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A generation of "Cotton Wool Kids"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    The funny thing is that the parents of these kids grew up playing outdoors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Love2love wrote: »
    Eh, that's what my whole post was about..... I want him to have it but I'm not willing to let him out unsupervised. I've just moved into an area where I'm not local so I think it will take me longer to get use to having him outside alone.

    how can you play properly with your mammy watching you?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    Even responses here are mixed. Look, I don't think that allowing a 6 year old out on a busy main road in Dublin is good parenting. April Jones did know her attacker which actually makes it more terrifying don't you think? You drum in into your kids to be wary of stranger and forget to warn them of the wolf in sheep's clothing. I'm trying to find a balance with my parenting but its hard and no parent is going to make the right choice all the time. And I know that the abductions you hear about on Facebook can't be true. It's always a man in a white van :rolleyes: but the fact of the matter is, it remind you of what CAN happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    how can you play properly with your mammy watching you?:D

    We'd have never been able to play stuff like Emergency Room For Groin-Centred Injuries with parents hanging around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Love2love wrote: »
    Even responses here are mixed. Look, I don't think that allowing a 6 year old out on a busy main road in Dublin is good parenting. April Jones did know her attacker which actually makes it more terrifying don't you think? You drum in into your kids to be wary of stranger and forget to warn them of the wolf in sheep's clothing. I'm trying to find a balance with my parenting but its hard and no parent is going to make the right choice all the time. And I know that the abductions you hear about on Facebook can't be true. It's always a man in a white van :rolleyes: but the fact of the matter is, it remind you of what CAN happen.

    If thats the case, then an arguement can easily be made to 'not have kids'.

    I mean its absolutely ridiculous and insane to go through all the permutations of what could go wrong in your childs life. If you spent your time doing that then you would lose the plot.

    If we killed of social media FB, twitter and fired all those stupid journalists with their tabloid crap would it be okay to let the kids out to play?

    Yes it would, because its the same. But hearing about an abduction in the news in Ohio doesnt mean your child will be taken out of your front garden..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    I have to laugh at people saying that the world is more dangeruos today. That now we have X,Y and Z issues that could harm the children. These issues are nothing new, they were around when you when a child.


  • Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think computer games are a great way for children to learn how to defend themselves against today's modern, heavily armed paedophiles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    And I agree with you..... All I'm saying is, that its hard to find a balance. Do you think allowing a 6 year old to play outside alone on a busy main road good parenting?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Jester252 wrote: »
    I have to laugh at people saying that the world is more dangeruos today. That now we have X,Y and Z issues that could harm the children. These issues are nothing new, they were around when you when a child.

    To be fair, when I was a kid, I wanted to sit on Jimmy Saville's kneee and get a medal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Love2love wrote: »
    And I agree with you..... All I'm saying is, that its hard to find a balance. Do you think allowing a 6 year old to play outside alone on a busy main road good parenting?

    Depends on your perception of busy, or are you actually living facing a busy road?

    Sometimes people over sell things when trying to make a point.

    Or is it just a generic suburban estate?


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  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Only yesterday I was watching george Carlin and his piece about Child Worship' as he called it.

    Hilarious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOt2iXdc4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Love2love wrote: »
    And I agree with you..... All I'm saying is, that its hard to find a balance. Do you think allowing a 6 year old to play outside alone on a busy main road good parenting?

    have you no garden?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    For Instance we used to play squares with a football outside my house. And the road was i suppose busy enough,

    'game on' 'game off

    repeat and recycle.



    Im still of this world btw. untouched.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    mutley18 wrote: »
    Climbing trees, building huts, camping, playing on hay bales, kicking a football around a field, ah the good old days.

    Then Sony invented the Playstation. Curse them!

    Video games were around long before the Playstation, I grew up in the Amstrad/Commodore/NES days and we still played outside plenty. Nothing wrong with letting kids play video games at all but an active outdoor life is needed too, tis all about balance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭NeonCookies


    I do feel sorry for parents these days (I'm not one yet, but would like to be in the future) - you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. Keep your kid inside, and you're wrapping them in cotton wool. Let them play on the road and you're putting them at risk of cars, kidnapping etc. I suppose parents could get together to supervise the kids out on the road for half an hour each, bring them to the park to run around etc. It takes extra work and effort, but the dangers aren't an excuse to simply let them sit in on the XBox all day! And if anything deserves extra work - it's your kids!! Its a toughie though.

    As for the "germs" brigade....people need to get a life. My brother used to eat the soil out of the potted plants, and carried snails around in his pocket. He's perfectly healthy! I used to sit in my dad's wheelbarrow filled with stones and soil, and washing my hands before dinner involved quickly wetting them and smearing the dirt off on the towel. I barely know my doctor! Kids are growing up with no immunity whatsoever, and antibiotics for everything. When I was a kid, being sick meant staying in bed all day with warm drinks and cuddles. Now, kids are carted off to the doctor at the first hint of a sniffle and given pills. I've seen it with my cousins kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    listermint wrote: »
    Depends on your perception of busy, or are you actually living facing a busy road?

    Sometimes people over sell things when trying to make a point.

    Or is it just a generic suburban estate?

    Swords Road just at the start of the M1....

    I do have a garden and he does play in it but it gets boring playing on your own. As I said, not moved in and he's not going to school in the area so he doesn't know anyone around


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Just out of curiosity, how many of the posters who are advocating letting kids out alone have kids, and can you give us some examples of the freedom you give them that I for example don't give my kids. Some of the posters are giving me the impression that they don't have kids, so I'd like to hear the other side of the arguement from those who do have kids.

    I can't remember exactly who said it, but a movie producer once said,
    'I had 1000s of theories on raising kids and no kids, now I've 6 kids and no theories'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Dartz wrote: »
    Blame the plethora of pedophiles and kiddy-fiddlers hiding behind every bush. And Sky News, the Star, The Sun, for telling us all about them

    I have a 2 year old that plays on the road (quiet cul de sac) with the older kids he loves chasing them. Plenty of skinned knees and elbows and dirty hands to be had. He obviously doesn't play on his own without parental supervision but you have to give them SOME freedom. Explain the dangers to them about strangers/traffic etc and as one poster said the old "stay in sight" rule usually works.
    I share a lot of the OP's concerns, and as a parent myself will be raising my children the 'Spartan way'. I'll be sending them up the Dublin mountains with only a loin cloth and a sharp stick once they are 7. They are not to return home until they have killed a large mammal such as a fox, badger or cow.


    Pfffft Foxes and Badgers are for the eating. He is not a TRUE Spartan until he brings home a freshly skinned joyrider (if he doesn't bring home the Burberry baseball cap he fails the test):D

    zerks wrote: »
    The funny thing is that the parents of these kids grew up playing outdoors.


    ^^^THIS!!! Yes there where less cars on the roads but FFS we all ate dirt/ants/spiders/snails. I used to go down the canals in England when i was 8 years old to catch newts and tadpoles.
    Love2love wrote: »
    Swords Road just at the start of the M1....

    I do have a garden and he does play in it but it gets boring playing on your own. As I said, not moved in and he's not going to school in the area so he doesn't know anyone around

    Find clubs or parent groups to introduce him to others. FFs let him loose in a park for ten minutes kids soon make friends. It's up to you then to approach the other kids parents and start talking to them. Let them know he is new to area and doesn't go to school. Ask about children s activities in the area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    Look back people, to the Ireland of yesteryear, you think there were no paedophiles? If you didn't live with them then they were neighbours. The difference, social media, some cases now are reported yes only some hundreds and thousands are not, therefore because you hear of them it makes it seem like it's an epidemic. Sad to say it has always been there. You are not protecting your child by going to every single nook and cranny he/she goes too, they will grow up not being able to make a decision without you or someone saying yay or nay.
    The only way to protect your child is to educate them of the dangers. Tell them why you want them to never ever talk to strangers. Not in a way that is going to give them sleepless nights, although they need a little fear to make them think twice about talking to this person they do not know. Tell them what could happen if you run across a road and not look, if they climb the tree way too high they might fall. They also might not fall. The car might not come at that time, the stranger could just be a kind person, yes they do exist also. It is about learning them to make judgements on their own.
    Things are always going to happen and the next thing you watch or read about will be ten times worse than the last item you read or watched. Stifling little Mary or Johnny in a cocoon to protect them is doing more harm than good.
    From the day they were born your worry began and will be with you to the day you die, don't make it any more stressful than it needs to be.

    I have three teens, they survived this far.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Anybody want to build a base?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    krudler wrote: »
    Video games were around long before the Playstation, I grew up in the Amstrad/Commodore/NES days and we still played outside plenty. Nothing wrong with letting kids play video games at all but an active outdoor life is needed too, tis all about balance.

    We were hunted outside the house when the weather was good. Power turned off from the fuse box and that was that.

    Grew up in the country where the speed limit on the road was 60mph and it was wide enough for 1.25 cars. Cycled 1 mile to school when it wasn't pouring down and I can only remember being driven a handful of times.

    I sound like I'm a 70 year old but I'm only 28.


    These kids are going to be messed up when they're adults and are going to go completely wild if they go to college. We all know the child who was raised by strict parents and went on to have 4 kids by the time they're 20 or turn into an alcohol fueled demon Monday-Thursday and then turn into Daddy's angel on Friday when they get the bus home from uni


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I'm sure there's a passable Charlie McGettigan and Paul Harrington parody in there somewhere...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Caliden wrote: »
    We were hunted outside the house when the weather was good. Power turned off from the fuse box and that was that.

    Grew up in the country where the speed limit on the road was 60mph and it was wide enough for 1.25 cars. Cycled 1 mile to school when it wasn't pouring down and I can only remember being driven a handful of times.

    I sound like I'm a 70 year old but I'm only 28.


    These kids are going to be messed up when they're adults and are going to go completely wild if they go to college. We all know the child who was raised by strict parents and went on to have 4 kids by the time they're 20 or turn into an alcohol fueled demon Monday-Thursday and then turn into Daddy's angel on Friday when they get the bus home from uni

    Ha yeah, we just went "out" when we were kids "where ya going?!" "out!" long as you were back for dinner there wasn't a bother on us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    There was always enjoyable and worthwhile indoor stuff competing for my attention back in the day too: records, TV, books, Atari console etc.

    It's all about balance: not a monastic indoor existence but also not being kicked out of the house from dawn until dusk either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,123 ✭✭✭RikkFlair


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I'm sure there's a passable Charlie McGettigan and Paul Harrington parody in there somewhere...

    "We never seem to cotton woooooooooooooll.....any more"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭NeonCookies


    caustic 1 wrote: »
    Look back people, to the Ireland of yesteryear, you think there were no paedophiles? If you didn't live with them then they were neighbours. The difference, social media, some cases now are reported yes only some hundreds and thousands are not, therefore because you hear of them it makes it seem like it's an epidemic. Sad to say it has always been there. You are not protecting your child by going to every single nook and cranny he/she goes too, they will grow up not being able to make a decision without you or someone saying yay or nay.
    The only way to protect your child is to educate them of the dangers. Tell them why you want them to never ever talk to strangers. Not in a way that is going to give them sleepless nights, although they need a little fear to make them think twice about talking to this person they do not know. Tell them what could happen if you run across a road and not look, if they climb the tree way too high they might fall. They also might not fall. The car might not come at that time, the stranger could just be a kind person, yes they do exist also. It is about learning them to make judgements on their own.

    Exactly, parents shouldn't shy away from this education - it won't make a child lose their innocence, if something happened god forbid...that most certainly would.

    I remember going for a piano lesson with a new teacher, my mum told me "I'll be outside the door, if he does anything strange like touch you in a way you feel uncomfortable, or says anything strange, come straight outside and tell me" I was only about 8 at the time, but it meant I knew what to do if something untoward happened - he couldn't say "you'll be in trouble if you tell your mammy etc." because I already knew I should tell my mum! My mum has said this to people and they are shocked she'd dare mention something like that to her 8 year old daughter, but what's the alternative?? Me sitting there silently terrified while my mother sits outside the door unaware?

    Same how when I went to my friend's houses, my mum would say "make sure you stay with your friend all the time and don't go wandering off in the house with any adults by yourself" - I didn't understand it at the time, but now I most certainly do!

    Same with being collected outside school - the thing of "Oh your mum told me to collect you because she can't make it" wouldn't have worked because I was told that if there were any changes to the plan, my principal would come and tell me because my parents would let them know!

    Educate kids on what to do in these situations, and the chances of something terrible happening will decrease dramatically! I was never a scared, paranoid child - I could chat away to people no problem, and was very confident. I simply knew how to recognise a dangerous situation, and what to do to deal with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Timothy Bryce


    Was waiting on a prescription in a pharmacy recently during the hot weather - a mummy (of the Range Rover driving ilk) came in with her son (about 9 or 10) complaining that he was feeling tired/unwell because he was playing in the sun and got a bit dehydrated.

    He started crying saying 'the other boys took my water'.

    The pharmacist effectively told the mum that he needs to harden up a bit, and that a bit of sun and running about won't kill him.

    Kids these days! When I was his age I was walking 30 miles to school in the snow and 50 miles home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    mutley18 wrote: »
    Climbing trees, building huts, camping, playing on hay bales, kicking a football around a field, ah the good old days.

    Then Sony invented the Playstation. Curse them!
    When I was a kid in the 80s we had an Atari, but my love was books. I'd sit in and read from dusk till dawn. The difference between now and then is that there was only one telly in most houses when we were little, so no chance to play games for hours on end because mum'd want to watch telly, and they'd take the book off you and hunt you outside; "Get out! And don't come back until you hear the Angulus!"
    zerks wrote: »
    I hate the ad for the soap dispenser you don't need to touch,ffs it dispenses disinfectant so it doesn't matter if you touch the bloody thing.:mad:
    What annoys me about that is that it's completely useless. You turn on the tap with your germy hands, soap up, rinse off, and then turn the germy tap off with your hands, reinfecting them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Exactly, parents shouldn't shy away from this education - it won't make a child lose their innocence, if something happened god forbid...that most certainly would.

    I remember going for a piano lesson with a new teacher, my mum told me "I'll be outside the door, if he does anything strange like touch you in a way you feel uncomfortable, or says anything strange, come straight outside and tell me" I was only about 8 at the time, but it meant I knew what to do if something untoward happened - he couldn't say "you'll be in trouble if you tell your mammy etc." because I already knew I should tell my mum! My mum has said this to people and they are shocked she'd dare mention something like that to her 8 year old daughter, but what's the alternative?? Me sitting there silently terrified while my mother sits outside the door unaware?

    Same how when I went to my friend's houses, my mum would say "make sure you stay with your friend all the time and don't go wandering off in the house with any adults by yourself" - I didn't understand it at the time, but now I most certainly do!

    Same with being collected outside school - the thing of "Oh your mum told me to collect you because she can't make it" wouldn't have worked because I was told that if there were any changes to the plan, my principal would come and tell me because my parents would let them know!

    Educate kids on what to do in these situations, and the chances of something terrible happening will decrease dramatically! I was never a scared, paranoid child - I could chat away to people no problem, and was very confident. I simply knew how to recognise a dangerous situation, and what to do to deal with it.

    Yeah, I couldn't understand why my Mum always asked if I went to a sleepover - "do you girls sleep in (friends name)'s bedroom or in the sitting room on the floor?". I was totally baffled by the "irrelevance" of it. Now I know what she was worried about.

    Re the school collection, we were told not to accept lifts from anyone, even those we knew. Mum said she would always find a way to communicate the message to me if I had to be picked up by a relative or friend. She said "even your uncle" is not to give you a lift unless I have told you first. I remember one day a teacher told me that mums car was broken down and that she would bring me home. I refused to get into the car, naturally! In the end, her and the principle actually frogmarched and bundled me into the car against my will! fuuckers...If it wasnt for the statute of limitations I'd have her for it (she used to hit us too) B1tch!


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,498 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Love2love wrote: »
    Swords Road just at the start of the M1....

    I do have a garden and he does play in it but it gets boring playing on your own. As I said, not moved in and he's not going to school in the area so he doesn't know anyone around

    Scouts - gets them out and about in the fresh air and making friends.


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