Gibraltar

delthedriver · 28-07-2013 07:15PM

Old and grey wrote: »

Sice when did 27% become a majority?

Apologies, fair comment.

The majority of Gibraltarians voted on 2 occasions to remain British

losthorizon · 28-07-2013 07:26PM

I read that Daily Mail article and under the picture of the Jet Ski it says

Jet-skier: Dale Villa was not wanted for any particular crime and was not thought to have strayed out of British waters into Spanish territory last month

"Not wanted for a particular crime" - An odd way to put things.

Had a check round other sites and Spanish police have claimed he was smuggling .
The Daily Mail does not even mention that. That part of Spain/ Europe is notorious for that so its odd to leave that piece of info out. Plus the person from Gibraltar who took the video cant even spell Gibraltar somethings odd.

delthedriver · 28-07-2013 07:26PM

delthedriver wrote: »

What exactly is your point?

Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

Who is laughing now ?

All very quiet now Just for a Laugh?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 28-07-2013 07:30PM

It's a crummy little cramped and depressing place. The inhabitants speak mainly Spanish as far as I know. I was in a petrol station there are the girl behind the counter didnt speak english. We drove around the island and I couldn't wait to get out of the place. It's a completely pointless place, long queues to get into, then longer delays if a plane is landing as you actually drive on the runway to enter the island and you are then subject to even longer queues and random car searches on the way out again. All the queuing means the island is regularly gridlocked with traffic.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 28-07-2013 07:33PM

delthedriver wrote: »

No but the majority of Gibraltarians voted to remain a British colony on at least 2 occasions, indeed as recently as 2002

Thats fine, but the Spanish have every legal right to stop and check every vehicle and person crossing their border, there is nothing whatsoever illegal in that.

Sunnyisland · 28-07-2013 07:34PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.

In all fairness Spain has never ceased its claim on Gibraltar since 1704,

Since the capture of Gibraltar in 1704, Spain has tried to recover it by military and diplomatic means. The 18th century saw three unsuccessful sieges (1704, 1727 and the Great Siege, between 1779 and 1783).

The territorial claim was formally reasserted by the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco in the 1960s and has been continued by successive Spanish governments.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"][COLOR=#0066cc]citation needed[/COLOR][/URL][/I They have insisted that the Gibraltar dispute is a purely bilateral matter between Britain and Spain, and that the current Gibraltarians are mere settlers whose role and will are irrelevant. This principle appears to have been reflected in the United Nations resolutions on the decolonisation of Gibraltar in the 1960s, which focused on the "interests" and not the "wishes" of the Gibraltarians...

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=spain%27s+claim+to+gibraltar+&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDisputed_status_of_Gibraltar&ei=YWP1UbyQBsGK7AaGmoGgDw&usg=AFQjCNF5yKazRkgrCR-cSFgGgRHZcOQ1oA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.ZGU

wretcheddomain · 28-07-2013 07:35PM

Wouldn't mind seeing a full-scale war break out over this as it might have the slightly positive effect of repressing the news about those Royal c**ts lately.

ArnoldJRimmer · 28-07-2013 07:36PM

Went there for a look once when staying in the south of Spain. A really depressing little hole. God knows what its like when the sun isn't shining. Got hopelessly lost trying to find the place due to the lack of signposts on the Spanish side, and then had to queue 2 hours to get out of the place. Given the continued petulance of the Spanish in trying to cause as much disruption as possible there, I'm with the locals on this one

wretcheddomain · 28-07-2013 07:36PM

realies wrote: »

In all fairness Spain has never ceased its claim on Gibraltar since 1704,

Since the capture of Gibraltar in 1704, Spain has tried to recover it by military and diplomatic means.

I never claimed it did.

The Falklands War was partly triggered by the same distraction technique.

And so the same is true here, except there's no risk of any military action.

delthedriver · 28-07-2013 07:37PM

Old and grey wrote: »

Thats fine, but the Spanish have every legal right to stop and check every vehicle and person crossing their border, there is nothing whatsoever illegal in that.

Agree totally. Of course the Spanish are entitled to check cars and people entering their country in the same way as ROI check at our airports and ferry ports.

delthedriver · 28-07-2013 07:40PM

CJC999 wrote: »

It's a crummy little cramped and depressing place. The inhabitants speak mainly Spanish as far as I know. I was in a petrol station there are the girl behind the counter didnt speak english. We drove around the island and I couldn't wait to get out if the place. It's a completely pointless place, long queues to get into, the longer delays if a plane is landing as you actually drive on the runway to enter the island and you are then subject to linger queues and random car searches on the way out again. All the queuing means the island is regularly gridlocked with traffic.

I thought it was a peninsula rather than an island

Sunnyisland · 28-07-2013 07:44PM

I have been there many a time,the last one was just last month(have an off shore bank account where I hide me money):P;) I find the Rock a great place full of history and so different from the Iberian penisuala which surrounds it,The gibraltians were/are lovely and very intresting and I also found them all very much wanting to stay with the Brits.

The tours of the caves are something else,which are boared into the rock its self, quite amazing imo that is.

And the cigarettes are for nothing and its gas every single day watching the Smugglers buy lots of them and going back across to la linea with the police very seldom stopping them,it seems they are more intrested in the bigger fish:)

Cee-Jay-Cee · 28-07-2013 07:46PM

delthedriver wrote: »

I thought it was a peninsula rather than an island

Yeah maybe it is, why don't you google it, I'm all out of fcuks right now.

delthedriver · 28-07-2013 07:46PM

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Went there for a look once when staying in the south of Spain. A really depressing little hole. God knows what its like when the sun isn't shining. Got hopelessly lost trying to find the place due to the lack of signposts on the Spanish side, and then had to queue 2 hours to get out of the place. Given the continued petulance of the Spanish in trying to cause as much disruption as possible there, I'm with the locals on this one

The Spanish are not in favour of signposting GBR . Perhaps it has something to do with cheaper cigs and drink in Morrissons.

delthedriver · 28-07-2013 07:49PM

CJC999 wrote: »

Yeah maybe it is, why don't you google it, I'm all out of fcuks right now.

No problem. Have been there numerous times:)

Sunnyisland · 28-07-2013 07:50PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I never claimed it did.

The Falklands War was partly triggered by the same distraction technique.

And so the same is true here, except there's no risk of any military action.

You said Spain uses it as a distraction from its economic meltdown and I pointed out that regardless of spain economic staus it always had a claim on Gilbralta .

neris · 28-07-2013 07:52PM

been to gib a few times unfortunatly and not somewhere id be to pushed to go back to. nothing there apart from a few monkeys, tunnels and a runway. Id say 90% of the brits claiming residency for tax purposes dont actually live there. Spanish are better off with out it and the "wanabe" brits

Aidric · 28-07-2013 08:00PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

Who is laughing now ?

That post reads like a Sun editorial.

justforlaugh · 28-07-2013 08:01PM

Ziphius wrote: »

The people of Gibraltar are British Citizens and, yes, they voted to remain a British Overseas Territory twice.

delthedriver wrote: »

What exactly is your point?

Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

Who is laughing now ?

why are you asking me if i am antiBritish and sf supporter

then going on about the IRA! Not once i had post anything that was antiBritish

you seem very defensive.

Conmaicne Mara · 28-07-2013 08:04PM

languagenerd wrote: »

There are Union Jacks everywhere (and Spanish flags everywhere on the other side of the border) and it very much resembles the U.K. in most ways.

So what you're saying is on the Gib side there are pubs with corrie on serving steak, eggs, and chips while across the border in Spain there are, uhm, pubs showing corrie and serving steak, eggs and chips

No wonder they don't want change!

ArnoldJRimmer · 28-07-2013 08:11PM

delthedriver wrote: »

The Spanish are not in favour of signposting GBR . Perhaps it has something to do with cheaper cigs and drink in Morrissons.

The highest point of my day there was when I found out the price of cigarettes

expectationlost · 28-07-2013 08:15PM

referendums voted on by colonists, watch result do you expect, it should be given back to spain

Sunnyisland · 28-07-2013 08:21PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

So what you're saying is on the Gib side there are pubs with corrie on serving steak, eggs, and chips while across the border in Spain there are, uhm, pubs showing corrie and serving steak, eggs and chips

No wonder they don't want change!

Well to the best of my knowledge la linea be more like a smuggling town,there are not that many brits restaurants that side or like the costa,s,but if you want or are looking for anything cheap or illegal that's the place to go to,very rough and you want to have your wits about you,Reminds me of that place on the USA/MEICAO border thinks its called el paso

mattjack · 28-07-2013 08:26PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing a full-scale war break out over this as it might have the slightly positive effect of repressing the news about those Royal c**ts lately.

A full scale war you say .And if
Spain won the Spanish students here would be more annoying , hopefully France might invade too ...thats what Europe needs another war ... Viva L'Espana

rossie1977 · 28-07-2013 08:29PM

the rock itself i thought was well worth the visit for the monkeys alone, everyone was really nice too there, can't fault the place

mattjack · 28-07-2013 08:37PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

the rock itself i thought was well worth the visit for the monkeys alone, everyone was really nice too there, can't fault the place

Apes , Barbary Apes .

MadsL · 28-07-2013 08:42PM

expectationlost wrote: »

referendums voted on by colonists, watch result do you expect, it should be given back to spain

Errm? Referendums by residents. Bit of a difference.

In a 1967 referendum on sovereignty organised by the British Government, 99.6% of voters voted to remain under British sovereignty.

In a second referendum on sovereignty held in November 2002 by the Government of Gibraltar, 187 voted yes (1%) and 17,900 voted no (99%) on the proposal of sharing sovereignty with Spain

By the way, the Spanish have not returned the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_de_Albor%C3%A1n
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islas_Chafarinas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%C3%B1%C3%B3n_de_V%C3%A9lez_de_la_Gomera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%C3%B1%C3%B3n_de_Alhucemas

Also Spain has held no referendum in Western Saraha, a territory disputed with Morocco and with the local Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic independence movement. Kind of ironic since Spain's claim to Gibraltar is based on territorial integrity, as per UN Resolution 1514 (XV) (1960) which according to Spain complements and constrains the right to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations."

mad muffin · 28-07-2013 08:44PM

If I had to choose between Spain or the UK I know I wouldn't be choosing Spain, that's for sure.

ted1 · 28-07-2013 08:49PM

justforlaugh wrote: »

is there many irish living in Gibraltar, i never been there but just wonder

The only 2 I ever heard of living there were shot by the SAS.
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/stage/theatre/death-on-the-rock-25-years-later-1.1336025

Sunnyisland · 28-07-2013 08:58PM

ted1 wrote: »

The only 2 I ever heard of living there were shot by the SAS.
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/stage/theatre/death-on-the-rock-25-years-later-1.1336025

Them people never lived there and there were 3 shot dead by the SAS,
A local jury found the killings lawful, although the European Court of Human Rights found otherwise. At the same time it rejected calls for damages by their families, given that the three “had been intending to plant a bomb”.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=death%20on%20the%20rock&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fculture%2Fstage%2Ftheatre%2Fdeath-on-the-rock-25-years-later-1.1336025&ei=F3f1Ufv8OMGO7QaS74HYBw&usg=AFQjCNGZK53CrDXHF3R9fKt0QtQCeUl9BA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.ZG4

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