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Road rage against cyclists is it just me?

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    maybe we need a cyclists and motorists good friday agreement. parity of esteem, and all that. though i don't know whether it should be cars of bikes which would be piled into underground bunkers and encased in concrete.

    It will naturally, cyclists are on the up so the Irish driver will get used to us.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Surveyor11 wrote: »
    Breaking red lights by drivers is at epidemic levels - yes, I saw a guy on a Spesh hybrid coast through a red light at Grangecastle yesterday, but my commute the red light breaking is laughable by cars. Each set of lights from Porterstown to the N7 junction has at least one car breaking it - sometimes up to 3 or 4 cars will chance their arm. The also largely ignore the pedestrian crossing at the N7 - I cross here from the cycle path as I've nearly been taken out of it one time too many by cars on the roads.

    Had a taxi driver blast through the green man crossing at Dame St / George's Street junction yesterday - total disregard for peds crossing - right in front of a Garda Traffic Corp car, who for whatever reason did nothing about it.

    In terms of breaking lights, the only thing that will work for cars is as they have in the UK - cameras on the red lights - you break them, a fine follows in the post. Until then it's going to be a free for all.

    That seems to have started many years back with the amber meaning '3 more cars please', and breaking the red is just a natural extension of that. So when traffic lights turn amber it's now up to 8 more cars please. This is dangerous driving as opposed to careless or inconsiderate driving.

    Some rogue motorists seem to regard pedestrian crossings being of a lesser status than junction lights and to them the red is meaningless. Pedestrians or cyclists need to check if the traffic has actually stopped before crossing - just not rely on the appearance of the green man.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,588 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i've had some great fun slapping cars which drive through pedestrian crossings against the lights. i had someone slam on the brakes and hop out of a car on me at the top of dawson street - with a cop standing beside me who'd been similarly inconvenienced. i left him to talk to the driver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭PerrDub


    Less "road rage" and more absolute inattention as this woman fiddled with her sav nav and killed a cyclist :(

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2375784/Mother-killed-cyclist-took-eyes-road-20-seconds-fiddled-sat-nav.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭PerrDub


    i've had some great fun slapping cars which drive through pedestrian crossings against the lights. i had someone slam on the brakes and hop out of a car on me at the top of dawson street - with a cop standing beside me who'd been similarly inconvenienced. i left him to talk to the driver.

    Don't you wish the cops were always close by in some cases:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    PerrDub wrote: »
    Don't you wish the cops were always close by in some cases:

    That gif is hypnotic, but I can't help wondering where that cycle lane leads to. Is that a footpath at the end of it? How do you continue down the road? Isn't a cycle lane in the centre lane a bit strange?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    PerrDub wrote: »
    Less "road rage" and more absolute inattention as this woman fiddled with her sav nav and killed a cyclist :(

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2375784/Mother-killed-cyclist-took-eyes-road-20-seconds-fiddled-sat-nav.html

    Jesus, the Mail.

    I love how they're obsessed with people's reproductive and marital status.

    It's not a driver, or a person, that killed the cyclist. It's a MOTHER. Imagine, someone who is supposed to be RESPONSIBLE and NURTURING, doing something horrific like that. But wait, she didn't just kill a cyclist, she killed a MARRIED cyclist.

    Also, it turns out she was "on the way to a baby shower". The grand irony, circle of life and death. The Mail, it gives us everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Guybrush T


    Lumen wrote: »
    Jesus, the Mail.

    I love how they're obsessed with people's reproductive and marital status.

    It's not a driver, or a person, that killed the cyclist. It's a MOTHER. Imagine, someone who is supposed to be RESPONSIBLE and NURTURING, doing something horrific like that. But wait, she didn't just kill a cyclist, she killed a MARRIED cyclist.

    Also, it turns out she was "on the way to a baby shower". The grand irony, circle of life and death. The Mail, it gives us everything.

    But what was the impact on local house prices?!!??


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    But can cycling give you cancer?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,012 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Lumen wrote: »
    The Mail, it gives us everything.
    Only read as far as the sub headlines:
    McClure admits causing the death, but denies her driving was dangerous
    It was only careless, which is fine apparently :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Kav0777


    Guybrush T wrote: »
    But what was the impact on local house prices?!!??

    Plummettin' ever since all those foreign type who can' talk proper like moved in, innit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    The difference between facts and news!!

    Con Houlihan wrote a brilliant piece about it once about how the Irish Press headlined a piece he'd written about a man from Mayo being killed by a train in the UK - the headline read......

    "Irishman killed by British Train"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    stop wrote: »
    I have used it before but short of dismounting or otherwise breaking a red light its not really an attractive option.
    The reason I use the bus lane is that almost every time, the filter light turns red before I get near the lane, giving me plenty of time to get out of the way. The only time I would see myself as in the way is the short section before entering the bus lane. In todays case, I was tailgaiting a truck until I got to the bus lane so no issue there.
    Plenty of times I've had a double decker behind me on that section, no bother at all, they give me space, and I let them pass me as soon as I get around the corner (bike lane is constantly covered in glass/debris so tend to use the bus lane).

    Fair enough and I see where you are coming from on this one - I will second guess that either the taxi driver had a set notion in his head that you should be in the cycle lane provided, and/or you should let have him squeeze past you. Drivers need to be as aware of the changes in legislation which no longer require cyclists to use the cycle lanes provided and there isn't adequate room for a safe overtake in that bus lane. Also that they desist from intimidating behaviour to cyclists on the road just because they can't pass a cyclist at a particular point in a bus lane. That cycle lanes are unusable due broken glass or dodgy surfaces is a shame as they are really ideal for slower and less skilled cyclists who wouldn't possess the necessary skills or be confident enough to switch lanes in mixed heavy flowing traffic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    No Pants wrote: »
    You're right, you didn't. No idea what happened there. Apologies.
    No worries - I didn't think it was deliberate. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    I have to admit, as a pedestrian who neither cycles nor drives, I have a pet hate for certain cyclists, especially in the city.

    The usual things, like not obeying the rules of the road, i.e breaking reds. But what really grinds my gears is when people cycle on the foot path or pedestrian areas. In the last month I've been hit by a cyclist twice, once from behind whilst waiting on a Luas, and once whilst walking across north earl st which is a pedestrian street.

    In both instances the cyclists scoffed and cursed as if it was my fault. Neither apologized. Yet both should've dismounted so they were in the wrong.

    Another guy went through a red today as I was walking across the road (I had the green man), and he yelled at me?

    Obviously not all cyclist are like this, but I've had more bad encounters than good, and these people may be the minority but it's easy to see why people like this can easily paint an image of what cyclists are like for the rest of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    .ak wrote: »
    Obviously not all cyclist are like this, but I've had more bad encounters than good, and these people may be the minority but it's easy to see why people like this can easily paint an image of what cyclists are like for the rest of us.

    What would count as a good experience? Dry humping?

    "Good" cyclists go unnoticed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    And sorry I know the above is slightly off topic, but just to tie it back in I'll leave with this: would instances like the above give non-cyclist drivers a perception on cyclist which may lead to road rage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Lumen wrote: »
    What would count as a good experience? Dry humping?

    "Good" cyclists go unnoticed.

    Fair point. But I actually do keep an eye put at certain junctions on my way home now to see if cyclists stop at reds, or on north earl if they dismount.

    Very few do, unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭bambergbike


    oflahero wrote: »
    You regularly take the whole lane at the lights?

    No, not every time, and not at every junction. There are one or two junctions where I do it regularly because there potential for confusion, but normally I don't really overthink my positioning at the lights because I know I'll move off smartly anyway as soon as they change. But occasionally I have been guiding big groups of elderly cycle tourists and we have been waiting at a red when multiple trucks have appeared at a junction, and if I'm trying to keep multiple cyclists safe and sound, and if I know the group members can't accelerate out of trouble, I have to be quite careful about using my positioning to send particular "messages" to the truck drivers. If I were cycling with children or inexperienced cyclists, something similar would apply.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    On my cycle this evening through Dublin, I paid more attention to other cyclists. Plenty of them going through red lights as per usual. To balance that out on Dorset street heading north, there's 3 junctions where you get a green light to go on straight, but it's still red to turn left. At each junction cars went through the red light (and the green man for the peds). It wasn't just the first car either, two or three at each junction.

    There's bad cyclists and bad motorists, but we all knew that anyway.

    I'm normally a cyclist that sticks to the very left, driving on the broken yellow line if there's one at the side of the road. From reading this thread, I decided I'd move my position another bike width to the right.

    WOW, I'm amazed at the difference it made to my cycle. Nobody tried to squeeze by me. Almost every motorist slowed down, and waited till it was safe to overtake and cross the line in the middle. Nobody got held up, there was no abuse towards me.

    Compare that to when I cycle right at the edge, the amount of cars that "chance it" with tight over taking is unreal.

    I'll be sticking to my new position from now on.

    (I say almost all motorists waited till it was safe, there's still that one group who came too close for comfort, yes the group that are universally disliked by anyone that uses the roads).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    I was out on Howth with some friends yesterday. After this thread, I was paying particular attention.

    A lot of cyclists were breaking the lights around bull island, really ticked me off but there was nothing incredibly dangerous.

    A few laps of Howth and I saw plenty of speeding (excessive speeding) which seems fairly normal and lots of overtaking dangerously around bends. It's amazing that even going downhill at the speed limit, cars still seem to feel the need to try and overtake cyclists just to reach the red lights at Sutton Cross that bit faster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flatface


    This is a thread about road rage which is inexcusable under any circumstances to any road user. As this thread has shown many of the grievances that drivers have against cyclist are quite petty and in no way entitle or "force" cars into dangerous actions / rage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    ozzy jr wrote: »
    I'm normally a cyclist that sticks to the very left, driving on the broken yellow line if there's one at the side of the road. From reading this thread, I decided I'd move my position another bike width to the right.

    WOW, I'm amazed at the difference it made to my cycle. Nobody tried to squeeze by me. Almost every motorist slowed down, and waited till it was safe to overtake and cross the line in the middle. Nobody got held up, there was no abuse towards me.

    Compare that to when I cycle right at the edge, the amount of cars that "chance it" with tight over taking is unreal.

    I'll be sticking to my new position from now on.
    You should notice an improvement in ride quality/comfort with your new road positioning too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭HivemindXX


    Interesting experience on the way home yesterday. I'm stopped at the lights and traffic is coming out of a side road from my left. There's a big crowd of pedestrians waiting for the traffic from the side road to stop so they can cross.

    Two pedestrians come running down the road parallel to me. As the side road light turns amber and the pedestrian light for them is still red they run in to my lane and cross the side road. They had to do this because the crowd of pedestrians waiting at the red meant they couldn't cross the side road normally.

    As they are crossing the side road (but actually in the main road) a cyclist comes through on amber and nearly hits them. One of the pair of runners shouts out "****ing red light you ****ing <unintelligible>".

    So not only are this pair of assholes completely in the wrong they somehow want to blame the cyclist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭the varg


    I have been a motorist, truck driver, pedestrian, motorcyclist and since the beginning of the year a cyclist (again). So I feel I can see points of view from all sides. And as people have already pointed out you get bad drivers / cyclists /insert road user here.

    But as this is a cycling thread my rant shall be about a tosser cyclist I encountered on the way too work this morning.
    Before I start I'll point out I am not perfect on the road and red I will stop for, but if it is a ped X and no one is crossing I will cycle through (albeit at a slower pace). Same goes for turn left on a red, if its safe to do so I will...similar to the states being able to turn right on a red, makes sense IMO.

    Anyhow cycling past the mater hospital this morning on NCR towards Dorset St and ped lights turn red. Two people waiting to cross so I hit the anchors only this guy pissing down behind doesn't bother, nearly clips me as he serves out right and again narrowly misses the two people on the crossing.

    Catch him at the junction of NCR & Dorset street as lights are red. I'm hanging back behind him and as outbound side empties of traffic he breaks the red to move out to the island. Has to wait there as inbound traffic is heavy until the green.

    Off he goes, breaks the next set of lights where I stop. Think to myself karma please karma! Anyhoo continuing on down Portland row at the Council depot a van is parked whilst turning into the entrance. I go around it, look back only to see your man having an argument with the driver. Now not having witnessed what happened but having seen how his actions previously I can only assume the van driver was in the right.

    Absolute tool of a cyclist, no consideration for anyone's safety not even his own. And if people don't consider their own safety you can hardly expect them to think of others unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭buffalo


    the varg wrote: »
    similar to the states being able to turn right on a red, makes sense IMO.

    Some states also permit you to carry concealed weapons. Makes sense IMO, that's why I carry a handgun at all times! :rolleyes: What is this cherry-picking laws from other countries? If you want to follow their laws, go live there.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    the varg wrote: »
    Same goes for turn left on a red, if its safe to do so I will...similar to the states being able to turn right on a red, makes sense IMO.

    You are dead right - its ridiculous that this isnt provided for in this country. I made the same point in an interview on Galway Bay FM last week and the show host agreed fully with me.

    It makes no sense to make cyclists stop in such situations particularly where they are turning on to a cycle lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    If we had more zebra crossings and less pedestrian lights this wouldnt be an issue. Cars would stop if peds were crossing and cyclists could go as long as there were no peds directly in front of them. Anyone who cycled through without slowing or failed to yield for peds could be fined.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    droidus wrote: »
    If we had more zebra crossings and less pedestrian lights this wouldnt be an issue. Cars would stop if peds were crossing and cyclists could go as long as there were no peds directly in front of them. Anyone who cycled through without slowing or failed to yield for peds could be fined.

    Cars stop at zebra crossings? In Ireland?

    You're funny!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    You can cycle through zebra crossings without stopping, but as long as your wheels don't touch the white parts. :pac:


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