Luke Flanagan to introduce the Cannabis Legalisation Bill on 29/10/13 - NORML Ireland

gowley · 30-07-2013 09:56PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

We legalized it 100% here in Washington State last November. Colorado also legalized it.

There's a one year period where the distribution and tax implications are worked out so we're looking at shops and bars/restaurants/bakeries opening to sell it by this autumn. Its legal to possess right now, its just that there's no legal retail system in place. There had already been medicinal pot so the "clinics" already exist. Presumably in the autumn they will simply open their doors to everyone.

When a couple of years have gone by and other sates are able to study our results we fully expect other states to follow our lead, and after that there should be a cascade effect (much like gay marriage) as other states follow.

Already there's huge savings in Police and law enforcement resources, and in the autumn when retail sales begin there will be substantial tax revenues. Unlike amsterdam that is now discouraging "pot tourism", Seattle is ready to fully embrace it; Come visit Seattle and sample the weed, safely and legally. (Just dont try and take any home with you!)

guns are legal there but doesnt mean its right. i can see a reason for debate on the subject but when you read posts like 99% of people agree with making it legal any logic goes out the window. obviously not your post but just trying to say when we get into a debate you get people making stupid statements with no foundation just to make their point. if what you say does happen then good luck to them . it wont happen here though.

InTheTrees · 30-07-2013 09:57PM

zenno wrote: »

UMM... Cannabiscuits, Best of luck Ming, but as far as i'm concerned, it may as well be legal in Ireland. But still, it would be nice to get a more different range of cannabis herb for a change.

There's a few bakeries planning on opening in Seattle so you wont have to smoke the stuff.

MadsL · 30-07-2013 09:58PM

zenno wrote: »

UMM... Cannabiscuits, Best of luck Ming, but as far as i'm concerned, it may as well be legal in Ireland. But still, it would be nice to get a more different range of cannabis herb for a change.

Or one that didn't involve ground glass, lead, diesel and other crap, nor the unsavoury criminal aspects of illegal profits.

InTheTrees · 30-07-2013 10:00PM

gowley wrote: »

guns are legal there but doesnt mean its right. i can see a reason for debate on the subject but when you read posts like 99% of people agree with making it legal any logic goes out the window. obviously not your post but just trying to say when we get into a debate you get people making stupid statements with no foundation just to make their point. if what you say does happen then good luck to them . it wont happen here though.

In time it will, because its the right thing to do. It will spread through the US and Europe. Especially when it looks like it makes economic sense.

Ireland is ripe for it. Imagine how many people would have a healthy alternative to booze? If it helps reduce alcohol consumption then it cant be bad.

MadsL · 30-07-2013 10:02PM

gowley wrote: »

guns are legal there but doesnt mean its right. i can see a reason for debate on the subject but when you read posts like 99% of people agree with making it legal any logic goes out the window. obviously not your post but just trying to say when we get into a debate you get people making stupid statements with no foundation just to make their point. if what you say does happen then good luck to them . it wont happen here though.

Whoosh...from green to pieces.

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? The US has both legalised the ownership of guns and in some states, weed.

Is there some moral viewpoint that you are appealing to greater than the wishes of the people? God perhaps?

zenno · 30-07-2013 10:05PM

MadsL wrote: »

Or one that didn't involve ground glass, lead, diesel and other crap, nor the unsavoury criminal aspects of illegal profits.

Of course, that is a big problem indeed, unless you grow it yourself for yourself, at least then you know exactly what's going into it.

I'm still astonished when i hear hash block is still being sold because that stuff especially is mixed with so much junk it will eventually cause a serious problem for smokers. I also have heard of the spraying of glass particles on the cannabis bud, nasty stuff indeed.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 30-07-2013 10:05PM

seven_eleven wrote: »

and I know people who smoke it laught at the whole "gateway" thing, but I've seen it happen to people I know so many times.

Every reputable study every carried out on the "gateway" theory show that it is absolute nonsense, a tool used for the vilification of cannabis

But hey, whats the truth in the face of ignorance

120_Minutes · 30-07-2013 10:05PM

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

It's like an old folks home or Joe Duffys fans were linked to it on facebook.

...and because most of the dail falls into that demographic is the very reason it will fail. I'm all for it, but the current ruling generation needs to die off before it can happen.

Wattle · 30-07-2013 10:05PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

In time it will, because its the right thing to do. It will spread through the US and Europe. Especially when it looks like it makes economic sense.

Ireland is ripe for it. Imagine how many people would have a healthy alternative to booze? If it helps reduce alcohol consumption then it cant be bad.

This.

I can't see us making the leap until it's legalised in a load more countries.

gowley · 30-07-2013 10:08PM

MadsL wrote: »

Whoosh...from green to pieces.

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? The US has both legalised the ownership of guns and in some states, weed.

Is there some moral viewpoint that you are appealing to greater than the wishes of the people? God perhaps?

not at all. just pointing out that its hard to have a rational debate when people say 99% of the population want it to be legal with no foundation. the us may have legalised it and guns but i thought the post was about ireland. i cant participate in democracy in the us but imo guns being legalised has created huge problems .

30-07-2013 10:08PM

[QUOTE=zenno;
I'm still astonished when i hear hash block is still being sold because that stuff especially is mixed with so much junk it will eventually cause a serious problem for smokers. I also have heard of the spraying of glass particles on the cannabis bud, nasty stuff indeed.[/QUOTE]

Likewise, astonished, ive seen people smoke it and I swear to god, soot rises up in the smoke. Lots of little sooty bits, and they dont even notice:eek: Id rather smoke a tyre. same black smoky effect, can only imagine the state of their lungs

0ph0rce0 · 30-07-2013 10:10PM

Percentage of tourists goes from 1% to 100% in a matter of days.

I'm all for it

MadsL · 30-07-2013 10:11PM

I can't wait to read the LVA submission on behalf of publicans on the bill, they'll be lobbying for a 75% tax to compensate them for lost revenue.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 30-07-2013 10:12PM

I'd recommend "The Union", a documentary about cannabis production in British Columbia

At least it might broaden the minds of those spouting the usual ignorant "brain dead", "dangerous", "gateway" lines here

120_Minutes · 30-07-2013 10:13PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Imagine how many people would have a healthy alternative to booze? If it helps reduce alcohol consumption then it cant be bad.

Anything that does that will not be tolerated. Vitners are having a tough time as it is. We cant have a rational debate about introducing a taxable safer drug than the current taxable drug, when its own association is reporting dwindling numbers. Having this legalised scares too many people. Sadly too many vested interests still exist to knock this back down.

zenno · 30-07-2013 10:13PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Likewise, astonished, ive seen people smoke it and I swear to god, soot rises up in the smoke. Lots of little sooty bits, and they dont even notice:eek: Id rather smoke a tyre. same black smoky effect, can only imagine the state of their lungs

Absolutely. If i was given a KG of that crap for nothing i'd make the person giving it to me eat it

A person would want to be Mad to smoke that junk.

downonthefarm · 30-07-2013 10:13PM

do they still sell that soapbar ****e?
imagine if it was passed. dopey farmers driving around Dublin protesting again

MadsL · 30-07-2013 10:14PM

120_Minutes wrote: »

Anything that does that will not be tolerated. Vitners are having a tough time as it is. We cant have a rational debate about introducing a taxable safer drug than the current taxable drug, when its own association is reporting dwindling numbers. Having this legalised scared to many people. Sadly too many vested interests still exist to knock this back down.

I'm really all out of f*cks for a monopoly with the ear of Government.

NegativeCreep · 30-07-2013 10:16PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

I'd recommend "The Union", a documentary about cannabis production in British Columbia

At least it might broaden the minds of those spouting the usual ignorant "brain dead", "dangerous", "gateway" lines here

Watched this yesterday

It's really great and can be watched for free on YouTube

120_Minutes · 30-07-2013 10:16PM

MadsL wrote: »

I'm really all out of f*cks for a monopoly with the ear of Government.

You and me both pal, but those with the money to get the ear of Inda, get things done, how it is, how its always been.

30-07-2013 10:17PM

Good lad, Ming.

MadsL · 30-07-2013 10:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Good lad, Ming.

The Gardai appear to think so...

zenno · 30-07-2013 10:18PM

If cannabis is supposed to be a gate-way drug :pac: then that means i should be on heroin now, or cocaine or full-on crack cocaine, But i'm not, so that puts that to bed.

Naos · 30-07-2013 10:19PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Every reputable study every carried out on the "gateway" theory show that it is absolute nonsense, a tool used for the vilification of cannabis

seven_eleven wrote: »

...I know people who smoke it laught at the whole "gateway" thing, but I've seen it happen to people I know so many times. Mainly in their teens.
They've have all moved on to heavier drugs. Some onto dealing too and turned into complete dirtbags. But thats another positive! Hopefully it will remove the scumbag dealers around the country.

The 'Gateway' thing is something opponents to legislation are responsible for really.

They claim if you smoke weed, you'll go stupid/get addicted etc. People smoke, realise they are fine and then think maybe the negative effects of heavier drugs are bullsh*t as well and potentially try them.

120_Minutes · 30-07-2013 10:21PM

zenno wrote: »

If cannabis is supposed to be a gate-way drug :pac: then that means i should be on heroin now, or cocaine or full-on crack cocaine, But i'm not, so that puts that to bed.

My cousin injected 6 cannabises and DIED.

Cannabis. Not even once.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-07-2013 10:27PM

gowley wrote: »

not at all. just pointing out that its hard to have a rational debate when people say 99% of the population want it to be legal with no foundation. the us may have legalised it and guns but i thought the post was about ireland. i cant participate in democracy in the us but imo guns being legalised has created huge problems .

Don't think he meant the figure literally, but it's a moot point.

Ca we assume you'd be okay with it being legalised it 50.1% of the population were in favour of it, so?

What guns?

zenno wrote: »

If cannabis is supposed to be a gate-way drug :pac: then that means i should be on heroin now, or cocaine or full-on crack cocaine, But i'm not, so that puts that to bed.

Yeah, me too...

P_1 · 30-07-2013 10:29PM

Not a hope in hell of it passing through the Dail I'd fear mainly for two key reasons.

1) FG are the majority party in Government, perhaps the most socially conservative party in Ireland. Just look at the recent abortion law, watered down and yet still caused several of their members to wet the bed. Can you see them parroting anything other than the 'Drugs are bad, m'kay' line in response to this.

2) Another thread here today described the major influence that the vintners lobby have over the government. Do you think that for one second they'd allow a potential major competition to their market become freely available?

Personally I'd love for it to be legalised but somehow I doubt this corrupt, moralistic cesspool of a country will see it anytime soon.

MadsL · 30-07-2013 10:32PM

gowley wrote: »

not at all. just pointing out that its hard to have a rational debate when people say 99% of the population want it to be legal with no foundation. the us may have legalised it and guns but i thought the post was about ireland. i cant participate in democracy in the us but imo guns being legalised has created huge problems .

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-07-2013 10:36PM

P_1 wrote: »

Not a hope in hell of it passing through the Dail I'd fear mainly for two key reasons.

1) FG are the majority party in Government, perhaps the most socially conservative party in Ireland. Just look at the recent abortion law, watered down and yet still caused several of their members to wet the bed. Can you see them parroting anything other than the 'Drugs are bad, m'kay' line in response to this.

2) Another thread here today described the major influence that the vintners lobby have over the government. Do you think that for one second they'd allow a potential major competition to their market become freely available?

Personally I'd love for it to be legalised but somehow I doubt this corrupt, moralistic cesspool of a country will see it anytime soon.

1 - No they aren't, but it makes no differenece: no admistration is going to take the chance of going against the status quo.

2 - Agree, but I don't think they'll need to work to hard. Joe Duffy will take care of it for them.

gowley · 30-07-2013 10:37PM

Don't think he meant the figure literally, but it's a moot point.

Ca we assume you'd be okay with it being legalised it 50.1% of the population were in favour of it, so?

i said the debate should happen. my point was people just making up figures to enhance their argument is pointless. it does nothing to further their point or to add to the debate. there are pros and cons for both sides but if someone is tunnel visioned and can only see one side and invents facts it is not a debate.

Luke Flanagan to introduce the Cannabis Legalisation Bill on 29/10/13 - NORML Ireland

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