Noonan: Property Tax wont be used for Local Services

Ray Palmer · 25-07-2013 12:46PM

squod wrote: »

If you haven't authorised the payment to be deducted from your wages they can't take it. I know as many self employed people who struggle to make a wage. An ''audit'' will lead to an over all negotiation of their debt to revenue.

Yes they can. You don't have to authorise tax deductions from your wages and they put it into legislation that they can.

So self employed will risk being audited to be examined by the revenue to be discovered to be not paying their taxes. Revenue don't let you walk away from your tax debts. Everybody I know who is self employed is earning money.

You can't hide from this

squod · 25-07-2013 12:47PM

seamus wrote: »

This is not correct.

Taxation is exempt from the "no deduction without authorisation" requirement of the Payment of Wages Act.

I'm no expert. Only hearing about this from second hand sources. Mates have had to sign forms in their jobs like.

In other words out of the two earners in each household one of them had to sign up. How do the employers know whos paying what to whom?

squod · 25-07-2013 12:48PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You can't hide from this

The 'aul sour grapes detector is off the bleedin' scale.........

keeponhurling · 25-07-2013 12:48PM

mr kr0nik wrote: »

I am shocked and stunned that anyone could be shocked and stunned by people being shocked and stunned by this.

Shocked AND stunned!

seamus · 25-07-2013 12:48PM

squod wrote: »

I'm no expert. Only hearing about this from second hand sources. Mates have had to sign forms in their jobs like.

Probably some companies going overboard trying to cover their asses so employees don't kick up a stink when it happens.

squod · 25-07-2013 12:55PM

seamus wrote: »

Probably some companies going overboard trying to cover their asses so employees don't kick up a stink when it happens.

I edited the original response while you were replying it seems.

In other words out of the two earners in each household one of them had to sign up. How do the employers know whos paying what to whom?

Are Revenue now charged with scamming people out of money to give to some 'aul bank now then?

Also, why is it called a property tax if it's going to a bail-out fund? Shure, people in the UK get done for this kind of thing every day. They're called rogue traders.

seamus · 25-07-2013 01:01PM

squod wrote: »

In other words out of the two earners in each household one of them had to sign up. How do the employers know whos paying what to whom?

It's probably a confirmation form - the taxpayer either confirms that "Yep, it's coming out of my salary" or "Nope, it's being paid another way" (e.g. by their spouse). This would be Revenue trying to help the person, avoid charging them twice. Hard to say without actually seeing the form.

Also, why is it called a property tax if it's going to a bail-out fund?

It is? Can you back this up with some links?

Banjo String · 25-07-2013 01:28PM

Didn't pay the hhc.
Didn't pay the lpt.
Won't pay the broadcasting rte tax either.

I do pay my motor tax, income tax, prsi, usc, Vat and every other tax they ask of me.

I told you guys from day zero this would happen.

The govt cheerers should feel good about themselves today.

register even if you're exempt Mr Hogan?

My balls.

bumper234 · 25-07-2013 01:31PM

SamHall wrote: »

Didn't pay the hhc.
Didn't pay the lpt.
Won't pay the broadcasting rte tax either.

I do pay my motor tax, income tax, prsi, usc, Vat and every other tax they ask of me.

I told you guys from day zero this would happen.

The govt cheerers should feel good about themselves today.

register even if you're exempt Mr Hogan?

My balls.

Not a ****ing snowball in hells chance of them getting this from me:mad:

flutered · 25-07-2013 01:33PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

There was something in the news a few years back about our government bailing out some banks and their bondholders, so hence we need to raise cash in any way possible.

These billions that "we" have to repay have to come from somewhere

you forgot to mention that noonan gave a toe in the arse to the credit unions as rehards anglo.

bumper234 · 25-07-2013 01:37PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

There was something in the news a few years back about our government bailing out some banks and their bondholders, so hence we need to raise cash in any way possible.

These billions that "we" have to repay have to come from somewhere

Start with the rich bastards who caused this in the first place. When they are in a one bedroom bedsit collecting dole money then come after the rest of us.:mad:

flutered · 25-07-2013 01:37PM

the current mrs flutered is demanding to know why flutered is sitting in front of the lappy giggling and smirking like a refugee from a home for the bewildered.

twinytwo · 25-07-2013 01:38PM

Dum_Dum wrote: »

What angers me more is that the political class are now at a stage that they feel comfortable enough to persistently lie and deceive in the full knowledge that nothing will come of it.

We sit here and take it. And they know it.

Iv said it a 100 times before.... they only way things will will change in this country is when people get off their asses.

The government will listen when they are dragged kicking and screaming from the dail, burnt out of their homes etc.

Ray Palmer · 25-07-2013 01:39PM

squod wrote: »

The 'aul sour grapes detector is off the bleedin' scale.........

You might want to look up what that means.

Telling somebody they can't avoid it is not being sour it the reality.

If people have some strategy to avoid it I'd love to hear it. So far it has come down to people saying they won't pay it which they seem to think is a magic way of stopping it being paid. I can't see a way to avoid it.

The fact is those who make it more difficult to collect just make it more expensive for everybody else.

bumper234 · 25-07-2013 01:44PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You might want to look up what that means.

Telling somebody they can't avoid it is not being sour it the reality.

If people have some strategy to avoid it I'd love to hear it. So far it has come down to people saying they won't pay it which they seem to think is a magic way of stopping it being paid. I can't see a way to avoid it.

The fact is those who make it more difficult to collect just make it more expensive for everybody else.

Oh ray you BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHD boy:rolleyes:

Banjo String · 25-07-2013 01:48PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You might want to look up what that means.

Telling somebody they can't avoid it is not being sour it the reality.

If people have some strategy to avoid it I'd love to hear it. So far it has come down to people saying they won't pay it which they seem to think is a magic way of stopping it being paid. I can't see a way to avoid it.

The fact is those who make it more difficult to collect just make it more expensive for everybody else.

Plan A

I work for a company based in the UK.
I get my salary paid via irish revenue and into an irish account.

A phone call is all it would take to get my salary paid via inland revenue and paid into my northern bank account.

Hardly a sophisticated scam tbh.

hatrickpatrick · 25-07-2013 01:52PM

Everyone pretty much agreeing that this is a disgrace, how many of ye will actually join the next activist attempt to oppose it instead of pointing and laughing at "ye bunch of hippies", I wonder? :mad:

seamus · 25-07-2013 01:55PM

SamHall wrote: »

A phone call is all it would take to get my salary paid via inland revenue and paid into my northern bank account.
Hardly a sophisticated scam tbh.

Not sophisticated, but more severe consequences. You're talking about actual tax evasion rather than protesting or avoiding tax.

donegal_road · 25-07-2013 01:58PM

Ireland, neo-feudalist utopia

Banjo String · 25-07-2013 01:59PM

seamus wrote: »

Not sophisticated, but more severe consequences. You're talking about actual tax evasion rather than protesting or avoiding tax.

Tax evasion how?

I'm from the north and I work 50/50 in both jurisdictions.

I can choose to pay my income tax wherever I like.

Ray Palmer · 25-07-2013 01:59PM

seamus wrote: »

Not sophisticated, but more severe consequences. You're talking about actual tax evasion rather than protesting or avoiding tax.

Just about to post the same. Not a single valid method to avoid paying has been posted. It is just bluster that can be shown from those who said they wouldn't pay and then did.

crusher000 · 25-07-2013 02:02PM

Typing on Boards will really show them how angry we all are. Because all wishes are granted on boards. Now back to where ever and lie in our ditches until the next out rage post against the Government which will happen in 10 9 8 ..............

seamus · 25-07-2013 02:02PM

SamHall wrote: »

Tax evasion how?

I'm from the north and I work 50/50 in both jurisdictions.

I can choose to pay my income tax wherever I like.

You pay your tax where you are tax resident. Where you work is irrelevant.

If you are tax resident in the south and you deliberately move your income beyond the read of revenue, then that is tax evasion and can land you spells in prison as well as your tax bills.

Ray Palmer · 25-07-2013 02:02PM

SamHall wrote: »

Tax evasion how?

I'm from the north and I work 50/50 in both jurisdictions.

I can choose to pay my income tax wherever I choose.

No you can't your primary resident determines where you pay tax. Not like lots of people can do this anyway. You can't have two primary residents and they will just deduct the money when you go to sell in the Republic. You aren't avoiding it

Banjo String · 25-07-2013 02:11PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

No you can't your primary resident determines where you pay tax. Not like lots of people can do this anyway. You can't have two primary residents and they will just deduct the money when you go to sell in the Republic. You aren't avoiding it

I work 50/50 between the north and the South.

week about in each jurisdiction.

I can claim primary residency in the North.

I have a northern address. Northern driving license. Northern bank acc. National insurance number etc.

And I work for a UK company from their northern based branch.

Get it when I sell up?

Let them do that. If it makes you feel you've won an 'argument' well they can tear away.

I'm currently not selling though. No immediate plans to either.

kowloon · 25-07-2013 02:12PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Do people just pretend to be outraged at things that were always going to happen round here or what?

It gets a bit tiresome after a while.

In other news: 'Continental Drift Continues Unopposed! Holiday goers outraged at ever increasing travel times while politicians enjoy free trips on the government jet.'

Ray Palmer · 25-07-2013 02:29PM

SamHall wrote: »

I work 50/50 between the north and the South.

week about in each jurisdiction.

I can claim primary residency in the North.

I have a northern address. Northern driving license. Northern bank acc. National insurance number etc.

And I work for a UK company from their northern based branch.

Get it when I sell up?

Let them do that. If it makes you feel you've won an 'argument' well they can tear away.

I'm currently not selling though. No immediate plans to either.

Do you own a home in both places?

If you can get paid via the UK tax system why are you not already? It is less tax, seems very strange you haven't done this. When I say strange I mean highly unlikely that you would wait till now to do this.

You can't sell your home in the Republic with outstanding household charges. A person can't inherit it without paying them either.

They can of course just go down the traditional route and issue a summons. You going to ignore that?

donegal_road · 25-07-2013 02:32PM

anyway... has anyone heard is there any truth to this latest revelation yet? Apparently Leo Varadkar was on the radio earlier delcaring that there was no truth to it. Where did the Daily Mail get the story from I wonder?

*Which program on Today fm was Michael Noonan on when he said this? It would be on a podcast by now.

Geuze · 25-07-2013 02:33PM

It was never claimed that we would get more local services from the LPT.

We pay the LA direct, they get less funding from central Govt.

The lower Govt spending means a lower fiscal deficit. Less borrowing.

So your LPT is a new tax to reduce the deficit, which also links local services to this new local tax.

Geuze · 25-07-2013 02:35PM

It was also never the case that if county x collects 100 in LPT, then county x gets to spend 100. That's not how most property taxes work.

Noonan: Property Tax wont be used for Local Services

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