Luke Flanagan to introduce the Cannabis Legalisation Bill on 29/10/13 - NORML Ireland

Joy31

sorry for any inconvenience if this is posted in the
Here we go, good news for some of the Irish people;
https://www.facebook.com/events/183146295195987/

on a side note I don't even smoke or use pot and i'm still for it been legal,

Why?:

• Increase tax money
• Decrease crime
• People will respect & like the law & government much more.
• Overall it would only increase people's spirit,etc.
• Make people respect and like the government more.
• Increase money towards tax. More tax money would go towards cannabis meaning less tax needed (in a way, every bit counts.)
• Decrease crime, because in general having it illegal increases people bad doings. If nicotine became illegal, it would only increase guns,people going to jail,crime attitude,etc.
• Decrease people's chances of going to jail just for wanting some effects.
• In general it may make the smokers seem more happier towards the government,people,etc overall.

What do you think about this?....

MadsL

Finally. Sick of waiting for him to pony up this Bill. Shame he's managed to discredit himself in the meantime.

Any heads of bill for it?

Joy31

double post very sorry about that, mods may please delete one?. sorry about that, I was getting error message.
thank you for understanding.

Fox_In_Socks

MadsL wrote: »

Any heads of bill for it?

What's this new fangled drug-talk? ARE YOU GOING FOR HEROIN LIKE TONY FLYNN???

Sir Humphrey Appleby

It has zero chance of getting through, thankfully.
Just another ego trip for that narcasistic little twirp.

Clandestine

I think this bill should pass. The government should not interfere with a person's personal choices when it comes to their own body, not to mention the $$$ that'll come their way when they start taxing it/selling it.

tashiusclay

Sure isn't it a gateway drug, won't the whole country be on Heroin shortly afterwards??

seven_eleven

Lets just hope this doesnt lead to more braindead pothead teenagers.

There are many positives to it, and I dont mind people smoking it. But there are so many negatives too, its proven to reduce intelligence and learning ability in teenagers, and I know people who smoke it laught at the whole "gateway" thing, but I've seen it happen to people I know so many times. Mainly in their teens.
They've have all moved on to heavier drugs. Some onto dealing too and turned into complete dirtbags. But thats another positive! Hopefully it will remove the scumbag dealers around the country.

It will need to be regulated fairly well, because if 12 year old kids can gain access to ciggarettes no bother, then they will get to this just as easy.



EDIT: Before this turns into another rehashed drug debate with the same point over and over again. Do you think we could get a more reliable source, other than some stupid facebook group?

PhlegmyMoses

Get Bunny Colvin to head up the implementation division.

NegativeCreep

Would love to see it legalised but I don't think it will happen very soon!

I don't smoke regularly at all but would like the option of having a quiet joint in my house without the fear (and increased paranoia) whenever I hear a siren!

I don't even understand why it's illegal!

LizT

Duplicate threads merged.

Vito Corleone

seven_eleven wrote: »

Lets just hope this doesnt lead to more braindead pothead teenagers.

Hardly, it's so easily available anyway it will make no difference. Hopefully it gets passed, however, I don't think it will.

GLaDOS

Don't smoke weed (well, rarely ), but would be in favour of this. Anyone who wants to smoke weed can anyway, this will mean less money to criminals and less risk of people smoking something contaminated.

Clandestine

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

It has zero chance of getting through, thankfully.

Can you see the future?

And thankfully you say? A person should be able to get blazed if they so wish, weed's nowhere near as harmful as alcohol or cigarettes.

MadsL

MadsL wrote: »

Any heads of bill for it?

They are jumping the gun a bit...

Nothing here: http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=59&m=b

Uriel.

Clandestine wrote: »

Can you see the future?

And thankfully you say? A person should be able to get blazed if they so wish, weed's nowhere near as harmful as alcohol or cigarettes.

If alcohol or cigarettes were new inventions tomorrow they'd most likely be illegal.

Do you think all drugs should be legalised?

Wattle

I'm all in favour but I don't think we're ready for this yet. Too many vested interests and Joe Duffy listeners in the way. Maybe in another twenty years.

gowley

Clandestine wrote: »

Can you see the future?

And thankfully you say? A person should be able to get blazed if they so wish, weed's nowhere near as harmful as alcohol or cigarettes.

they are trying to ban cigs aswell Doctor Clandestine. Always amazes me how many medical experts frequent ah

Joy31

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

It has zero chance of getting through, thankfully.
Just another ego trip for that narcasistic little twirp.

Lets make it have a snowball chance of passing, enough is enough. 99% of the people want it to be legal for good reasons and it will have a good outcome.
that's like saying alcohol would have no chance of becoming legal when it was made illegal by one man out of 6 billion people.
and i'm saying that I don't even smoke/use weed.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Joy31 wrote: »

Lets make it have a snowball chance of passing, enough is enough. 99% of the people want it to be legal for good reasons and it will have a good outcome.
that's like saying alcohol would have no chance of becoming legal when it was made illegal by one man out of 6 billion people.
and i'm saying that I don't even smoke/use weed.

You have evidence for the claim that 99% of people want it legalized?
Thought not!

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Clandestine wrote: »

Can you see the future?

Yup, I see a future where the overwhelming majority of elected members of the Dail vote against it on its first reading.
Ming will then squeak in faux outrage and burn some illegal turf in the grounds of the Dail in protest.:P

gowley

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

You have evidence for the claim that 99% of people want it legalized?
Thought not!

maybe he has polled the population on this subject. there are medical experts on the thread so why not a market research expert aswell. mind you not even 99% of this thread agree so you could be right humph

InTheTrees

We legalized it 100% here in Washington State last November. Colorado also legalized it.

There's a one year period where the distribution and tax implications are worked out so we're looking at shops and bars/restaurants/bakeries opening to sell it by this autumn. Its legal to possess right now, its just that there's no legal retail system in place. There had already been medicinal pot so the "clinics" already exist. Presumably in the autumn they will simply open their doors to everyone.

When a couple of years have gone by and other sates are able to study our results we fully expect other states to follow our lead, and after that there should be a cascade effect (much like gay marriage) as other states follow.

Already there's huge savings in Police and law enforcement resources, and in the autumn when retail sales begin there will be substantial tax revenues. Unlike amsterdam that is now discouraging "pot tourism", Seattle is ready to fully embrace it; Come visit Seattle and sample the weed, safely and legally. (Just dont try and take any home with you!)

MadsL

InTheTrees wrote: »

We legalized it 100% here in Washington State last November. Colorado also legalized it.

There's a one year period where the distribution and tax implications are worked out so we're looking at shops and bars/restaurants/bakeries opening to sell it by this autumn. There had already been medicinal pot so the "clinics" already exist. Presumably in the autumn they will simply open their doors to everyone.

When a couple of years have gone by and other sates are able to study our results we fully expect other states to follow our lead, and after that there should be a cascade effect (much like gay marriage) as other states follow.

Already there's huge savings in Police and law enforcement resources, and in the autumn when retail sales begin there will be substantial tax revenues.

Buy Doritos stock now folks!!

Czarcasm

I don't often wish to incite violence but for his own sake would somebody PLEASE fcuk that gobshìte into the deepest boghole they can find, then find somebody who doesn't at least look, smell and act like society's stereotype of your typical pot headed stoner to represent the interests of the marijuana legalisation lobby.

Tired now listening to the whiney little whippet who nobody can ever take seriously!

MadsL

Czarcasm wrote: »

I don't often wish to incite violence but for his own sake would somebody PLEASE fcuk that gobshìte into the deepest boghole they can find, then find somebody who doesn't at least look, smell and act like society's stereotype of your typical pot headed stoner to represent the interests of the marijuana legalisation lobby.

Tired now listening to the whiney little whippet who nobody can ever take seriously!

Exactly, I support legalisation but I would vote no to spite Ming. I'd love it if FG beat him to the legislation and got it passed. The look on Ming's face would be priceless.

antodeco

seven_eleven wrote: »

EDIT: Before this turns into another rehashed drug debate

:pac:

zenno

UMM... Cannabiscuits, Best of luck Ming, but as far as i'm concerned, it may as well be legal in Ireland. But still, it would be nice to get a more different range of cannabis herb for a change.

Christ the Redeemer

Depressing reading the comments in this post. It's like an old folks home or Joe Duffys fans were linked to it on facebook.

InTheTrees

MadsL wrote: »

Buy Doritos stock now folks!!

There's an investor group planning a chain of Pot Shops due to open soon.

There's been interesting issues to emerge too. For instance the POst Office is a federal organization so posting weed would still be subject to confiscation even if it stays within the state. However FedEx and UPS have said they're okay delivering it within the state.

Also technically you're only supposed to smoke it at home. But now they're proposing clubs.

http://news.yahoo.com/now-marijuana-legal-seattle-wants-private-pot-clubs-221050894.html

Christ the Redeemer

MadsL wrote: »

Exactly, I support legalisation but I would vote no to spite Ming. I'd love it if FG beat him to the legislation and got it passed. The look on Ming's face would be priceless.

We need more people like you in politics.

I am being sarky BTW.

gowley

InTheTrees wrote: »

We legalized it 100% here in Washington State last November. Colorado also legalized it.

There's a one year period where the distribution and tax implications are worked out so we're looking at shops and bars/restaurants/bakeries opening to sell it by this autumn. Its legal to possess right now, its just that there's no legal retail system in place. There had already been medicinal pot so the "clinics" already exist. Presumably in the autumn they will simply open their doors to everyone.

When a couple of years have gone by and other sates are able to study our results we fully expect other states to follow our lead, and after that there should be a cascade effect (much like gay marriage) as other states follow.

Already there's huge savings in Police and law enforcement resources, and in the autumn when retail sales begin there will be substantial tax revenues. Unlike amsterdam that is now discouraging "pot tourism", Seattle is ready to fully embrace it; Come visit Seattle and sample the weed, safely and legally. (Just dont try and take any home with you!)

guns are legal there but doesnt mean its right. i can see a reason for debate on the subject but when you read posts like 99% of people agree with making it legal any logic goes out the window. obviously not your post but just trying to say when we get into a debate you get people making stupid statements with no foundation just to make their point. if what you say does happen then good luck to them . it wont happen here though.

InTheTrees

zenno wrote: »

UMM... Cannabiscuits, Best of luck Ming, but as far as i'm concerned, it may as well be legal in Ireland. But still, it would be nice to get a more different range of cannabis herb for a change.

There's a few bakeries planning on opening in Seattle so you wont have to smoke the stuff.

MadsL

zenno wrote: »

UMM... Cannabiscuits, Best of luck Ming, but as far as i'm concerned, it may as well be legal in Ireland. But still, it would be nice to get a more different range of cannabis herb for a change.

Or one that didn't involve ground glass, lead, diesel and other crap, nor the unsavoury criminal aspects of illegal profits.

InTheTrees

gowley wrote: »

guns are legal there but doesnt mean its right. i can see a reason for debate on the subject but when you read posts like 99% of people agree with making it legal any logic goes out the window. obviously not your post but just trying to say when we get into a debate you get people making stupid statements with no foundation just to make their point. if what you say does happen then good luck to them . it wont happen here though.

In time it will, because its the right thing to do. It will spread through the US and Europe. Especially when it looks like it makes economic sense.

Ireland is ripe for it. Imagine how many people would have a healthy alternative to booze? If it helps reduce alcohol consumption then it cant be bad.

MadsL

gowley wrote: »

guns are legal there but doesnt mean its right. i can see a reason for debate on the subject but when you read posts like 99% of people agree with making it legal any logic goes out the window. obviously not your post but just trying to say when we get into a debate you get people making stupid statements with no foundation just to make their point. if what you say does happen then good luck to them . it wont happen here though.

Whoosh...from green to pieces.

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? The US has both legalised the ownership of guns and in some states, weed.

Is there some moral viewpoint that you are appealing to greater than the wishes of the people? God perhaps?

zenno

MadsL wrote: »

Or one that didn't involve ground glass, lead, diesel and other crap, nor the unsavoury criminal aspects of illegal profits.

Of course, that is a big problem indeed, unless you grow it yourself for yourself, at least then you know exactly what's going into it.

I'm still astonished when i hear hash block is still being sold because that stuff especially is mixed with so much junk it will eventually cause a serious problem for smokers. I also have heard of the spraying of glass particles on the cannabis bud, nasty stuff indeed.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

seven_eleven wrote: »

and I know people who smoke it laught at the whole "gateway" thing, but I've seen it happen to people I know so many times.

Every reputable study every carried out on the "gateway" theory show that it is absolute nonsense, a tool used for the vilification of cannabis

But hey, whats the truth in the face of ignorance

120_Minutes

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

It's like an old folks home or Joe Duffys fans were linked to it on facebook.

...and because most of the dail falls into that demographic is the very reason it will fail. I'm all for it, but the current ruling generation needs to die off before it can happen.

Wattle

InTheTrees wrote: »

In time it will, because its the right thing to do. It will spread through the US and Europe. Especially when it looks like it makes economic sense.

Ireland is ripe for it. Imagine how many people would have a healthy alternative to booze? If it helps reduce alcohol consumption then it cant be bad.

This.

I can't see us making the leap until it's legalised in a load more countries.

gowley

MadsL wrote: »

Whoosh...from green to pieces.

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? The US has both legalised the ownership of guns and in some states, weed.

Is there some moral viewpoint that you are appealing to greater than the wishes of the people? God perhaps?

not at all. just pointing out that its hard to have a rational debate when people say 99% of the population want it to be legal with no foundation. the us may have legalised it and guns but i thought the post was about ireland. i cant participate in democracy in the us but imo guns being legalised has created huge problems .

[QUOTE=zenno;
I'm still astonished when i hear hash block is still being sold because that stuff especially is mixed with so much junk it will eventually cause a serious problem for smokers. I also have heard of the spraying of glass particles on the cannabis bud, nasty stuff indeed.[/QUOTE]

Likewise, astonished, ive seen people smoke it and I swear to god, soot rises up in the smoke. Lots of little sooty bits, and they dont even notice:eek: Id rather smoke a tyre. same black smoky effect, can only imagine the state of their lungs

0ph0rce0

Percentage of tourists goes from 1% to 100% in a matter of days.

I'm all for it

MadsL

I can't wait to read the LVA submission on behalf of publicans on the bill, they'll be lobbying for a 75% tax to compensate them for lost revenue.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

I'd recommend "The Union", a documentary about cannabis production in British Columbia

At least it might broaden the minds of those spouting the usual ignorant "brain dead", "dangerous", "gateway" lines here

120_Minutes

InTheTrees wrote: »

Imagine how many people would have a healthy alternative to booze? If it helps reduce alcohol consumption then it cant be bad.

Anything that does that will not be tolerated. Vitners are having a tough time as it is. We cant have a rational debate about introducing a taxable safer drug than the current taxable drug, when its own association is reporting dwindling numbers. Having this legalised scares too many people. Sadly too many vested interests still exist to knock this back down.

zenno

Jake1 wrote: »

Likewise, astonished, ive seen people smoke it and I swear to god, soot rises up in the smoke. Lots of little sooty bits, and they dont even notice:eek: Id rather smoke a tyre. same black smoky effect, can only imagine the state of their lungs

Absolutely. If i was given a KG of that crap for nothing i'd make the person giving it to me eat it A person would want to be Mad to smoke that junk.

downonthefarm

do they still sell that soapbar ****e?
imagine if it was passed. dopey farmers driving around Dublin protesting again

MadsL

120_Minutes wrote: »

Anything that does that will not be tolerated. Vitners are having a tough time as it is. We cant have a rational debate about introducing a taxable safer drug than the current taxable drug, when its own association is reporting dwindling numbers. Having this legalised scared to many people. Sadly too many vested interests still exist to knock this back down.

I'm really all out of f*cks for a monopoly with the ear of Government.

NegativeCreep

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

I'd recommend "The Union", a documentary about cannabis production in British Columbia

At least it might broaden the minds of those spouting the usual ignorant "brain dead", "dangerous", "gateway" lines here

Watched this yesterday It's really great and can be watched for free on YouTube

120_Minutes

MadsL wrote: »

I'm really all out of f*cks for a monopoly with the ear of Government.

You and me both pal, but those with the money to get the ear of Inda, get things done, how it is, how its always been.