Security operation's for funerals

markpb · 17-07-2013 02:41PM

listermint wrote: »

OP knows full well it was to prevent people shooting illegal automatic weapons in the air. This was the sole purpose of the operation.

+1

It screams of "we were planning on breaking the law by pretending (barely) to be a real army but the spoilsport Gardai turned up and ruined our fun. Boo Hoo.

dundalkfc10 · 17-07-2013 05:29PM

The family had already said before they knew the Gardai were coming that they didnt want a Paramilitary Funeral.

Anyone on facebook can view photos here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541290359239665&set=a.199693743399330.41026.100000761178810&type=1&theater

Now anyone who says they are not standing beside the Priest or the Grave? What have you to say now?

endacl · 17-07-2013 05:37PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What have you to say now?

I'd have to say 'I don't care'. Paramilitaries had no respect for others in life. They deserve no dignity in death.

dundalkfc10 · 17-07-2013 05:42PM

endacl wrote: »

I'd have to say 'I don't care'. Paramilitaries had no respect for others in life. They deserve no dignity in death.

Do their family's not deserve dignity at burying a son/father/brother/uncle/cousin?

endacl · 17-07-2013 05:47PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Do their family's not deserve dignity at burying a son/father/brother/uncle/cousin?

They do. This is something he did to them. He knew the consequences.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-07-2013 05:47PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The family had already said before they knew the Gardai were coming that they didnt want a Paramilitary Funeral.

Anyone on facebook can view photos here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541290359239665&set=a.199693743399330.41026.100000761178810&type=1&theater

Now anyone who says they are not standing beside the Priest or the Grave? What have you to say now?

Page is not available, even Facebook have some sense, who knew!
I say fair play to the Gardai, they have obviously learned lessons from that other scumbag Alan Ryans funeral.

Duff · 17-07-2013 05:59PM

C'mon da town! Up da RA!

jmayo · 17-07-2013 06:07PM

Bambi wrote: »

Like they did for Ruari O Bradaigh's funeral? This will be another bully boy exercise by the state.

endacl wrote: »

I'd have to say 'I don't care'. Paramilitaries had no respect for others in life. They deserve no dignity in death.

My exact sentiments.
These people, while they live, show little or no respect for the state, the will, desires or even lives of their fellow citizens, yet the state and their fellow citizens owe them some type of respect in death.
Bullsh**.
If this man was somehow responsible for Omagh he deserves to rot in hell, if there is a hell.

Is it some Irish thing where we have to respect the dead even if they were scum during their lives ?
And I am also thinking of some politicans when I say that last remark.

Bigdeadlydave · 17-07-2013 06:25PM

seamus wrote: »

The assumption in the OP is that the Garda presence is to hassle the man's family.

Looks like the old 'RA attitude of us -v- them never dies, does it?

Unfortunately, in some cases that is exactly why the Garda are there. At Ruairi O'Bradaighs funeral, a former TD, IRA chief of Staff, SF leader, they (in riot gear) crowded around the open grave preventing the priest or family or mourners from getting near it, they tried to prevent any blessings, prayers or orations. There is no need for that, the police can and should maintain a respectful distance, which still means the graveyard is secure and no shots or anything can happen. At Ruairi's funeral they were shoved back away from the grave.

Older people will remember that the Gardai have a worse record even than the RUC when it comes to funerals, they stole Frank Staggs body and started numerous fights at funerals over the years with unnecessary heavy handed tactics during the heavy gang era

I don't know much about the guy or funeral the OP is talking about but what happened at O'Bradaighs was an utter disgrace, there is no need to crowd around the graveside, they can stand back an keep an eye on things

Bigdeadlydave · 17-07-2013 06:27PM

seamus wrote: »

? Don't see the issue.

Gardai appear to be keeping their distance from the actual graveside during the burial, the conflicts between them and the attendees possibly indicate that their presence was a good thing.

They were shoved back from around the graveside

I am pie · 17-07-2013 06:29PM

They probably shouldn't be by the grave, but.... boo hoo, poor murdering terrorist. My heart bleeds.

Play To Kill · 17-07-2013 06:32PM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

They were shoved back from around the graveside

Pity they weren't shoved into the grave and buried with him.

Prodigious · 17-07-2013 06:33PM

The apostrophe is killing me.

Bigdeadlydave · 17-07-2013 06:35PM

Play To Kill wrote: »

Pity they weren't shoved into the grave and buried with him.

The gardai? They were the ones shoved back

endacl · 17-07-2013 06:36PM

Prodigious wrote: »

The apostrophe is killing me.

Why? Security operations are for funerals! Unless the deceased wasn't a scumbag.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-07-2013 08:36PM

To put this in context bad things have happened at funerals.

The probability is low, but the consequences can be serious.

Michael Stone killed three people at a funeral and another two were then killed at one of the their funerals.

wicklowstevo · 17-07-2013 08:58PM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Unfortunately, in some cases that is exactly why the Garda are there. At Ruairi O'Bradaighs funeral, a former TD, IRA chief of Staff, SF leader, they (in riot gear) crowded around the open grave preventing the priest or family or mourners from getting near it, they tried to prevent any blessings, prayers or orations. There is no need for that, the police can and should maintain a respectful distance, which still means the graveyard is secure and no shots or anything can happen. At Ruairi's funeral they were shoved back away from the grave.

Older people will remember that the Gardai have a worse record even than the RUC when it comes to funerals, they stole Frank Staggs body and started numerous fights at funerals over the years with unnecessary heavy handed tactics during the heavy gang era

I don't know much about the guy or funeral the OP is talking about but what happened at O'Bradaighs was an utter disgrace, there is no need to crowd around the graveside, they can stand back an keep an eye on things

wasn't stagg buried according to the wishs of his family and disinterred by his RA buddies who did the stealing .

its very clear that the baby killers wanted a pass for the funeral of their boy so that the could shoot some propaganda videos and hold meeting in the pub afterwards , get down off your self live by the sword die by it.
next thing you ll be wanting the rest of the drug gang scumbags who get poped to be allowed to fire their glocks into the air too

theSHU · 17-07-2013 09:00PM

I hope they just throw him into a slurry pit.

Bigdeadlydave · 17-07-2013 09:04PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

wasn't stagg buried according to the wishs of his family and disinterred by his RA buddies who did the stealing .

its very clear that the baby killers wanted a pass for the funeral of their boy so that the could shoot some propaganda videos and hold meeting in the pub afterwards , get down off your self live by the sword die by it.
next thing you ll be wanting the rest of the drug gang scumbags who get poped to be allowed to fire their glocks into the air too

No. His bother in particular, and the govt put pressure on some of his family and the plane was diverted to shannon and he was buried under heavy armed guard, while his comrades and most of his family waited at Dublin airport - his own expressed wish was to be buried in the republican plot, which he duely was after they Garda gave up around the clock guarding of his concrete covered grave.

One of the mos disgusting things the southern government did

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 17-07-2013 09:13PM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

No. His bother in particular, and the govt put pressure on some of his family and the plane was diverted to shannon and he was buried under heavy armed guard, while his comrades and most of his family waited at Dublin airport - his own expressed wish was to be buried in the republican plot, which he duely was after they Garda gave up around the clock guarding of his concrete covered grave.

One of the mos disgusting things the southern government did

Cork had its own government!:eek:

endacl · 17-07-2013 09:18PM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

No. His bother in particular, and the govt put pressure on some of his family and the plane was diverted to shannon and he was buried under heavy armed guard, while his comrades and most of his family waited at Dublin airport - his own expressed wish was to be buried in the republican plot, which he duely was after they Garda gave up around the clock guarding of his concrete covered grave.

One of the mos disgusting things the southern government did

I approve of the state's action, as described above.

Although, if I made the call, he'd have been buried in an unmarked hole down some lonely anonymous boreen. Isn't that the traditional Provo way? If his 'comrades' wanted him that badly, they could go looking for him. Maybe even spend years at it and never find him. Republicans sound a bit mealy mouthed harping on about respect for the dead and those left to mourn.

Bigdeadlydave · 17-07-2013 09:21PM

endacl wrote: »

I approve of the state's action, as described above.

Although, if I made the call, he'd have been buried in an unmarked hole down some lonely anonymous boreen. Isn't that the traditional Provo way? If his 'comrades' wanted him that badly, they could go looking for him. Maybe even spend years at it and never find him. Republicans sound a bit mealy mouthed harping on about respect for the dead and those left to mourn.

Dear oh dear, anger like that won't do you any good

endacl · 17-07-2013 09:24PM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Dear oh dear, anger like that won't do you any good

Is that you not having a point to make...?

marie72 · 21-07-2013 11:31PM

Let the man rest in peace .
Seamus McKenna was named in a civil action taken by the families of victims of the Omagh bomb, however, the case against Seamus McKenna was dismissed and no evidence was adduced to secure either civil or criminal conviction The Dundalk man was cleared in a civil action taken against him by the victim's families in 2009. The papers put what they want in print and as people would say never believe everything you read.

Bigdeadlydave · 21-07-2013 11:56PM

endacl wrote: »

Is that you not having a point to make...?

Its me not giving you the reaction you want

Skylinehead · 22-07-2013 12:08AM

marie72 wrote: »

Let the man rest in peace .
Seamus McKenna was named in a civil action taken by the families of victims of the Omagh bomb, however, the case against Seamus McKenna was dismissed and no evidence was adduced to secure either civil or criminal conviction The Dundalk man was cleared in a civil action taken against him by the victim's families in 2009. The papers put what they want in print and as people would say never believe everything you read.

He was acquitted of Omagh. He was not acquitted of building a 1200lb bomb. Who was that for, you wonder.

dubaicentral · 22-07-2013 12:09AM

marie72 wrote: »

Let the man rest in peace .
Seamus McKenna was named in a civil action taken by the families of victims of the Omagh bomb, however, the case against Seamus McKenna was dismissed and no evidence was adduced to secure either civil or criminal conviction The Dundalk man was cleared in a civil action taken against him by the victim's families in 2009. The papers put what they want in print and as people would say never believe everything you read.

Just like the potential victims of the 1200lb bomb he was caught red handed making would have rested in peace.

The fact that you bothered your arse registering just to post this bull**** quote about how he was acquitted of one crime makes me worry about other opinions you may have on aspects of life and current affairs.

SparkySpitfire · 22-07-2013 12:16AM

Whatever anti-paramilitary sentiments any of you may harbour...

You do realise that funerals are an integral part of the mourning process for a person's family?

The people mourning his death don't deserve this kind of treatment, whatever the deceased may have done it is not fair to his mourner's to have to put up with this kind of intrusion in their grief. It's quite frankly horrible.

awec · 22-07-2013 12:17AM

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Whatever anti-paramilitary sentiments any of you may harbour...

You do realise that funerals are an integral part of the mourning process for a person's family?

The people mourning his death don't deserve this kind of treatment, whatever the deceased may have done it is not fair to his mourner's to have to put up with this kind of intrusion in their grief. It's quite frankly horrible.

Can't the family ask his "mates" for a funeral without any sort of paramilitary trappings then?

SparkySpitfire · 22-07-2013 12:24AM

awec wrote: »

Can't the family ask his "mates" for a funeral without any sort of paramilitary trappings then?

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The family had already said before they knew the Gardai were coming that they didnt want a Paramilitary Funeral.

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Security operation's for funerals

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