Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

blahfckingblah

gary hooper definitely should not go to a pedestrianised city hahahah

LiamoSail

blahfckingblah wrote: »

gary hooper definitely should not go to a pedestrianised city hahahah

I'll be honest, I'm dead against it (the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre that is)

Beefy78

Yeah, people forget that traders need access to Dixxxxxxxxxxxxxxons.

cardwizzard

At the end of it, its good business for Celtic for a player with 10 months left on his contract to get that kinda money.

As he kept rejecting contracts, is why alot of Hoops fans have a bad taste in their mouths. Add that to the 'I want to go to the W.C with engerland.`Good luck with that playing in championship

Lennonist

LiamoSail wrote: »

I think qpr makes as much sense as Norwich, in that its not prestige, silverware or European football he's moving for, its money and in that regard I'd imagine qpr are as, if not more appealing then Norwich.

Couple that with the attraction of living in London, near enough where he's from, over Norwich, a city in which the appeal has been greatly reduced since the controversial pedestrianisation of the city centre

Why would a player choose to go to a Championship side over a side that has been established in the EPL for a couple of seasons? Unless he is solely motivated by money - if there was a big difference in the wages being offered - that would make no sense. I'd imagine he'd go to Norwich if it was a choice between them and QPR.

LiamoSail

cardwizzard wrote: »

At the end of it, its good business for Celtic for a player with 10 months left on his contract to get that kinda money.

As he kept rejecting contracts, is why alot of Hoops fans have a bad taste in their mouths. Add that to the 'I want to go to the W.C with engerland.`Good luck with that

He doesn't want to stay, so why would he sign a new deal? Simple really

As for the World Cup, he does have a better chance of going with qpr then celtic. I'd imagine its far easier to get tickets through the English PFA as a member of the English, as oppose to the Scottish PFA

LiamoSail

Lennonist wrote: »

Why would a player choose to go to a Championship side over a side that has been established in the EPL for a couple of seasons? Unless he is solely motivated by money - if there was a big difference in the wages being offered - that would make no sense. I'd imagine he'd go to Norwich if it was a choice between them and QPR.

True, but Norwich just signed a striker. Are they even still interested?

Dempsey

LiamoSail wrote: »

I don't get this grudge, why would he stay? He can earn three or four times elsewhere what he would at celtic. Obviously he's leaving a bigger club, European football, and sacrificing silverware, but for the chance to triple his salary, he's doing what any other player would

He's also probably in a position whereby he feels he's gone as far as he can with celtic, time for a new challenge and probably more importantly, an opportunity to get picked up by one of the EPL's bigger clubs, because as has been shown, that wasn't going to happen at celtic

Another season in European Football would do him better than going back to the championship. If he signed a new contract at Celtic, we wouldnt be talking of doubling or trebling his salary elsewhere. He's going back to a level where he proved himself 3 years ago. His England aspirations wont be realized in the Championship either. He was to be called up by England whilst at Celtic but injury stopped that happening. He wasnt that far off, his form was the reason he didnt get called up in subsequent squads.

We rejected several advances by Norwich & Hull so your last point is wide of the mark aswell

LiamoSail

Dempsey wrote: »

Another season in European Football would do him better than going back to the championship. If he signed a new contract at Celtic, we wouldnt be talking of doubling or trebling his salary elsewhere. He's going back to a level where he proved himself 3 years ago. His England aspirations wont be realized in the Championship either. He was to be called up by England whilst at Celtic but injury stopped that happening. He wasnt that far off, his form was the reason he didnt get called up in subsequent squads.

We rejected several advances by Norwich & Hull so your last point is wide of the mark aswell

Since when are Norwich or hull one of the bigger English sides? My point was that playing for a smaller prem side could be a stepping stone to a bigger prem side

As for the money, I would be fairly confident that the money at qpr I still a multiple of anything Celtic would offer

Dempsey

LiamoSail wrote: »

Since when are Norwich or hull one of the bigger English sides? My point was that playing for a smaller prem side could be a stepping stone to a bigger prem side

As for the money, I would be fairly confident that the money at qpr I still a multiple of anything Celtic would offer

Never said they were but playing for Celtic in the UCL and any club in the EPL gives you a better chance of playing for England than any championship club.

What are QPR offering new players in the Championship?

LiamoSail

Dempsey wrote: »

Never said they were but playing for Celtic in the UCL and any club in the EPL gives you a better chance of playing for England than any championship club.

What are QPR offering new players in the Championship?

I think we got our wires crossed

My point was that playing for a smaller prem club is more likely to get him a move to a bigger prem club, to the likes of everton, villa etc then playing for Celtic, as despite his success at Celtic, there hasn't been that interest. I never mentioned international football

I don't know the figures, but it's well known qpr offer big money, cesar and Barton were both reportedly On over £80k/wk (not suggesting hooper would be on thy much), while at Celtic, I think I'm right in saying brown is the highest paid on something like £20k/wk, so it stands to reason hooper would earn far more at qpr

It's a sad state of affairs when a move from Celtic to qpr leaves a player that better off financially, but that's the reality unfortunately

Dempsey

LiamoSail wrote: »

I think we got our wires crossed

My point was that playing for a smaller prem club is more likely to get him a move to a bigger prem club, to the likes of everton, villa etc then playing for Celtic, as despite his success at Celtic, there hasn't been that interest. I never mentioned international football

I don't know the figures, but it's well known qpr offer big money, cesar and Barton were both reportedly On over £80k/wk (not suggesting hooper would be on thy much), while at Celtic, I think I'm right in saying brown is the highest paid on something like £20k/wk, so it stands to reason hooper would earn far more at qpr

It's a sad state of affairs when a move from Celtic to qpr leaves a player that better off financially, but that's the reality unfortunately

But he's not even going to a small EPL club and I dont care who he may or may not go to in the future. See I'm talking about his motivations and the promises his agent made when he signed on as Hoopers agent. Getting flogged to the championship, ending his hopes of going to Brazil will hurt despite the money. because he'll be 30 when the next WC rolls around. If Forster is on the plane and he isnt, it will hurt him even more and I'd say that agent will be getting the sack.

Those wages wont be on offer for a new player in the championsip (you hardly think they are offering EPL wages still?) so its a moot point what a player negotiated when they were in the EPL. Anyways, Harry has already said that those wages would not be offered again and he said that whilst in the EPL.

Ledley & Brown are on more than £20k, Browns 1st contract at Celtic was in excess of £25k

EDIT

I see some papers are saying that QPR are offering around £40k p/w to Hooper. Not exactly multiples of the contract offer Celtic tabled a year ago that you want us to believe

LiamoSail

Dempsey wrote: »

But he's not even going to a small EPL club and I dont care who he may or may not go to in the future. See I'm talking about his motivations and the promises his agent made when he signed on as Hoopers agent. Getting flogged to the championship, ending his hopes of going to Brazil will hurt despite the money. because he'll be 30 when the next WC rolls around. If Forster is on the plane and he isnt, it will hurt him even more and I'd say that agent will be getting the sack.

Those wages wont be on offer for a new player in the championsip (you hardly think they are offering EPL wages still?) so its a moot point what a player negotiated when they were in the EPL. Anyways, Harry has already said that those wages would not be offered again and he said that whilst in the EPL.

Ledley & Brown are on more than £20k, Browns 1st contract at Celtic was in excess of £25k

EDIT

I see some papers are saying that QPR are offering around £40k p/w to Hooper. Not exactly multiples of the contract offer Celtic tabled a year ago that you want us to believe

What Harry says and what Harry does tend to be two different scenarios altogether

Again, I'm not arguing the international point whatsoever, I agree with you on that

Qpr have an extremely wealthy owner, have proved to be extremely reckless with their finances, and have a manager with a reputation for giving out massive contracts, often at the detriment of his club

Celtic on the other hand have over the last number of years been remarkably prudent with their finances, and are by all accounts a very well run club

While I don't know the figures either club have offered, I think it stands to reason that in order for hooper to sacrifice European football, silverware, and the prestige of playing for a bigger club, in front of far bigger numbers, the money would have to be substantially better, and looking at how both clubs operate, it would seem logical

Dempsey

LiamoSail wrote: »

What Harry says and what Harry does tend to be two different scenarios altogether

Again, I'm not arguing the international point whatsoever, I agree with you on that

Qpr have an extremely wealthy owner, have proved to be extremely reckless with their finances, and have a manager with a reputation for giving out massive contracts, often at the detriment of his club

Celtic on the other hand have over the last number of years been remarkably prudent with their finances, and are by all accounts a very well run club

While I don't know the figures either club have offered, I think it stands to reason that in order for hooper to sacrifice European football, silverware, and the prestige of playing for a bigger club, in front of far bigger numbers, the money would have to be substantially better, and looking at how both clubs operate, it would seem logical

Lennon said he turned down the chance to become 'one of the top 2 or 3 earners at the club', that's easily 30 - 35k basic.

Media are reporting the qpr offer to be 40k. fernandes and redknapp weren't happy with the wage structure and thats what they thought as an epl club. No way its near the numbers your suggesting

LiamoSail

Dempsey wrote: »

Lennon said he turned down the chance to become 'one of the top 2 or 3 earners at the club', that's easily 30 - 35k basic.

Media are reporting the qpr offer to be 40k. fernandes and redknapp weren't happy with the wage structure and thats what they thought as an epl club. No way its near the numbers your suggesting

If find it difficult to believe any celtic player is on £30k

As for QPR, they said similar shortly before signing samba for £12m, and giving him £100k/wk, so I wouldn't put too much heed into what redknapp etc say

I'm not suggesting they've offered hooper similar, my guess would be he's been offered between £40-50k/wk at qpr, and about half that at celtic. It would tie in with how both clubs operate

fluff_daddy

any word if celtic got Doyle signed up yet? think today is the deadline for player to be eligible to play in CL

magherakid

cardwizzard wrote: »

At the end of it, its good business for Celtic for a player with 10 months left on his contract to get that kinda money.

As he kept rejecting contracts, is why alot of Hoops fans have a bad taste in their mouths. Add that to the 'I want to go to the W.C with engerland.`Good luck with that playing in championship

Could say good business for Norwich, Celtic tried to hold Norwich to ransom Jan looking 9-10m. Norwich getting Hooper now for 5m

barry194

New away kit is unreal I think!

magherakid

LiamoSail wrote: »

If find it difficult to believe any celtic player is on £30k

Brown highest 25k, Ledley, Samaras and Forster £18k, Hooper was on 14k

Dempsey

LiamoSail wrote: »

If find it difficult to believe any celtic player is on £30k

As for QPR, they said similar shortly before signing samba for £12m, and giving him £100k/wk, so I wouldn't put too much heed into what redknapp etc say

I'm not suggesting they've offered hooper similar, my guess would be he's been offered between £40-50k/wk at qpr, and about half that at celtic. It would tie in with how both clubs operate

You thought Scott Brown was on 20k yet he was on more than that when he first arrived.

QPR said he wasnt on anything near 100k but even if he was, you are deluded if you think Hooper is being offered similar wages to the highest earners QPR had in the EPL whilst they are currently in the Championship. Media are reporting 40k per week yet you choose now to ignore that aswell.

magherakid wrote: »

Could say good business for Norwich, Celtic tried to hold Norwich to ransom Jan looking 9-10m. Norwich getting Hooper now for 5m

Celtic werent holding anyone to ransom, we didnt want to sell, we wanted him to sign a new contract and stay at Celtic. Ask Lennon today and he'll still say he wants Hooper to stay. but the club are flogging him now because they want a return on our investment.

magherakid

Dempsey wrote: »

You thought Scott Brown was on 20k yet he was on more than that when he first arrived.

QPR said he wasnt on anything near 100k but even if he was, you are deluded if you think Hooper is being offered similar wages to the highest earners QPR had in the EPL whilst they are currently in the Championship. Media are reporting 40k per week yet you choose now to ignore that aswell.



Celtic werent holding anyone to ransom, we didnt want to sell, we wanted him to sign a new contract and stay at Celtic. We are flogging him now because we want a return on our investment.

Celtic knew back in Jan he wasn't signing a new contract

Dempsey

magherakid wrote: »

Celtic knew back in Jan he wasn't signing a new contract

They knew 2 years ago but they still offered him new contracts and told clubs he wasnt for sale up until now because Lennon wanted to keep him and get the club to make every effort to convince him to change his mind.

LiamoSail

Dempsey wrote: »

You thought Scott Brown was on 20k yet he was on more than that when he first arrived.

QPR said he wasnt on anything near 100k but even if he was, you are deluded if you think Hooper is being offered similar wages

.

my exact words were:

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'm not suggesting they've offered hooper similar,

I never suggested hooper would be on similar to the top earners at qpr

As for brown, i thought he was on twenty when most sources say its 25k. Are you really trying to dismiss my argument on the basis of being 5k off in my guess of what brown earns?

Dempsey

LiamoSail wrote: »

my exact words were:



I never suggested hooper would be on similar to the top earners at qpr

As for brown, i thought he was on twenty when most sources say its 25k. Are you really trying to dismiss my argument on the basis of being 5k off in my guess of what brown earns?

40k isnt multiples of the contract he was offered by Celtic as you suggested. End of really.

25k was for Browns 1st contract at Celtic, as I told you already. He since signed a new one since he has become Celtic Captain. You'll have a hard time convincing me that he's on the same money when he turned down advances by Newcastle to sign it.

RoryMac

From what I have heard the club were still holding out hope of keeping Hooper until the start of preseason training, apparently it was only then that he told them he wanted to leave.

I have no problem with him looking to move as there is no way we can compete with the contracts being offered to him. He did well in his time at Celtic but hopefully we have a replacement in mind and can get him signed up.

LiamoSail

Dempsey wrote: »

40k isnt multiples of the contract he was offered by Celtic as you suggested. End of really.

25k was for Browns 1st contract at Celtic, as I told you already. He since signed a new one since he has become Celtic Captain. You'll have a hard time convincing me that he's on the same money when he turned down advances by Newcastle to sign it.

I speculated that hooper was offered between 40 and 50 at qpr, and probably half that at Celtic. That is a multiple

If you're that sure brown is on over 30, post a source. Hooper being offered 20/25k by Celtic would fit in with him being one of the top 2/3 earners at the club

Dempsey

LiamoSail wrote: »

I speculated that hooper was offered between 40 and 50 at qpr, and probably half that at Celtic. That is a multiple

If you're that sure brown is on over 30, post a source. Hooper being offered 20/25k by Celtic would fit in with him being one of the top 2/3 earners at the club

Well it was 40k, not 50k according to the media

It would put him on a similar level as Ledley but Lennon said the club refused to put him as the highest earner which meant he be earning more than Scott Brown. Im not going spending half my day looking for speculated wages on him now. I can tell you now from previous that I read that he's not on 20k or 25k a week and he ignored all interest from Newcastle to stay. Are you really suggesting he didnt get a significant pay rise, especially as club captain?

Back on Topic, Gary Hooper set for Norwich medical.

SomethingElse

I can't see Brown being on more than 25k tbh, I don't think the board would allow a gulf to develop between the top earner and the next. I would assume Ledley earns something close to what Brown is on.

blahfckingblah

How would anybody be expected to survive on a pittiful 30k per week

LiamoSail

Dempsey wrote: »

It would put him on a similar level as Ledley but Lennon said the club refused to put him as the highest earner which meant he be earning more than Scott Brown. Im not going spending half my day looking for speculated wages on him now. I can tell you now from previous that I read that he's not on 20k or 25k a week and he ignored all interest from Newcastle to stay. Are you really suggesting he didnt get a significant pay rise, especially as club captain?

.

Yea, he got an excellent contract when he signed, iirc it was because celtic were competing with rangers for his signature. I can find nothing online, bar your own assertion, that he's earning in excess of £30k. Even looking at kds, the consensus seems to be around the 25k mark