Gibraltar

justforlaugh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380286/Spain-escalates-Gibraltar-stand-stopping-10-000-vehicles-leaving-Rock-sparking-hour-border-delays-86F-heat.html

Gibraltar surely belong to Spain right!

I know some say what about Canary Islands right next to north west of Africa but Gibraltar's territory covers 6.843 square kilometres (2.642 sq mi) and shares a 1.2-kilometre (0.75 mi) land border with Spain (The bold bit i copy and paste it from wikipedia)

What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

corktina

may as well say the same about the North or Wales I guess.... people don't like being MADE to do something

Mint Sauce

What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

Two referendums have said otherwise.

dd972

We'll put our hands up, should be OK, not armed

BLAM, BLAM, BLAM

.....too late !

cml387

It's something to do with monkeys.

delthedriver

justforlaugh wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380286/Spain-escalates-Gibraltar-stand-stopping-10-000-vehicles-leaving-Rock-sparking-hour-border-delays-86F-heat.html

Gibraltar surely belong to Spain right!

I know a few might say what about Canary Islands right next to north west of Africa but Gibraltar's territory covers 6.843 square kilometres (2.642 sq mi) and shares a 1.2-kilometre (0.75 mi) land border with Spain (The bold bit i copy and paste it from wikipedia)

What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

Mmmmmmmm! Should the 26 counties be returned to the Uk? Sure what harm would it do?:D

Have been in Gibraltar on numerous occasions, from my experience the Gibraltarians are more British than Uk.

A subject for another day perhaps?:)

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Well, the Spainards are quite entitled to check every single vehicle and person crossing the border, there is nothing illegal in that. Long may they do it.

languagenerd

The Gibraltarians don't want to be part of Spain - there have been two referendums and both times they voted to stay part of the U.K./their own state. It's been ruled by the U.K. since 1713, all the people who live there have grown up under this regime, as did their parents and grandparents (not including immigrants, obviously). Following your logic, what harm would it be if Ireland was "handed back" to Britain?

I've been there a couple of times, most recently last summer. There are Union Jacks everywhere (and Spanish flags everywhere on the other side of the border) and it very much resembles the U.K. in most ways. Sad to see this sort of fighting going on though, you'd think after 300 years it would stop being a point of contention...

I'm not saying I think it should be British rather than Spanish, btw, it's a very weird place and a weird situation. I just think we should leave it to the inhabitants...

Peregrine

justforlaugh wrote: »

What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

2 referendums and they both showed that 99% of the people want it to remain as a British territory.

Just because it's beside it doesn't mean it belongs to it, it belongs to who the people decide it belongs to. Gibraltar is British and so is the Falklands according to its citizens.

So what harm you ask? Harm of handing over your citizens to a country that 99% of them doesn't want to be in.

wretcheddomain

Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.

dundalkfc10

They even have an offical Football team now. World Cup 2022 is theres

justforlaugh

delthedriver wrote: »

Mmmmmmmm! Should the 26 counties be returned to the Uk? Sure what harm would it do?:D

Have been in Gibraltar on numerous occasions, from my experience the Gibraltarians are more British than Uk.

A subject for another day perhaps?:)

when i think of Gibraltarians i think of eva carneiro (chelsea physio)

delthedriver

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.

Well said! ::)

justforlaugh

is there many irish living in Gibraltar, i never been there but just wonder

Gummy Panda

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.

Yep basically this.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

justforlaugh wrote: »

is there many irish living in Gibraltar, i never been there but just wonder

That would be the 1% that voted to be Spanish.

justforlaugh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarian_people

Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural mixture of the many immigrants who came to the Rock of Gibraltar over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants who came to Gibraltar following its capture by an Anglo-Dutch force in 1704. All but 70 of the existing population of 4,000 fled to the surrounding Campo de Gibraltar.[4] The few Spaniards who remained, left in 1727 when Gibraltar was subjected to its second Spanish siege.
Most Gibraltarian surnames are typically of Mediterranean extraction. The exact breakdown is as follows:
]
1 British 27%
2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan)24%
3 Italian 19%
4 Portuguese11%
5 Maltese 8%
6 Jewish 3%
7 Minorcan 2%
8 Other 4%
9 Unassigned2%


Not very British is it

oldyouth

Is there anything to be said for a civil war? They're great gas altogether

Peregrine

justforlaugh wrote: »

Most Gibraltarian surnames are typically of Mediterranean extraction. The exact breakdown is as follows:
]
1 British 27%
2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan)24%
3 Italian 19%
4 Portuguese11%
5 Maltese 8%
6 Jewish 3%
7 Minorcan 2%
8 Other 4%
9 Unassigned2%


Not very British is it

You're saying it's not British because only 27% have a British surname? It's a territory, it's not Britian.

People who live there now came from a lot of places.

Whatever about surnames, British is still the most common.

delthedriver

justforlaugh wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarian_people

Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural mixture of the many immigrants who came to the Rock of Gibraltar over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants who came to Gibraltar following its capture by an Anglo-Dutch force in 1704. All but 70 of the existing population of 4,000 fled to the surrounding Campo de Gibraltar.[4] The few Spaniards who remained, left in 1727 when Gibraltar was subjected to its second Spanish siege.
Most Gibraltarian surnames are typically of Mediterranean extraction. The exact breakdown is as follows:
]
1 British 27%
2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan)24%
3 Italian 19%
4 Portuguese11%
5 Maltese 8%
6 Jewish 3%
7 Minorcan 2%
8 Other 4%
9 Unassigned2%


Not very British is it

Looking at your stats, the majority are British:pac:

Sir Humphrey Appleby

delthedriver wrote: »

Looking at your stats, the majority are British:pac:

Sice when did 27% become a majority?

justforlaugh

delthedriver wrote: »

Looking at your stats, the majority are British:pac:

read it again the british are not the majority

losthorizon

justforlaugh wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380286/Spain-escalates-Gibraltar-stand-stopping-10-000-vehicles-leaving-Rock-sparking-hour-border-delays-86F-heat.html

Gibraltar surely belong to Spain right!

I know some say what about Canary Islands right next to north west of Africa but Gibraltar's territory covers 6.843 square kilometres (2.642 sq mi) and shares a 1.2-kilometre (0.75 mi) land border with Spain (The bold bit i copy and paste it from wikipedia)

What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

Hope that stops - I'm going there in three weeks time. Should you read the Daily Mail? http://shouldireadthedailymail.com/


The Spanish have a cheek anyway - they hold bits of Moroccan soil.

Ceuta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

Melilla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla

and the plazas de soberanía. Maybe they should give these back first!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plazas_de_soberan%C3%ADa

justforlaugh

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

You're saying it's not British because only 27% have a British surname? It's a territory, it's not Britian.

People who live there now came from a lot of places.

Whatever about surnames, British is still the most common.

but someone who been there a few time just posted there are British flag everywhere in Gibraltar !

Dozen Wicked Words

justforlaugh wrote: »

but someone who been there a few time just posted there full of British flag in Gibraltar !

So even though they aren't British they still voted to remain a British territory?

justforlaugh

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

So even though they aren't British they still voted to remain a British territory?

ok i give you that one

delthedriver

justforlaugh wrote: »

but someone who been there a few time just posted there are British flag everywhere in Gibraltar !

What exactly is your point?

Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

Who is laughing now ?

Peregrine

justforlaugh wrote: »

but someone who been there a few time just posted there are British flag everywhere in Gibraltar !

Hang on..what are you saying??

The stats you put up were about surname origins in Gibraltar which has nothing to do with this, the British didn't arrive there last year or anything.

The people who live there chooses to stay as a British territory, like it has been for 300 years.

delthedriver

justforlaugh wrote: »

read it again the british are not the majority

No but the majority of Gibraltarians voted to remain a British colony on at least 2 occasions, indeed as recently as 2002

Ziphius

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

So even though they aren't British they still voted to remain a British territory?

The people of Gibraltar are British Citizens and, yes, they voted to remain a British Overseas Territory twice.

My name is URL

It's a bloody horrid place (as are a few other of their territories), but it's British until the people living there say otherwise.

delthedriver

Old and grey wrote: »

Sice when did 27% become a majority?

Apologies, fair comment.

The majority of Gibraltarians voted on 2 occasions to remain British

losthorizon

I read that Daily Mail article and under the picture of the Jet Ski it says

Jet-skier: Dale Villa was not wanted for any particular crime and was not thought to have strayed out of British waters into Spanish territory last month

"Not wanted for a particular crime" - An odd way to put things.

Had a check round other sites and Spanish police have claimed he was smuggling .
The Daily Mail does not even mention that. That part of Spain/ Europe is notorious for that so its odd to leave that piece of info out. Plus the person from Gibraltar who took the video cant even spell Gibraltar somethings odd.

delthedriver

delthedriver wrote: »

What exactly is your point?

Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

Who is laughing now ?

All very quiet now Just for a Laugh?

Cee-Jay-Cee

It's a crummy little cramped and depressing place. The inhabitants speak mainly Spanish as far as I know. I was in a petrol station there are the girl behind the counter didnt speak english. We drove around the island and I couldn't wait to get out of the place. It's a completely pointless place, long queues to get into, then longer delays if a plane is landing as you actually drive on the runway to enter the island and you are then subject to even longer queues and random car searches on the way out again. All the queuing means the island is regularly gridlocked with traffic.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

delthedriver wrote: »

No but the majority of Gibraltarians voted to remain a British colony on at least 2 occasions, indeed as recently as 2002

Thats fine, but the Spanish have every legal right to stop and check every vehicle and person crossing their border, there is nothing whatsoever illegal in that.

Sunnyisland

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.

In all fairness Spain has never ceased its claim on Gibraltar since 1704,

Since the capture of Gibraltar in 1704, Spain has tried to recover it by military and diplomatic means. The 18th century saw three unsuccessful sieges (1704, 1727 and the Great Siege, between 1779 and 1783).

The territorial claim was formally reasserted by the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco in the 1960s and has been continued by successive Spanish governments.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"][COLOR=#0066cc]citation needed[/COLOR][/URL][/I They have insisted that the Gibraltar dispute is a purely bilateral matter between Britain and Spain, and that the current Gibraltarians are mere settlers whose role and will are irrelevant. This principle appears to have been reflected in the United Nations resolutions on the decolonisation of Gibraltar in the 1960s, which focused on the "interests" and not the "wishes" of the Gibraltarians...



http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=spain%27s+claim+to+gibraltar+&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDisputed_status_of_Gibraltar&ei=YWP1UbyQBsGK7AaGmoGgDw&usg=AFQjCNF5yKazRkgrCR-cSFgGgRHZcOQ1oA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.ZGU

wretcheddomain

Wouldn't mind seeing a full-scale war break out over this as it might have the slightly positive effect of repressing the news about those Royal c**ts lately.

ArnoldJRimmer

Went there for a look once when staying in the south of Spain. A really depressing little hole. God knows what its like when the sun isn't shining. Got hopelessly lost trying to find the place due to the lack of signposts on the Spanish side, and then had to queue 2 hours to get out of the place. Given the continued petulance of the Spanish in trying to cause as much disruption as possible there, I'm with the locals on this one

wretcheddomain

realies wrote: »

In all fairness Spain has never ceased its claim on Gibraltar since 1704,

Since the capture of Gibraltar in 1704, Spain has tried to recover it by military and diplomatic means.

I never claimed it did.

The Falklands War was partly triggered by the same distraction technique.

And so the same is true here, except there's no risk of any military action.

delthedriver

Old and grey wrote: »

Thats fine, but the Spanish have every legal right to stop and check every vehicle and person crossing their border, there is nothing whatsoever illegal in that.

Agree totally. Of course the Spanish are entitled to check cars and people entering their country in the same way as ROI check at our airports and ferry ports.

delthedriver

CJC999 wrote: »

It's a crummy little cramped and depressing place. The inhabitants speak mainly Spanish as far as I know. I was in a petrol station there are the girl behind the counter didnt speak english. We drove around the island and I couldn't wait to get out if the place. It's a completely pointless place, long queues to get into, the longer delays if a plane is landing as you actually drive on the runway to enter the island and you are then subject to linger queues and random car searches on the way out again. All the queuing means the island is regularly gridlocked with traffic.

I thought it was a peninsula rather than an island

Sunnyisland

I have been there many a time,the last one was just last month(have an off shore bank account where I hide me money):P;) I find the Rock a great place full of history and so different from the Iberian penisuala which surrounds it,The gibraltians were/are lovely and very intresting and I also found them all very much wanting to stay with the Brits.

The tours of the caves are something else,which are boared into the rock its self, quite amazing imo that is.

And the cigarettes are for nothing and its gas every single day watching the Smugglers buy lots of them and going back across to la linea with the police very seldom stopping them,it seems they are more intrested in the bigger fish:)

Cee-Jay-Cee

delthedriver wrote: »

I thought it was a peninsula rather than an island

Yeah maybe it is, why don't you google it, I'm all out of fcuks right now.

delthedriver

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Went there for a look once when staying in the south of Spain. A really depressing little hole. God knows what its like when the sun isn't shining. Got hopelessly lost trying to find the place due to the lack of signposts on the Spanish side, and then had to queue 2 hours to get out of the place. Given the continued petulance of the Spanish in trying to cause as much disruption as possible there, I'm with the locals on this one

The Spanish are not in favour of signposting GBR . Perhaps it has something to do with cheaper cigs and drink in Morrissons.

delthedriver

CJC999 wrote: »

Yeah maybe it is, why don't you google it, I'm all out of fcuks right now.

No problem. Have been there numerous times:)

Sunnyisland

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I never claimed it did.

The Falklands War was partly triggered by the same distraction technique.

And so the same is true here, except there's no risk of any military action.

You said Spain uses it as a distraction from its economic meltdown and I pointed out that regardless of spain economic staus it always had a claim on Gilbralta .

neris

been to gib a few times unfortunatly and not somewhere id be to pushed to go back to. nothing there apart from a few monkeys, tunnels and a runway. Id say 90% of the brits claiming residency for tax purposes dont actually live there. Spanish are better off with out it and the "wanabe" brits

Aidric

delthedriver wrote: »

Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

Who is laughing now ?

That post reads like a Sun editorial.

justforlaugh

Ziphius wrote: »

The people of Gibraltar are British Citizens and, yes, they voted to remain a British Overseas Territory twice.

delthedriver wrote: »

What exactly is your point?

Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

Who is laughing now ?

why are you asking me if i am antiBritish and sf supporter then going on about the IRA! Not once i had post anything that was antiBritish you seem very defensive.

Conmaicne Mara

languagenerd wrote: »

There are Union Jacks everywhere (and Spanish flags everywhere on the other side of the border) and it very much resembles the U.K. in most ways.

So what you're saying is on the Gib side there are pubs with corrie on serving steak, eggs, and chips while across the border in Spain there are, uhm, pubs showing corrie and serving steak, eggs and chips

No wonder they don't want change!