2 Elderly brother beaten to death in Mayo

Xenji · 11-07-2013 03:26PM

I will delete this if the mods wish, but the Sun has inadvertently named the man that Gardai arrested, if you read this article

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Sir Humphrey Appleby · 11-07-2013 03:32PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Does Ireland even have the option of life without parole like the UK? In the absence of consecutive sentencing that would be something - murder more than once and it's a real life sentence.

Without that the perp is practically encouraged to kill witnesses.

Yes, we have prisoners who have been in prison for decades with still no prospect of being released, John Shaw is the most notable of these.

AlekSmart · 11-07-2013 06:05PM

Old and grey wrote: »

Yes, we have prisoners who have been in prison for decades with still no prospect of being released, John Shaw is the most notable of these.

If there is any justice in this world,the redoubtable Mr Shaw will die and be buried/cremnated within his Prison walls...one of the best examples of why Prisons need to exist in the first place !!

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 11-07-2013 06:07PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

If there is any justice in this world,the redoubtable Mr Shaw will die and be buried/cremnated within his Prison walls...one of the best examples of why Prisons need to exist in the first place !!

I believe his partner in crime Geoffrey Evans actually died while serving his sentence a couple of years ago

Xenji · 11-07-2013 07:26PM

Gardai are out in full force at the moment combing the lake area here in town, possible he dumped the weapon there.

Chucky the tree · 11-07-2013 07:44PM

Old and grey wrote: »

Just take a look at this, on the same day the two mens bodies were discovered a Circut Court judge in Dublin gave an armed robber, with 17 previous convictions a 3 year suspended sentence, despite having 17 previous convictions the guy has NEVER been to prison!
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-tells-robber-hell-get-a-root-up-the-backside-and-jail-if-he-reoffends-29412196.html

"The judge told Webster his crime was a nasty one and that he had made a determined effort to terrorise people who were at work."

The court heard that Webster has 17 previous convictions which were all dealt with in the District Court and he has never served a prison sentence.

Maybe his next crime will involve killing somebody, since after 18 convictions he has learned that there are no real consequences to his actions.

Wibbs wrote: »

Jesus. Fcuking. Christ. At what point in the life cycle of becoming a judge do they remove the brain?

Wibbs wrote: »

I don't blame the Guards. TBH given the shít support and resources they get I'm amazed at the good job they usually do. Social workers? OK some of them are cloud cuckoo land hippies, but most are well aware of the issues as they're on the ground dealing with it and sometimes even getting assaulted for their trouble. The government? Yep I'd lay quite a bit of blame at their feet. Mostly though the judiciary would be the focus of my ire.

The "pshycopaths" aren't the issue, it's how they're dealt with is. TBH I don't understand your post.

Why not?

Gda Brodigan told the court that Webster had stayed off his radar and that he deserves a chance

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-tells-robber-hell-get-a-root-up-the-backside-and-jail-if-he-reoffends-29412196.html

Xenji · 11-07-2013 07:46PM

Xenji wrote: »

I will delete this if the mods wish, but the Sun has inadvertently named the man that Gardai arrested, if you read this article

Mod

Probably best if we don't allow this Xenji. Sorry.

No worries.

Femme_Fatale · 11-07-2013 08:48PM

Old and grey wrote: »

This crime had zero to do with Garda Stations closing, the Garda Station in Castlebar wasn't closed.
As for "we" being to blame you can feck right off, I am not to blame or responsible for this atrocity, the fcuker who did is to blame, nobody else!

I fully agree with your second point but the lack of police does seem a problem with a knock-on effect.

Galwayguy35 · 12-07-2013 02:53AM

People were talking about the brothers on the news today, 2 harmless old men who were well known around the town.

The fear they must have felt when that waste of air was beating them doesn't bear thinking about.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 12-07-2013 08:44AM

RTE Aertel reporting that a 26 year old male due in Swinford District Court this morning on charges related to the callous murder of these two gentlemen.

Full_TiltKeith · 12-07-2013 12:50PM

Old and grey wrote: »

RTE Aertel reporting that a 26 year old male due in Swinford District Court this morning on charges related to the callous murder of these two gentlemen.

He has now been officially named: http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0712/462029-castlebar-garda/

Xenji · 12-07-2013 12:54PM

Full_TiltKeith wrote: »

He has now been officially named: http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0712/462029-castlebar-garda/

The name was known yesterday around town, put it into google and you will get more articles on him, not the first time he had issues with the elderly.

omahaid · 12-07-2013 01:05PM

Xenji wrote: »

not the first time he had issues with the elderly.

Probably wont be the last time either.

Da Shins Kelly · 12-07-2013 01:11PM

Apparently he has a long history of mental health issues that he's never been properly medicated for. Was convicted a few years ago of pretending to be a psychiatric nurse and gaining access to an elderly couple's house, and administered drugs to them before locking them in the living room. Sounds a bit bizarre.

LumpyOtoole · 12-07-2013 01:15PM

Xenji wrote: »

The name was known yesterday around town, put it into google and you will get more articles on him, not the first time he had issues with the elderly.

Just had a look at some of them, he seems to have been a time bomb waiting to go.

RikkFlair · 12-07-2013 01:16PM

The oldest brother died on what was his 70th birthday

Xenji · 12-07-2013 01:20PM

LumpyOtoole wrote: »

Just had a look at some of them, he seems to have been a time bomb waiting to go.

Judge Devins already said 4 years ago that he was "the most difficult case she had came across" and “obviously something fundamentally wrong” , but yet he was still left to wander the streets.

take everything · 12-07-2013 01:49PM

wilson10 wrote: »

I reckon if Hitler had been caught, tried and convicted in Ireland he would have got six million life sentences to run concurrently and served 15 years max.

As long as he wasn't illegally importing Bratwurst on the side, i'd say he'd be grand.

My name is URL · 12-07-2013 05:46PM

Will this guy still face a normal trial or how does it work? He's obviously sick in the head and the judge has ordered that he receives all appropriate psychiatric help. Can people be locked up indefinitely here like in other countries.. until they're deemed to no longer be of danger to the public?

Frank Lee Midere · 12-07-2013 05:52PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Will this guy still face a normal trial or how does it work? He's obviously sick in the head and the judge has ordered that he receives all appropriate psychiatric help. Can people be locked up indefinitely here like in other countries.. until they're deemed to no longer be of danger to the public?

That's more likely in psychriatric cases actually.

ivytwine · 13-07-2013 08:42AM

From my reading of the Mayo case, this seems to be yet another failure of our system.

There is obviously something very seriously wrong with this man and instead of getting the treatment he needs he was free to kill two vulnerable people.

It is similar to the recent case in Ennis where a young student was killed by a man who had raised alarm bells for countless people in the town.

In my own locality there is a man with a diagnosed severe mental illness. He is in and out of psychiatric care and is so difficult certain places won't take him. He is banned from shops due to threats and abuse. Without going into more detail, I do actually worry that it's only a matter if time before someone is hurt by him.

I'm sure other posters know of similar situations in their own location.

The guards are called, but due to the myriad failures of the HSE and our committal laws, people who are a danger to others are left on the streets.

This needs to be changed as a matter if urgency IMO.

StephenHendry · 16-07-2013 04:32PM

washman3 wrote: »

Actually I think we paid about 4-5 times what that site was worth.!
And the really worrying thing is that the person behind 'the great idea' is now calling for a new party to be formed in Ireland 'to reform the country' with himself at the epicentre of course.!! Michael McDowell is his name. Remember him? with the famous quote 'the sting of a dying wasp' :mad:

remember mcdowell mentioned that quote about gangland killing around late 03 but it continued and got worse.

the guy in question has serious mental health issues and should have institutionalised long before this , so the state have to take great responsibility for this, i don't blame the local gardai in castlebar, how are they to keep tabs 24/7 on a lad out of control

StephenHendry · 16-07-2013 04:53PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I take it you are here for the gathering, this has being going on since the late eighties, or even earlier, it came to a halt when Nally showed them what the scum can expect, when they invaded your home. Hopefully someone under threat will take them on. You can't go to jail for that now.

Exactly, afaik back in the mid 80s , there were a group of brothers, similar ages to the ones in castlebar last week who were murdered, their names were the willis brothers in co. cork ( i could have the surname wrong) but anyway neighbourhood watch was established after this , think the year was 1984. so that almost 30 years of this type of crime with the increasing number of mentally ill/potentially very dangerous criminals on the increase who are capable of committing such a crime

washman3 · 16-07-2013 11:12PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Will this guy still face a normal trial or how does it work? He's obviously sick in the head and the judge has ordered that he receives all appropriate psychiatric help. Can people be locked up indefinitely here like in other countries.. until they're deemed to no longer be of danger to the public?

Always find it strange how many of these criminals seem to hide behind the psychiatric or failed system excuse after these horrendous crimes.
Should not be forgotten that some of these people are Bad and not Mad, which is a totally different ballgame altogether.
Most of us know a 'psycho' in our area. I know one, and feel its just a matter of time before he explodes. If I report my suspicions will anything be done.?
More than likely, it will be me thats treated as the lunatic.

2 Elderly brother beaten to death in Mayo

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