decision and that be that, you are wrong.

    If you believe that 100% of people can stop eating junk when given all the nutritional information they could ever care to know about, you are wrong.

    If you believe that 100% of people can embark on a weightloss goal simply by deciding that they will be losing weight, and reading about how to eat, you are wrong.

    If you believe that consulting a hypnotist with a weight loss goal would have them make you believe you are less hungry, that you now hate certain foods and will only eat clean meals, you are wrong.

    Again, I will reiterate a very simple distinction. You could consult a hypnotist for help with the mental side of the weight loss goal. There is support available there that some people need.

    Pretending that everyone is able to "just do it" is sheer lunacy.
    Who said anything about 100% of anyone doing anything?
    No one has pretended that everyone is able at al, it hasnt even been suggested.

    The point is that most people do not even try, or give up at the first hurdle. For these people the magic pill or instant cure is their main goal, they will immediately turn to hypnotism, supplement scams, shakeweight or whatever fad and try to use that as a crutch. They are unable to see that they are aids and no more.

    Sure hypnotism can "help" with weight loss, but so can not going to mcdonalds in the first place.
    Unfortunately we are bombarded with these types of campaigns rather than educated as to what we really need to do.
    "lose weight with hypnotism" is often seen in magazines and is nothing more than a crutch or short cut.

    Crutches like this are often used too replace simple self control and education.


  • #33
    Jerrica
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Jerrica


    thegreatiam wrote: »
    The point is that most people do not even try, or give up at the first hurdle.

    You're absolutely right. But what good is kicking them while they're down going to do? Surely keeping a positive supportive atmosphere in a place like this is might encourage a few of those people to get up and try again?


  • #34
    Gotham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Gotham


    Without being an ass or anything, it's all bunkum. Sorry.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jerrica wrote: »
    You're absolutely right. But what good is kicking them while they're down going to do? Surely keeping a positive supportive atmosphere in a place like this is might encourage a few of those people to get up and try again?

    What's the point of telling someone less than what is required to loose weight ?

    Why tell them what they may want to hear rather than what they need to hear ?

    I lost 20 kgs from diet change and exercise, was it hard ? you bet it was hard. Isn't that positive thing to say ???

    I need to loose more.

    It's funny if you read the reviews on diet pills, almost all of the reviews on amazon who said the pills worked and in the review mentioned diet change and exercise, imaging that ?


  • #36
    marconi2.0
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭marconi2.0


    Ya lost 4 stone and gave up smoking through hypnosis not at the same time mind you, I studied in ucd and put on a heck of a lot of weight on in college but it did help


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  • #37
    El_Dangeroso
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Miners in Australia are well paid. If someone really wanted to be rich, they'd become a Miner. It's as easy as doing a good LC and getting a degree in Earth Sciences / Geology FFS!!

    Simple right?

    The relativity of the statement that we've both just made to the subjects that would benefit from them is astoundingly important.

    This is the nutrition and diet forum. People here tend to know about what to eat, why to eat, how to eat etc. There is an underlying lack of empathy for the people that

    1 - Don't know nor care about this
    2 - Seek this info and struggle to understand it
    3 - Seek this info, understand it but cannot remain disciplined enough in their ways to use it correctly.

    That's a massive, massive section of people.

    I'd thank this post twice if I could. To add to the analogy, becoming wealthy is easy, just make more and spend less money. Overeating is the cause of obesity the same way overdrinking is the cause of alcoholism.

    We live in an obesogenic environment, full stop. Some are more susceptible than others, I'd highly recommend reading Stephan Guyenet's latest posts on the genetics of obesity:

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ie/2013/06/the-genetics-of-obesity-part-i.html
    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ie/2013/07/the-genetics-of-obesity-part-ii.html
    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ie/2013/07/the-genetics-of-obesity-part-iii.html

    Bottom line is that, it's not an insurmountable task to change your lifestyle but:

    a. Some people have the cards stacked against them genetically
    b. Judging and belittling people is the best way to ensure they never change.

    I'm trained in a technique called Motivational Interviewing, this video demonstrates how NOT to motivate people to change:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XyNE89eCs


    And how to motivate them:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URiKA7CKtfc


  • #38
    cycnus
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭cycnus


    Hypnosis is utter nonsense.

    Here's how you lose weight.

    1. Consume less calories
    2. Expend more calories
    3. Both

    BAM!


  • #39
    crotalus667
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭crotalus667


    cycnus wrote: »
    Hypnosis is utter nonsense.

    Do explain ??


  • #40
    cycnus
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭cycnus


    Its like asking someone to explain the truth about the tooth fairy.

    Ok, here goes. Hypnotism is not real. It is fake. Stage hypnosis is nothing more than mass hysteria, and the unconscious desire of people to get away with craziness in public. Hypnotherapy is a means of getting a person to displace their own sense of responsibility in the hope it will lead them to behave in a certain way. In other words, taking their money to make them do something they are just doing by themselves.

    There is no science or conclusive reproducible evidence to show that is has ever been done. That is not to say that you cant get someone drunk and make them do things they wouldn't normally, but that's hardly hypnosis!

    Many "magicians" or illusionists use certain slight of hand or suggestion techniques to simulate hypnosis or mind reading, and others even demonstrate these to show they are fake. See Penn and Teller for example. They debunk this kind of nonsense all the time. Actually, check out their tv show called "Bull****" they debunk lots of things there.

    If hypnosis is real, get a hypnotherapist, or hypno-scientist to explain the science of how it works. Then get them to hypnotise you to be more hard working, better in bed, smarter, less forgetful, and fitter. Then give me their number.


  • #41
    thegreatiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    cycnus wrote: »
    If hypnosis is real, get a hypnotherapist, or hypno-scientist to explain the science of how it works. Then get them to hypnotise you to be more hard working, better in bed, smarter, less forgetful, and fitter. Then give me their number.

    I had a hypnotist who could do 4 out of 5, but I forgot where I put his number. sorry.


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  • #42
    Katgurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Katgurl


    not massively relevant but I went to a hypnotist a few years back, i wanted help with being more focused at work = nothing to do with weightloss / quitting smoking / any of the 'typical' stuff. Being totally honest, he is my friend's husband and i wanted to support his new business so I attended for a few sessions.

    At the end of the sessions he asked could he put my name as a reference, i said why not. A few months later I googled my name out of sheer boredom and found a link on his website quoting me claiming I had lost four stone effortlessly with his amazing techniques. I was bulling (I never mentioned weightloss to him and i certainly hadn't lost four stone). Now I KNOW all hypnotists shouldn't be tarred with his brush but it left me with a very bad taste in my mouth for the industry.

    I am open to being proved wrong but I have the same attitude to weightloss that I have to quitting smoking. (I've achieved both) There is no magic pill or quick fix. If there was the whole world wouldn't be struggling with them. They both require long-term commitment to change.


  • #43
    shane9689
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭shane9689


    all you need to know is in this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMnMp-d5pKs


    really just watch any of elliot hulses videos. hes been at this a long time and knows the advice beginners need for getting fit....he focuses on body-building but it applies to nearly everything in life


  • #44
    crotalus667
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭crotalus667


    cycnus wrote: »
    Its like asking someone to explain the truth about the tooth fairy..

    Not really the tooth fairy is a fictitious character hypnotists are definitely real people (if I am not real I want my tax back)
    cycnus wrote: »
    Stage hypnosis is nothing more than mass hysteria, and the unconscious desire of people to get away with craziness in public. ..
    Hysteria no , some stage hypnotists use pier pressure to get people to pre form, some use abolitionists , most use genuinely hypnotised people and some use a mix of all 3


    cycnus wrote: »
    There is no science or conclusive reproducible evidence to show that is has ever been done. ..
    You might want to tell that to the world health organisation (and the numerous research teams that think they have evidence)
    cycnus wrote: »
    That is not to say that you cant get someone drunk and make them do things they wouldn't normally, but that's hardly hypnosis!..
    No one is claiming that getting some one drunk is hypnosis


    cycnus wrote: »
    Many "magicians" or illusionists use certain slight of hand or suggestion techniques to simulate hypnosis ,
    Slight of hand ?? Hypnosis uses the power of sugestion, if some one uses trickery to simulate a great pool shot does it mean that shot cant be done by others ?

    cycnus wrote: »
    and others even demonstrate these to show they are fake. See Penn and Teller for example. They debunk this kind of nonsense all the time. Actually, check out their tv show called "Bull****" they debunk lots of things there.
    I have seen Penn and Tellers show where they picked on a few idiots that where desprate for 5 mins on TV ask your self this why did they not use any of the top preformers in their show ?? after all they are good friends with the man who holds the record for the longest running Stage Hypnosis show in Vegas


    Katgurl wrote: »
    At the end of the sessions he asked could he put my name as a reference, i said why not. A few months later I googled my name out of sheer boredom and found a link on his website quoting me claiming I had lost four stone effortlessly with his amazing techniques..

    In fairness you will find dip****s like that in every industry


  • #45
    bookworm66
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭bookworm66


    I've only read through all these posts now and I have to say, I've found some people to be slightly degrading to others in general.
    For the record, I've gone from 12 stone to 9 stone since Christmas 2012. I was sick in January which caused me to lose a stone and after realising that I felt better being thinner, I went on to lose another two through diet and exercise.
    Me and some of the girls I work with were talking about different ways to lose weight (some have cut out carbs, others have done weight watchers), and hypnosis as a means of helping a person to lose weight came up. We decided that we'd ask online to see if others had tried it and see if it had worked for anyone. It was merely a question asked out of curiosity and not because any of us wanted to try it.
    The six of us are all within a healthy weight range and while cutting out carbs or being so sick that you can't eat might not be the healthiest ways to lose weight, none of us have an unhealthy relationship with food, or exercise for that matter.
    Thanks for all the lovely comments about being a lazy idiot though :)


  • #46
    Cale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Cale


    People here aren't mind readers. Perhaps a post like the above would've been better to open the thread with.

    The large majority of opening posts in this forum are asking for advice and your OP comes across no different except maybe that you're indirectly asking.


  • #47
    Ri_Nollaig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    bookworm66 wrote: »
    I've only read through all these posts now and I have to say, I've found some people to be slightly degrading to others in general.
    For the record, I've gone from 12 stone to 9 stone since Christmas 2012. I was sick in January which caused me to lose a stone and after realising that I felt better being thinner, I went on to lose another two through diet and exercise.
    Me and some of the girls I work with were talking about different ways to lose weight (some have cut out carbs, others have done weight watchers), and hypnosis as a means of helping a person to lose weight came up. We decided that we'd ask online to see if others had tried it and see if it had worked for anyone. It was merely a question asked out of curiosity and not because any of us wanted to try it.
    The six of us are all within a healthy weight range and while cutting out carbs or being so sick that you can't eat might not be the healthiest ways to lose weight, none of us have an unhealthy relationship with food, or exercise for that matter.
    Thanks for all the lovely comments about being a lazy idiot though :)
    ha, welcome to boards, ...infact welcome to any online community.
    You will get hostile responses pretty much everywhere but when its comes to health/fitness it does seem to be the worst (check out reddit.com/r/fitness ...actually don't). I guess it comes down to a lot of people just want quick results and are not willing to try what really works.

    This of course is why there are so many "quick fixes" (magic pills/fad diets/snakeoil salesmen) when it comes to losing weight, a lot of people see this as an easy way to cash in.

    I was not trying to be smart or condescending in my post (well I do think hypnotism is bull...) but I said I didn't know any of your particular details. If you were 5 stone catwalk model or a 20 stone rugby player, didn't even know of you were male or female.


  • #48
    thegreatiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    bookworm66 wrote: »
    For the record, I've gone from 12 stone to 9 stone since Christmas 2012. I was sick in January which caused me to lose a stone and after realising that I felt better being thinner, I went on to lose another two through diet and exercise.

    3 stone overall and 2 stone through diet and exercise alone and yet you still are looking for a short cut?

    Why fix what ain't broke?


  • #49
    shane9689
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭shane9689


    i like to think my comment was relatively positive


  • #50
    bookworm66
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭bookworm66


    thegreatiam wrote: »
    3 stone overall and 2 stone through diet and exercise alone and yet you still are looking for a short cut?

    Why fix what ain't broke?

    If you'd read the rest, you'd have seen this was a question of curiosity and not me looking for anything other than information :)


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