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Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

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  • #932
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    We all know that if a serious offer is made from a European club it is likely to be snapped up by Liverpool. Our only chance of acquiring him is if/when Liverpool decide he is too disruptive and/or that 40 million plus is too much money to have wasting on the sidelines. So we are not really in competition with anyone else for him and of course it is a serious bid.


  • #933
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,506 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    greendom wrote: »
    We all know that if a serious offer is made from a European club it is likely to be snapped up by Liverpool. Our only chance of acquiring him is if/when Liverpool decide he is too disruptive and/or that 40 million plus is too much money to have wasting on the sidelines. So we are not really in competition with anyone else for him and of course it is a serious bid.

    I and many people know that it has not a chance of being accepted.
    So why continue to make silly bids if we know they will not be accepted? What's the point?


  • #934
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I and many people know that it has not a chance of being accepted.
    So why continue to make silly bids if we know they will not be accepted? What's the point?
    In the hope that Liverpool decide that they are better of with re-investing the money we are offering into their squad rather than holding onto a liability.


  • #935
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That is not my point at all.

    I know we have a good panel BUT title contenders if even weaker than last year? Don't think so and the players probably don't think so either. Haven't several already called for the panel to be strengthened too?

    how are they weaker?

    saying the club is weaker because of the lot who left is akin to saying its weaker because gunnersaurus is out for 6 weeks after breaking his arm attempting to have a ****

    yeah they have, they know as well as everybody there's money there and know that the better the squad/players the better you're likely to do


  • #936
    tayto lover
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    greendom wrote: »
    In the hope that Liverpool decide that they are better of with re-investing the money we are offering into their squad rather than holding onto a liability.

    If that's the case then I feel sorry for us.
    I wonder did Ferguson take that line with RVP.


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  • #937
    tayto lover
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    batistuta9 wrote: »
    how are they weaker?

    saying the club is weaker because of the lot who left is akin to saying its weaker because gunnersaurus is out for 6 weeks after breaking his arm attempting to have a ****

    yeah they have, they know as well as everybody there's money there and know that the better the squad/players the better you're likely to do


    We were not good enough in the last number of years to challenge for the title and we are not good enough now. The table doesn't lie.


  • #938
    gnfnrhead
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    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks we will sign Suarez with these bids is deluded. Do you think they will accept £42.5m after very publicly baulking at £40m? Of course not. I'm happy to see we're making big money offers but these offers will not be accepted and thus, are meaningless and a waste of the club's time.

    I think once it gets close to £50m, they'll accept. Nobody in their right mind would show up, ask how much they want, and write a cheque for that amount. Not how it works in reality. You start low and work up until both sides come to an agreement.

    If nobody else comes in, I think Rodgers will be willing to take £45m as he needs time to reinvest it. No point in him waiting until the last day to accept a £50m+ offer if he cant spend it.


  • #939
    greendom
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    If that's the case then I feel sorry for us.
    I wonder did Ferguson take that line with RVP.

    It's a different situation as RVP only had a year to run on his contract and that put Fergie in a much stronger position. I don't understand why that would make you feel sorry for us ?


  • #940
    tayto lover
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    greendom wrote: »
    It's a different situation as RVP only had a year to run on his contract and that put Fergie in a much stronger position. I don't understand why that would make you feel sorry for us ?

    It's the miserly way we work that makes me so.
    How many good players have we missed because we were miserly?


  • #941
    batistuta9
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    We were not good enough in the last number of years to challenge for the title and we are not good enough now. The table doesn't lie.

    so you want wenger to publicly admit that

    "Hey, lads you're shít, you'll win me nothing, you're not good enough"


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  • #942
    tayto lover
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    batistuta9 wrote: »
    so you want wenger to publicly admit that

    "Hey, lads you're shít, you'll win me nothing, you're not good enough"

    If the lads are begging for to have the squad strengthened then they probably know it already.
    I don't think any of them are "****" either which is very unfair to suggest. All are good players but we need the special ingredients that we are being denied.


  • #943
    gosplan
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    I like the way we've decided to start telling journalists that we're going to put in another offer and exactly how much it's for before actually bidding.

    Hmmmm, wait a minute.


  • #944
    speedboatchase
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    I think we have about a week until Real give up on Bale and move for Suarez. We need to bid at least £45m + add-ons or just duck out while the only other remaining top class strikers, Soldado and Martinez, haven't yet moved to Spurs and Napoli respectively. We will be an absolute laughingstock if Real buy Suarez with the majority of the Higuain money. Should've just paid for Higuain and moved onto strengthening the other areas weeks ago.


  • #945
    [Deleted User]
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    I am still of the opinion that all this talk of buying BIG is a complete con job.
    I could be wrong but so far I see nothing to make me change my mind.
    Careful now, apparently that talk means you need a tinfoil hat.

    I just can't imagine going from zero to not paying £25 million for Higuain to knowing we'll have to pay £50 million for Suarez, there's not much logic in that.


  • #946
    batistuta9
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Careful now, apparently that talk means you need a tinfoil hat.

    I just can't imagine going from zero to not paying £25 million for Higuain to knowing we'll have to pay £50 million for Suarez, there's not much logic in that.

    higuain was sold for €40mil = £34.5mil, they mustn't have wanted to do that

    they want suarez and didn't want higuain, that's perfect logic. why should they buy what they don't want?


  • #947
    speedboatchase
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    batistuta9 wrote: »
    higuain was sold for €40mil = £34.5mil, they mustn't have wanted to do that

    they want suarez and didn't want higuain, that's perfect logic. why should they buy what they don't want?

    Well, we did want Higuain and we even agreed terms with him. It seems pretty likely that we'll end up with the nightmare scenario of neither.


  • #948
    batistuta9
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    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Well, we did want Higuain and we even agreed terms with him. It seems pretty likely that we'll end up with the nightmare scenario of neither.

    did they sign him? no, so they didn't want him that much after all then did they

    they wanted him at, probably the amounts that were mentioned in the press, low to mid 20's

    they weren't prepared to go another 10mil on him, something they're happy to do with suarez

    the money was there for higuain to be bought as seen by the last bid for suarez

    if they really wanted him they would've signed him - simple


  • #949
    [Deleted User]
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    batistuta9 wrote: »
    higuain was sold for €40mil = £34.5mil, they mustn't have wanted to do that

    they want suarez and didn't want higuain, that's perfect logic. why should they buy what they don't want?

    I don't get why Higuain would be seen as too expensive at that price while Suarez wouldn't at that other price.


  • #950
    batistuta9
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't get why Higuain would be seen as too expensive at that price while Suarez wouldn't at that other price.

    by who people in here or Wenger?

    personally i'd rather paying over value on saurez rather than higuain


  • #951
    gosplan
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Careful now, apparently that talk means you need a tinfoil hat.

    I just can't imagine going from zero to not paying £25 million for Higuain to knowing we'll have to pay £50 million for Suarez, there's not much logic in that.

    They're not the same player. That's where the logic is.

    You and I see 'generic South American striker'. Those involved in football at the highest level would see much more.

    Very interesting point in the guardian yesterday which basically said Higuain could only play in the CF position which means benching him or Giroud always whereas Suarez could play instead of him or with him. That's quite a difference and who knows what other ones there are?

    We just all wanted Higuain because then it'd be over, we 'd have our star striker and we could stop reading this thread.

    In reality though there's s lot about Higuain we don't know because despite what we like to think we're a fairly ignorant bunch when it comes to the nuances of particular players.


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  • #952
    [Deleted User]
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    batistuta9 wrote: »
    by who people in here or Wenger?
    Both.
    personally i'd rather paying over value on saurez rather than higuain
    How much? I can't see us getting Suarez for under 50.
    gosplan wrote: »
    They're not the sand
    I wish I got that reference.


  • #953
    gosplan
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »

    I wish I got that reference.

    Fixed


  • #954
    [Deleted User]
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    gosplan wrote: »
    They're not the same player. That's where the logic is.

    You and I see 'generic South American striker'. Those involved in football at the highest level would see much more.
    I don't need to be at the highest level in football to not look at Suarez as a striker.
    Very interesting point in the guardian yesterday which basically said Higuain could only play in the CF position which means benching him or Giroud always whereas Suarez could play instead of him or with him. That's quite a difference and who knows what other ones there are?
    Either would be the first name on the team-sheet. If it was Higuain it's simple, he's the one up top, if it's Suarez then where does he fit in? I still don't think it's much better with Suarez :pac:
    We just all wanted Higuain because then it'd be over, we 'd have our star striker and we could stop reading this thread.
    You saw my post about the state of our squad yeah? :P
    In reality though there's s lot about Higuain we don't know because despite what we like to think we're a fairly ignorant bunch when it comes to the nuances of particular players.
    His numbers and seeing him half a dozen times on telly is enough for me tbh.

    EDIT: I remember what I said about a month ago and I'm not changing my tune, I've just realised that we're not going to spend smart :pac:


  • #955
    gnfnrhead
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    His numbers and seeing him half a dozen times on telly is enough for me tbh.

    You've seen him 6 times and that's convinced you of his worth? I'm guessing the scouts have seen him probably hundreds of times. I'm going to go with them on this one. Wenger had a value for Higuain, Madrid wanted considerably more. That's the long and short of it.

    Personally, I think Suarez is the better player, hence the higher price tag. Plus the whole rival club thing is bound to add a little more.


  • #956
    gosplan
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Either would be the first name on the team-sheet. If it was Higuain it's simple, he's the one up top:

    Grand and in ways that makes sense but then it's 30 million to score five more goals than Giroud, and that's assuming Higuain is remarkable and has a 20 goal season first time out while Giroud only barely improves.

    Yeah you can never have enough players but it's a lot of money to replace someone that probably doesn't need replacing.

    Then you've the whole Jose Reyes, Diego Forlan, Juan Veron risk.


  • #957
    Pedalstool
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    I think Higuain would have been a brilliant signing for you guys, can't understand why you didn't push harder to sign him. He was available and willing to come to you.

    As for Suarez I just don't think the club will sell to Arsenal. I think he will leave but it will be to Madrid. The club would prefer to sell him to Madrid and there is no doubt the player would prefer to move there.

    I accept Arsenal would be a move up for him but how long do you think he would stay at Arsenal when the likelihood of winning major trophies is limited. Even with Suarez it would be a struggle to see you win the league or the Champions League. He won't stick around for long if you can't.


  • #958
    speedboatchase
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    Spurs have signed Soldado for €30m. That's one of the last few top class strikers around if the Suarez deal doesn't go through now off the market. It also means that Liverpool's striker replacements if they are to sell Suarez are smaller. Makes that unlikely deal less likely now in my opinion.

    If Spurs keep Bale then we'll definetly have problems getting top 4 alone next season, unless we decided to spend some of our bloody money already. Impressive that they signed Paulinho and Soldado this summer without CL football. At least Levy is ambitious.


  • #959
    bad2dabone
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    Truth is we have money to spend, we have a squad that needs additions to challenge, the players have even come out and said it, we have an opportunity to strengthen and challenge with the other top 4 teams changing manager, everyone can see this, why didn't we have our targets identified and bids in shortly after the season ended? It's a bit of a joke. Most of us are running out of hope.
    On Bernard to porto, Bernard is owned by a third party, as are a lot of porto players. Like henrik m who Liverpool missed out on. it's difficult for English clubs to sign guys with these types of deals This article explains it well in relation to the falcao move

    http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1e8ncw/explaining_the_falcao_move_to_monaco/


  • #960
    speedboatchase
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    bad2dabone wrote: »
    Truth is we have money to spend, we have a squad that needs additions to challenge, the players have even come out and said it, we have an opportunity to strengthen and challenge with the other top 4 teams changing manager, everyone can see this, why didn't we have our targets identified and bids in shortly after the season ended? It's a bit of a joke. Most of us are running out of hope.

    This is exactly it. It pains me to see our entirely reversible, season-upon-season decline. There really is no excuse for how this summer has panned out. I don't know if it's the board or Wenger but we seem completely paralysed. Spurs look a much better side than last season, as does Chelsea and City. Anyone who thinks that our current side is heading to anything other than a 4th/5th spot is kidding themselves. What's worse is that plenty of fans are beaten down and beginning to just accept their lot rather than be angry at Gazidis and Wenger.


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  • #961
    TheGunns
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    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Spurs have signed Soldado for €30m. That's one of the last few top class strikers around if the Suarez deal doesn't go through now off the market. It also means that Liverpool's striker replacements if they are to sell Suarez are smaller. Makes that unlikely deal less likely now in my opinion.

    I wouldn't think Soldado is top class, neither would I say Jackson (another rumored striker) is. As far as I know it's not a done deal yet either.

    People hitting the panic button far too early


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