Why can nobody speak Irish?

solas111 · 23-07-2013 11:53PM

http://youtu.be/kiiHf7OzrZs

An Riabhach · 24-07-2013 12:01AM

solas111 wrote: »

http://youtu.be/kiiHf7OzrZs

Iontach ar fad.Bhfuil tú i do chónaí anseo?

solas111 · 24-07-2013 12:09AM

http://youtu.be/6xtiNqlTUQw

solas111 · 24-07-2013 12:12AM

Seasan wrote: »

Iontach ar fad.Bhfuil tú i do chónaí anseo?

Is é sin mo áit dhúchais.

Slutmonkey57b · 24-07-2013 12:27AM

solas111 wrote: »

If your head wasn’t stuck up your arse you might see what’s around you.

It is very much a living language where I come from and it was not resuscitated for political or any other purposes. It amazes me how thick some people are but the old saying comes to mind: “Empty vessels make the most noise”.

"Where you come from" is the important phrase there. Irish is spoken by a small number of people in limited pockets of the country. All of those people also speak English (although they may not choose to use it). In the rest of the country, you can walk all day without hearing a single syllable of Irish being spoken for any reason.

As for making the most noise, why do Irish speakers make so much noise... when there's little or nothing to say.

And as for the no politics... clearly you've never heard of the Gaelic Revival movement.

Still, at least you're not thick... I suppose...

solas111 · 24-07-2013 12:32AM

http://youtu.be/HW1ILAVHtis

Slutmonkey57b · 24-07-2013 12:38AM

Wibbs wrote: »

TBH I can't abide this sentiment(broken Irish is better than clever English). So having an incomplete set of tools to communicate is held up as a good thing? That's beyond crazy.

Ah but you're forgetting, the English language is a sad, ugly, broken language with no heritage, no literary tradition, and which is incapable of expressing beauty. It is known.

Carlos Orange · 24-07-2013 12:38AM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

you can walk all day without hearing a single syllable of Irish being spoken for any reason.

Pretty sure I go years without hearing Irish being spoken.

Slutmonkey57b · 24-07-2013 12:43AM

solas111 wrote: »

http://youtu.be/6xtiNqlTUQw

If there is a more annoying sound on earth than that of the unaccompanied flute, other than the bagpipe or Enda Kenny, I have yet to hear it.

solas111 wrote: »

http://youtu.be/HW1ILAVHtis

If you're attempting to convert an athiest who never wanted the language stuffed down their throat to your way of thinking with an Irish language hymn, you may be on a hiding to nothing.

Incidentally, good job on showcasing that Irish isn't a zombie language stuck in the hidebound cliched past which hasn't progressed into the modern world or provided anything of interest for centuries. Errrr... hmm.

Slutmonkey57b · 24-07-2013 12:44AM

psinno wrote: »

Pretty sure I go years without hearing Irish being spoken.

I didn't want to be accused of exaggeration, you see. Someone who speaks it every day may not be aware that you can happily pass your life never encountering Irish in Ireland simply by avoiding RTE.

solas111 · 24-07-2013 01:00AM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

If there is a more annoying sound on earth than that of the unaccompanied flute, other than the bagpipe or Enda Kenny, I have yet to hear it.

If you're attempting to convert an athiest who never wanted the language stuffed down their throat to your way of thinking with an Irish language hymn, you may be on a hiding to nothing.

Incidentally, good job on showcasing that Irish isn't a zombie language stuck in the hidebound cliched past which hasn't progressed into the modern world or provided anything of interest for centuries. Errrr... hmm.

My dear friend, I am sorry for your troubles but being prone to becoming easily annoyed is something that you will have to address for yourself, perhaps with professional help.

Your lack of spiritual beliefs is not my business either and filling that void in your life may not be easily achieved on an internet forum. I would not waste my time trying to shove anything down your throat or indeed anyone else’s throat and the beautiful Irish hymn is only for the ears of those who appreciate such things.

You are obviously an angry and resentful soul and I hope that you will soon find peace and serenity.

Slutmonkey57b · 24-07-2013 01:32AM

solas111 wrote: »

My dear friend, I am sorry for your troubles but being prone to becoming easily annoyed is something that you will have to address for yourself, perhaps with professional help.

Your lack of spiritual beliefs is not my business either and filling that void in your life may not be easily achieved on an internet forum. I would not waste my time trying to shove anything down your throat or indeed anyone else’s throat and the beautiful Irish hymn is only for the ears of those who appreciate such things.

You are obviously an angry and resentful soul and I hope that you will soon find peace and serenity.

I'm merely pointing out that if the videos you were posting were an attempt to persuade anyone to your point of view, you may find them... ineffectual.

Incidentally, your choice to avoid any of the rebuttals posted and direct the conversation (clumsily) to jokes about my supposed personality defects speaks volumes.

Rubeter · 24-07-2013 05:58AM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

That's because ...

There isn't a living spoken language! There was a dead language that was resuscitated for political purposes. Then there was a zombie language which was forced on people for decades and copied all its requirements for new vocabulary by using the tried and tested method of "say the English word in a thick cliche bogger accent and write down what it sounds like".

Now there is a zombie language which wastes our time, costs us a fortune, and has even been shamefully forced into the eu as an "official" language, costing everyone else in Europe a fortune.

Waste of time.

Since there has been an unbroken line of native speakers passing down the language generation to generation you are just plain wrong, coming up with an obviously incorrect (well obvious to any intelligent person) statement like that is just daft.
Remember, writing something down on an internet forum or believing it to be true doesn't make it so no matter how much you wish it to be.

And what on earth is this "tried and tested method........." crap you are on about, seems you don't know very much about the topic under discussion.

Rubeter · 24-07-2013 06:58AM

Wibbs wrote: »

If I decide to move to France and learn French, even when I become fluent I'll still sound like a foreigner to some degree and that's OK, but why would I want to sound like a foreigner in my own bloody country?.

Unless you believe the Irish Irish speaker and the Irish English speaker are of different nationalities your comment here makes no sense.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-07-2013 09:40AM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

If there is a more annoying sound on earth than that of the unaccompanied flute, other than the bagpipe or Enda Kenny, I have yet to hear it.

Amen to this.

Sry, but it was like a tiny high pitched drill inside my brain.

fishy fishy · 24-07-2013 09:50AM

solas111 wrote: »

My dear friend, I am sorry for your troubles but being prone to becoming easily annoyed is something that you will have to address for yourself, perhaps with professional help.

Your lack of spiritual beliefs is not my business either and filling that void in your life may not be easily achieved on an internet forum. I would not waste my time trying to shove anything down your throat or indeed anyone else’s throat and the beautiful Irish hymn is only for the ears of those who appreciate such things.

You are obviously an angry and resentful soul and I hope that you will soon find peace and serenity.

+ 1 and he has obviously never heard a vuvuzeula in action

Bits_n_Bobs · 24-07-2013 10:09AM

solas111 wrote: »

My dear friend, I am sorry for your troubles but being prone to becoming easily annoyed is something that you will have to address for yourself, perhaps with professional help.

Your lack of spiritual beliefs is not my business either and filling that void in your life may not be easily achieved on an internet forum. I would not waste my time trying to shove anything down your throat or indeed anyone else’s throat and the beautiful Irish hymn is only for the ears of those who appreciate such things.

You are obviously an angry and resentful soul and I hope that you will soon find peace and serenity.

Wow. Personal attack, condescension and zero attempt to rebut the argument. Boss Level Internet Warrior 123!!!

Slutmonkey57b · 24-07-2013 01:22PM

Rubeter wrote: »

Since there has been an unbroken line of native speakers passing down the language generation to generation you are just plain wrong, coming up with an obviously incorrect (well obvious to any intelligent person) statement like that is just daft.
Remember, writing something down on an internet forum or believing it to be true doesn't make it so no matter how much you wish it to be.

And what on earth is this "tried and tested method........." crap you are on about, seems you don't know very much about the topic under discussion.

So in your mind, as long as there is a single speaker left alive, the language is not "dead"? There are speakers of ancient Greek, Latin and Anglo Saxon,but those are clearly "dead" languages, notwithstanding Latin's use in scientific circles and in derived phrases. I would say "don't be facetious" but that's the cornerstone of your argument.

Perhaps you can provide the etymology of the Irish word "carr" which was taught as the equivalent of "car" in primary school?

OCorcrainn · 24-07-2013 01:53PM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Perhaps you can provide the etymology of the Irish word "carr" which was taught as the equivalent of "car" in primary school?

It is called phono-semantic matching and it is a lexicological feature in linguistics, and occurs in every language.

You obviously know nothing about linguistics and are trying to be dismissive and condescending towards the Irish language by trying to make ridiculous insinuations about the origins of Irish words from the English language to try to be ironic.

Looks like it backfired.

PS: 'Gluaistáin' is the word that I and most people were taught and use but 'carr' can be used as well.

kaji · 24-07-2013 02:26PM

All the people giving out about Irish- its not taught properly, this is done wrong, let it die, blah blah blah. Let the people who are not totally stupid speak it, and get on with your own lives. Stop obsessing about your failure. Not everyone can be good at everything but don't begrudge those who can speak a language fluently just because you're jealous of them. PS- to the guy giving out about the Nuacht and thinking that its there for people to learn the language....Moron that is for the people who can actually speak the language, not for you to pick up your cúpla focail. Get a clue.

Carlos Orange · 24-07-2013 02:34PM

kaji wrote: »

All the people giving out about Irish- its not taught properly, this is done wrong, let it die, blah blah blah. Let the people who are not totally stupid speak it, and get on with your own lives. Stop obsessing about your failure. Not everyone can be good at everything but don't begrudge those who can speak a language fluently just because you're jealous of them. PS- to the guy giving out about the Nuacht and thinking that its there for people to learn the language....Moron that is for the people who can actually speak the language, not for you to pick up your cúpla focail. Get a clue.

It is strange how deluded some people are about language.

kaji · 24-07-2013 02:35PM

Wow, you're so smart and clever

Go you! XOXO

Ziphius · 24-07-2013 02:39PM

kaji wrote: »

All the people giving out about Irish- its not taught properly, this is done wrong, let it die, blah blah blah. Let the people who are not totally stupid speak it, and get on with your own lives. Stop obsessing about your failure. Not everyone can be good at everything but don't begrudge those who can speak a language fluently just because you're jealous of them. PS- to the guy giving out about the Nuacht and thinking that its there for people to learn the language....Moron that is for the people who can actually speak the language, not for you to pick up your cúpla focail. Get a clue.

So, you're in favour of dropping Irish as a compulsory subject in primary and secondary schools?

OCorcrainn · 24-07-2013 02:45PM

Ziphius wrote: »

So, you're in favour of dropping Irish as a compulsory subject in primary and secondary schools?

How did you deduce that from what he said? Are you a psychic?

the_monkey · 24-07-2013 02:47PM

Saaron wrote: »

I can speak Irish fluently, but only since I move to the Gaeltacht when I was about 10, otherwise I probably would have ended up like everyone else in my family who struggled with learning Irish.

I know a bloke who went to Klingon college , he can speak Klingon ...

OCorcrainn · 24-07-2013 02:57PM

the_monkey wrote: »

I know a bloke who went to Klingon college , he can speak Klingon ...

I know a guy in Barcelona who went to clown college, he failed though.

Kicking Bird · 24-07-2013 02:59PM

I think the government should set up a 'Truth and Reconciliation Commission' for those who were clearly traumatised by the Irish language in their childhood.:D

Ziphius · 24-07-2013 03:15PM

OCorcrainn wrote: »

How did you deduce that from what he said? Are you a psychic?

It was a question. The reason I asked is because your typical gaelgoiris very adamant that Irish should remain compulsory, however kaji wrote that anglophones should "get on with [their] own lives".

As has already been said Irish people can go through life without needed, using, or even understanding a word of Gaeilge. The exception, of course, is the education system.

Making Irish optional in school would give Irish people more choice and allow Irish people to get on with their English speaking lives unperturbed.

24-07-2013 03:24PM

the etymology of the English word "car"

-looks like it was stolen from Irish!

car (n.)
c.1300, "wheeled vehicle," from Anglo-French carre, Old North French carre, from Vulgar Latin *carra, related to Latin carrum, carrus (plural carra), originally "two-wheeled Celtic war chariot," from Gaulish karros, a Celtic word (cf. Old Irish and Welsh carr "cart, wagon," Breton karr "chariot"), from PIE *krsos, from root *kers- "to run" (see current (adj.)).

kaji · 24-07-2013 03:48PM

Ziphius wrote: »

It was a question. The reason I asked is because your typical gaelgoiris very adamant that Irish should remain compulsory, however kaji wrote that anglophones should "get on with [their] own lives".

As has already been said Irish people can go through life without needed, using, or even understanding a word of Gaeilge. The exception, of course, is the education system.

Making Irish optional in school would give Irish people more choice and allow Irish people to get on with their English speaking lives unperturbed.

Yeah, why not for secondary schools, make it optional. But I don't see how you can make a subject optional in primary school???

Why can nobody speak Irish?

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