Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

RoryMac · 19-07-2013 10:14AM

Draw for the next round of the Champions League gives us IF Elfsborg (SWE) who are leading 7 - 1 after the first leg.

Don't know much about them

EDIT : Just saw that Bangura is on loan there and scored in the first leg

blahfckingblah · 19-07-2013 10:23AM

Anybody know anything about them??

RoryMac · 19-07-2013 10:59AM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

Anybody know anything about them??

Not me but winning the first leg of their tie 7 - 1 is impressive no matter who the opposition is. Also they are right in the middle of their season which will help them. They're 5th in the league 5 points off the top.

Not going to be an easy tie from what I can see.

PauloMN · 19-07-2013 11:04AM

Tougher tie than at that stage last year, going by co-efficients. Home games absolutely crucial to get through these qualifiers, I hope Neil has his team picked for the home games. Would like to see him play Balde for a bit next week to see what he's like, maybe get his confidence up with a goal, because he'll need to hit the ground running for the next round(s).

shanered · 19-07-2013 11:11AM

Elfsborg is a decent side and will most certainly provide more of a challange then cliftonville.

blahfckingblah · 19-07-2013 11:19AM

I think its too early to be writing balde off, but on the other hand id like to see him nick a goal or too to settle himself if hes going to be played in the 3rd round qualifiers..

PauloMN · 19-07-2013 11:34AM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

I think its too early to be writing balde off, but on the other hand id like to see him nick a goal or too to settle himself if hes going to be played in the 3rd round qualifiers..

That's what I'm saying, Cliftonville at home next week is the idea opportunity to put him on for a while. Competitive game, should be plenty of opportunities to score, let's see what he can do.

Hope our other injuries are not long term, we have Ledley, Matthews and Van Dijk all injured at the moment. Ledley especially will be crucial for the next rounds. I'd start Balde and Stokes next week if possible.

Dempsey · 19-07-2013 01:14PM

Im sure Mjallby will know a fair bit about that club, Larsson will be phoned for info and of course, someone will be sent to watch them next week and they'll review the last few of their games and by the time the match rolls around, we'll be alot sharper and we'll have a game plan for these lads. We cruised through Helsinki & Helsingborgs last year, I expect us to do the same against Elfsborg

PauloMN · 19-07-2013 02:21PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Im sure Mjallby will know a fair bit about that club, Larsson will be phoned for info and of course, someone will be sent to watch them next week and they'll review the last few of their games and by the time the match rolls around, we'll be alot sharper and we'll have a game plan for these lads. We cruised through Helsinki & Helsingborgs last year, I expect us to do the same against Elfsborg

Hope so, I'm not as confident as you are, but I am confident we'd put up a better show against them then we did against similar level teams under Mowbray. Still having nightmares about that period lol!

Anyone know if they are another artificial pitch job? I think Helsinki was last year, not sure about Helsingborgs. I didn't think we looked at all used to the Cliftonville pitch this week, I think we'll be a lot more fluid at Parkhead next week.

RoryMac · 19-07-2013 02:24PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Hope so, I'm not as confident as you are, but I am confident we'd put up a better show against them then we did against similar level teams under Mowbray. Still having nightmares about that period lol!

Anyone know if they are another artificial pitch job? I think Helsinki was last year, not sure about Helsingborgs. I didn't think we looked at all used to the Cliftonville pitch this week, I think we'll be a lot more fluid at Parkhead next week.

I'm confident too but it's not the easiest draw we could have got, them being mid season could be a factor and I read on twitter that they do have an artificial pitch.

Hopefully we'll have a few of the injured players back and maybe a signing or two

Dempsey · 19-07-2013 02:46PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Hope so, I'm not as confident as you are, but I am confident we'd put up a better show against them then we did against similar level teams under Mowbray. Still having nightmares about that period lol!

Anyone know if they are another artificial pitch job? I think Helsinki was last year, not sure about Helsingborgs. I didn't think we looked at all used to the Cliftonville pitch this week, I think we'll be a lot more fluid at Parkhead next week.

Lennon had his upsets too but this is the champions qualifiers, different kettle of fish to the national qualifiers that sank him before and Mowbray. I think the big difference between those times and now is experience. Also, I think the German tour was a blessing in disguise tbh

2 weeks before we play Elfsborg (assuming they wont collapse!) and we'll be a much sharper side by then and hopefully most of the niggles will have been dealt with.

Dempsey · 19-07-2013 02:58PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23380499

Nottingham Forest have bid £1.5m to re-sign Celtic defender Kelvin Wilson, reports BBC East Midlands Today.

Kelvin Wilson has gone onto becoming rock solid for us and he says he's happy at Celtic now. I expect that bid to be rejected out of hand.

EDIT

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23380045

Meanwhile, Lennon feels it would be best if Mohamed Bangura, who is on loan at Elfsborg from Celtic , did not play in the event of the two sides meeting.

"Uefa can't enforce that, there's no ruling for that but I would think it would be in Mohamed's best interests not to play the game and if I get the opportunity to speak to him, I'll be telling him that as well," explained Lennon.

"My take on it is that, in his current situation, it wouldn't be a good idea.

"He's our player at the end of the day and we've loaned him out to that club.

"Were Elfsborg to succeed in the longer term, I don't think it would look good for Mohamed for his future here.

"If he played, it would put him in a compromising situation, it would be a very difficult situation for him mentally going into the game as well so it would be best for all parties that he didn't participate in either of the ties."

When asked if former AIK striker Bangura still had a future at Celtic, Lennon replied: "The only reason we put him out on loan was for him to get game time and he's playing in an environment that he knows.

"He's done very well, he's got five [goals] in 15 [games] for them so hopefully he'll come back a better player."

Why didnt the club insert a clause stipulating he couldnt play then? They have put him in a difficult situation now

"It looks like they're going to go through, they won their home leg very convincingly but Johan will know them well, obviously," said the manager.

"We'll have them watched, I'll try and get over myself to watch them between now and the time that we play them.

"Hopefully, we'll be a few games further down the line when we play them and a bit more up to speed."

RoryMac · 19-07-2013 03:13PM

Bit of an oversight not to have a clause in his loan agreement, I would have thought this would be in the loan agreement as default.

Can't see the Wilson bid being successful, he has been a great signing and no way we can afford to lose him. Also if memory serves me well Forest treated him pretty badly after his transfer was agreed, refused our bid for him to join early, dropped to the reserves and the manager at the time lashing him in the media.

EDIT: I see some of the above is mentioned in the linked articles

CSF · 19-07-2013 03:16PM

Would it be an overly cynical view to say I suspect Lennon thinks Bangura will play, considering he has given an interview on it.

RoryMac · 19-07-2013 03:19PM

I'm sure he was asked the question rather than offering it but he has definitely put his cards on the table. I'd imagine he is pretty p!ssed off with whoever it is at Celtic that overlooked putting the clause in the loan agreement.

It will be interesting to see if he does play as it's unlikely he has a future at Celtic so not much for him to lose

Lennonist · 19-07-2013 03:59PM

RoryMac wrote: »

I'm sure he was asked the question rather than offering it but he has definitely put his cards on the table. I'd imagine he is pretty p!ssed off with whoever it is at Celtic that overlooked putting the clause in the loan agreement.

It will be interesting to see if he does play as it's unlikely he has a future at Celtic so not much for him to lose

If it becomes clear that Elfsborg intend to play Bangura in this tie, Celtic should terminate the loan agreement if they can. Am I right in saying that a club that loans a player out would have the power to call that player back and terminate the agreement whenever they want? There is no way that Bangura - or any player no matter how good or bad they are - should line up against the club that he is contracted to in such an important game.

blahfckingblah · 19-07-2013 05:12PM

I think this is mingames from lennons point of view. Yes the clause was overlooked, but now Bangura has pressure not to play for his own careers sake and possibly pressure from his team mates and management to play meaning a difficult decision to make. It Just adds another worry to the team before an important qualifier

I wouldn't be surprised if he played and scored against us just like Harald Brattbakk (second mention of him in a couple of weeks)

Dempsey · 19-07-2013 05:58PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

I think this is mingames from lennons point of view. Yes the clause was overlooked, but now Bangura has pressure not to play for his own careers sake and possibly pressure from his team mates and management to play meaning a difficult decision to make. It Just adds another worry to the team before an important qualifier

I wouldn't be surprised if he played and scored against us just like Harald Brattbakk (second mention of him in a couple of weeks)

Yea, I think lennon is looking to get every and any advantage he can

personally I think loanees shouldnt be restricted from playing their parent club and managers shouldnt put players in the position that bangura is in. if yer willing to loan out a player you shouldnt have a say in who he plays, it should be part of the risk a club takes.

regardless of the outcome, lennon has ruffled elfsborgs feathers and adds to the pressure of the fixture

Lennonist · 19-07-2013 06:16PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

I think this is mingames from lennons point of view. Yes the clause was overlooked, but now Bangura has pressure not to play for his own careers sake and possibly pressure from his team mates and management to play meaning a difficult decision to make. It Just adds another worry to the team before an important qualifier

I wouldn't be surprised if he played and scored against us just like Harald Brattbakk (second mention of him in a couple of weeks)

Remind me of that. Did Brattbakk score against us for Rosenberg while contracted to Celtic or on a pre contract agreement with Celtic?

It wasn't CL or old European Cup anyway, cos we didn't win the league for 9 years until Wim Jansen took over and Brattbakk didn't arrive 'til then.

CSF · 19-07-2013 06:21PM

Lennonist wrote: »

If it becomes clear that Elfsborg intend to play Bangura in this tie, Celtic should terminate the loan agreement if they can. Am I right in saying that a club that loans a player out would have the power to call that player back and terminate the agreement whenever they want? There is no way that Bangura - or any player no matter how good or bad they are - should line up against the club that he is contracted to in such an important game.

Nah I don't think you usually can recall the player, Elfsborg would have almost definitely payed a loan fee to get him for the length of time specified. If Celtic didn't put a clause in there that he couldn't play them, I'd say it's unlikely that they've a clause in there allowing them to take him back at short notice.

blahfckingblah · 19-07-2013 10:19PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Remind me of that. Did Brattbakk score against us for Rosenberg while contracted to Celtic or on a pre contract agreement with Celtic?

It wasn't CL or old European Cup anyway, cos we didn't win the league for 9 years until Wim Jansen took over and Brattbakk didn't arrive 'til then.

sorry should have been more clear it was after we sold him he scored twice in a 2-0 defeat. suppose it is kind of different

PauloMN · 19-07-2013 11:07PM

I'm stunned there's no clause in Bangura's loan agreement that he cannot play against his club. He seems to be a regular starter for Elfsborg based on his stats (7 goals in 17 apps), and he played and scored the other day in the 7-1 rout. (By the way, take a look at the stats for that game.... Elfsborg had 34 attempts, 13 on target).
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/matches/round=2000476/match=2011681/postmatch/report/index.html

I'd be very surprised if Bangura does not feature against Celtic. Elfsborg would be mad not to play him if he is a key man for them, and he'll have a point to prove against Celtic. Hopefully his record playing against SPL sides will continue as it was!!

As for Wilson, no chance he'll go. We've a new CB in Van Dijk, it would be lunacy to let Wilson go now and upset the defence even more, esp. as he had a much better last season than previously. Why would be want to go back there anyway?

TheBuilder · 20-07-2013 09:34AM

I thought it was a rule now that you can't play against your parent club or is that only to do with domestic games? I find it strange that he would be allowed to play.

Regardless, fantastic mind games from Lennon with the future of his career comments.

Dempsey · 20-07-2013 01:07PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

I thought it was a rule now that you can't play against your parent club or is that only to do with domestic games? I find it strange that he would be allowed to play.

Regardless, fantastic mind games from Lennon with the future of his career comments.

its a rule in english football afaik, it varys from league to league

Beefy78 · 20-07-2013 01:25PM

Dempsey wrote: »

its a rule in english football afaik, it varys from league to league

Only a rule in the Premier League (which came out of Lua Lua scoring for Portsmouth against Newcastle when on loan). In the lower divisions it is down to the terms of the agreement between the two clubs.

LiamoSail · 20-07-2013 01:47PM

I think he should play. For him not to play would give Celtic an unfair advantage over other sides who have to face them with mo available.

Pudders · 20-07-2013 06:01PM

Well that was a bit of a shambles by brentford. Queue 35 minutes to get into the ground.

Balde gets his first; ambrose was shocking, watt and rogic plus a bunch of kids for Celtic.

At least the pitch invasion was a laugh.

ColeTrain · 20-07-2013 11:53PM

If Bangura wants to get another chance at Celtic then he will refuse to play, that simple for me.

eire4 · 21-07-2013 06:36PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

If Bangura wants to get another chance at Celtic then he will refuse to play, that simple for me.

I do feel a bit sorry for Bangura in this whole affair. Either way he is in a lose lose situation really. Personally I would be shocked if he doesn't play. That certainly is the noise that Elfsburg is making.

A Dub in Glasgo · 21-07-2013 06:39PM

Celtic should have the confidence of seeing off Elsberg with or without Bangura playing for them. I think this epidode is a little demeaning

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