Discussion thread for those who've read all the books?

Mr Freeze · 09-07-2013 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Has anyone read the notes from the Barristan chapter in WOW? Sounds ****ing epic

Class. Definitely don't read if don't want spoilers.

Can we even discuss it? Probably not, probably need a Winds of Winter thread.

09-07-2013 02:56PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Class. Definitely don't read if don't want spoilers.

Can we even discuss it? Probably not, probably need a Winds of Winter thread.

Shall I or you kind sir? It definitely needs discussion after reading that

How many has GRRM read out or released now? 4/5 ?

Mr.Prodston · 09-07-2013 02:58PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Class. Definitely don't read if don't want spoilers.

Can we even discuss it? Probably not, probably need a Winds of Winter thread.

I'd politely ask for it to be spoilered...but chances are I'll have them read before the week is out now that people have reminded me. A new thread perhaps if anyone's brave enough.

Mr Freeze · 09-07-2013 02:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Shall I or you kind sir? It definitely needs discussion after reading that

How many has GRRM read out or released now? 4/5 ?

You can fire ahead there, probably link all the sample chapters, spoilers for all books and future books, TV viewers will hardly dare peep in there. :pac:

December2012 · 09-07-2013 03:14PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

You can fire ahead there, probably link all the sample chapters, spoilers for all books and future books, TV viewers will hardly dare peep in there. :pac:

Can I get a link to the sample chapters please, or are they all findable on westeros.org?

Mr Freeze · 09-07-2013 03:16PM

December2012 wrote: »

Can I get a link to the sample chapters please, or are they all findable on westeros.org?

There are threads of each of them here:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/forum/58-the-winds-of-winter/

December2012 · 09-07-2013 03:18PM

Thanks. Do you know which order they appear in the story?

09-07-2013 03:25PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

You can fire ahead there, probably link all the sample chapters, spoilers for all books and future books, TV viewers will hardly dare peep in there. :pac:

I might stick one up later but if anyone else can feel free I've wasted enough time messing today

Mr Freeze · 09-07-2013 03:27PM

December2012 wrote: »

Thanks. Do you know which order they appear in the story?

Eh, I don't know the order, they are all very early in the book anyways.

Deleted User wrote: »

I might stick one up later but if anyone else can feel free I've wasted enough time messing today

I'll do it so. with links, and spoilers.

09-07-2013 03:34PM

AFAIK the Barristan II is the latest one and the last he will read before releasing the book I think...

LionelNashe · 09-07-2013 05:51PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It would be poetic justice if that someone turned out to be Sansa :pac:

Sansa is a possible; or Arianne I guess if Doran pops his clogs and Dorne declares itself a break away state, or if she marries dragon boy.

December2012 · 16-07-2013 10:32PM

I've been listening to the history of Westeros podcast, and there are theories that before his death Tywin was being poisoned (possibly by Oberyn), and the reason is that he was so long on the loo before Tyrion came in and shot him. That, and the smell as he was decomposing.

What do you think of this?

hussey · 18-07-2013 04:38AM

On an entirely different note. I started rereading GoT as after watching S3 I realised I missed a lot of little back stories.
Really enjoying it now, especially Brianne, as i found her journey really boring before, but now I find it excellent.
And I love reading about Cersei f*cking everything up

Sleepy · 18-07-2013 09:37AM

The series definitely benefits from a re-read imo. You miss an awful lot of the richer details on the first read through your impatience to find out what happens next.

18-07-2013 09:42AM

Yep I'm nearly finished book 1 on my first re-read and have really enjoyed it. I love the stuff going in to the past. I think Bronn comes off a lot better in the show from what I've noticed. Bran's chapter when he is waking up is one of the best chapters I've read from any book. Incredible.

Mr Freeze · 18-07-2013 09:49AM

Reading the comic at the moment.

Its not bad...

I will then read A Clash Of Kings again, once I have the comic done, it far from skims over thing, it's probably closer to the source material than the TV show is.

kilnamanagh · 19-07-2013 01:56AM

The day after season 3 wrapped up I decided to go and read all the books from the beginning, the Dunk and Egg tales and the released chapters from the Winds of Winter. I think I might have been a junkie for the past few weeks but it was definitely worth it!

I think I actually liked the Dunk and Egg tales the most, just quick and enjoyable reads after bursting through ASOIAF. The detail, the connections, the history, everything is just incredible, it boggles my mind to think that someone could create all of it.

meep · 19-07-2013 07:24PM

Started re-reading myself recently and getting through book one.

Lots of little details spring to life that are missed first time around. Eg when ned is on his way to see gentry for the first time, he sees beric dondarrion arrive for the tourney. First time around, I wouldn't have appreciated the significance of that character. Loads of that plus all the foreshadowing is really making the second read worthwhile.

Just finished the ned chapter where Robert dies last night. Amazing writing there. Feel so sorry for ned, both ser Loras and little finger give him ways out and he refuses both. If only....

On hols now for 2 weeks so should make good progress.....

Gbear · 20-07-2013 05:28PM

December2012 wrote: »

I've been listening to the history of Westeros podcast, and there are theories that before his death Tywin was being poisoned (possibly by Oberyn), and the reason is that he was so long on the loo before Tyrion came in and shot him. That, and the smell as he was decomposing.

What do you think of this?

I was skeptical at first but it makes a lot of sense.

The only thing is that Oberyn would've been suspect number 1 if Tyrion hadn't intervened. Maybe he just wouldn't have given a ****? Or maybe he did it hedging his bets after he knew he'd be fighting Gregor?

Son0vagun · 20-07-2013 06:05PM

It also explains why Tyrion hasn't been cursed as a Kinslayer, in the eyes if the Gods it was a mercy killing.

Gbear · 22-07-2013 06:30PM

Son0vagun wrote: »

It also explains why Tyrion hasn't been cursed as a Kinslayer, in the eyes if the Gods it was a mercy killing.

I don't get you.
What would him being cursed as a Kinslayer look like?

Certainly all his family have cursed him as such.

lynski · 27-07-2013 12:17PM

Almost finished a Feast for Crows (4 chapters to go) - I really know now what the title means, i actually cried at the hanging. I cant wait for the kis to go to bed tonight to finish it and i have to make my other half read it so i can talk to someone in the real world. jesus GRRM is so sadistic B

December2012 · 27-07-2013 12:21PM

Gbear wrote: »

I was skeptical at first but it makes a lot of sense.

The only thing is that Oberyn would've been suspect number 1 if Tyrion hadn't intervened. Maybe he just wouldn't have given a ****? Or maybe he did it hedging his bets after he knew he'd be fighting Gregor?

Oberyn has been known to use poison before, his whole MO for going to Kings Landing may have been to get revenge on Tywin for butchering Elia and the children. A poison that takes its time to kill would keep Oberyn beyond suspicion. The opportunity to kill The Mount just simply presented itself.

lynski · 27-07-2013 12:31PM

I absolutely thought the same when the waif was educating cat of the canals about poison, she said something that made me immediately think the Tywin had been poisoned, maybe it was Shae?

Gbear · 27-07-2013 02:18PM

December2012 wrote: »

Oberyn has been known to use poison before, his whole MO for going to Kings Landing may have been to get revenge on Tywin for butchering Elia and the children. A poison that takes its time to kill would keep Oberyn beyond suspicion. The opportunity to kill The Mount just simply presented itself.

He would've been the number 1 suspect regardless of when it happened. He had the motive and he had the fact that he's a Dornishman and had used poison before (on Lord Yronwood, I think. He was sent into exile for a bit).
If he hadn't died he would've hung around to serve on the small council (that's why he was there). So it's not like he would've buggered off.

I suppose if they couldn't prove anything he'd be safe enough. Still could've been murdered in his sleep though.

December2012 · 07-08-2013 07:08PM

Who is The King in the North now?

or has that title died?

i know Brann is the next male heir, but he's thought of as dead. same with Rickon.

Then Sansa. Is she Queen in the North?

Before he died, Robb Stark legitimised Jon Snow and named him as his heir.

Does this mean Jon outranks every other Stark now even if they are revealed?

Gbear · 07-08-2013 08:01PM

December2012 wrote: »

Before he died, Robb Stark legitimised Jon Snow and named him as his heir.

Does this mean Jon outranks every other Stark now even if they are revealed?

I can't remember, but was that ever explicitly stated?

One King offered to make him Lord of Winterfell and give him a pretty tasty bride and he refused that. Course could be different if it had been his brother offering.

07-08-2013 10:48PM

Bran is basically a tree now so Rickon would be and then Sansa, Arya and Jon in that order I think. Though Robb named Jon as his heir so he would jump the queue in this scenario.

Duckworth_Luas · 07-08-2013 11:33PM

Robb Stark became Lord of Winterfell at Ned's death. He was then crowned King in the North, this was only recognised by his bannermen though and was seen as rebellion by both Kings Landing and Stannis.

With Robb's death the rebellion was suppressed so there is no King in the North. There is not even a Lord of Winterfell as Roose Bolton is Warden of the North. Northerners now support either the Lannisters/Boltons or Stannis.

Robb named Jon as his successor. However, he believed Bran and Rickon to be dead. As they are alive they will remain the primary and secondary heirs to Winterfell in the eyes of loyal Stark bannermen. In any case as Robb was defeated and therefore a traitor any of his pronouncements are meaningless.

Kings Landing believe Bran and Rickon to be dead and Jon Snow a bastard. Therefore, to them there is no male heir to Winterfell. This means that Sansa (well whoever is her lawful husband) was first in line. However, Sansa's husband, like her father, is a traitor and she then disappears so she's out.

Next therefore is "Arya" who is married to Ramsay Bolton. So he has a claim to being Lord of Winterfell.

But wait, Sansa is at the Eyrie. Her husband is a murderer and an outlaw and never having consummated the wedding she is free to wed again. That is part of Littlefinger's grand plan.

So there is no King in the North. The next Lord of Winterfell depends on who you are. To a loyal Stark bannerman like Wyman Manderley it should be Rickon (well Bran's never coming back is he). To King's landing it was Sansa's lawful husband but now it's "Arya's" husband. To Littlefinger it's Sansa's husband. Finally to Stannis it's whoever he wants it to be. After he defeats Bolton he will support Rickon to gain northern support.

:eek:

Mr.Prodston · 07-08-2013 11:53PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Robb Stark became Lord of Winterfell at Ned's death. He was then crowned King in the North, this was only recognised by his bannermen though and was seen as rebellion by both Kings Landing and Stannis.

With Robb's death the rebellion was suppressed so there is no King in the North. There is not even a Lord of Winterfell as Roose Bolton is Warden of the North. Northerners now support either the Lannisters/Boltons or Stannis.

Robb named Jon as his successor. However, he believed Bran and Rickon to be dead. As they are alive they will remain the primary and secondary heirs to Winterfell in the eyes of loyal Stark bannermen. In any case as Robb was defeated and therefore a traitor any of his pronouncements are meaningless.

Kings Landing believe Bran and Rickon to be dead and Jon Snow a bastard. Therefore, to them there is no male heir to Winterfell. This means that Sansa (well whoever is her lawful husband) was first in line. However, Sansa's husband, like her father, is a traitor and she then disappears so she's out.

Next therefore is "Arya" who is married to Ramsay Bolton. So he has a claim to being Lord of Winterfell.

But wait, Sansa is at the Eyrie. Her husband is a murderer and an outlaw and never having consummated the wedding she is free to wed again. That is part of Littlefinger's grand plan.

So there is no King in the North. The next Lord of Winterfell depends on who you are. To a loyal Stark bannerman like Wyman Manderley it should be Rickon (well Bran's never coming back is he). To King's landing it was Sansa's lawful husband but now it's "Arya's" husband. To Littlefinger it's Sansa's husband. Finally to Stannis it's whoever he wants it to be. After he defeats Bolton he will support Rickon to gain northern support.

:eek:

A glass of Arbor's finest gold for yourself after that :pac: A great recap!

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