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Does Ireland really have a richer culture and history than America?

  • 16-07-2013 10:29AM
    #1
    Speisekarte
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 147 ✭✭


    I'm not so sure, I think it's a lot closer than many people would think.


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  • #2
    snubbleste
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    No.


  • #3
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Depends what you mean by "richer history"? They've had plenty of wars and sh*t.


  • #4
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    the bottom of my fridge has a richer culture than the USA


  • #5
    mike65
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    Define history.


  • #6
    BGozIE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭BGozIE


    Define USA.


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  • #7
    JohnDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭JohnDee


    mike65 wrote: »
    Define history.

    It's one damn thing after another


  • #8
    thecatspjs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭thecatspjs


    How can any country have a richer culture/history than another one?


  • #9
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    So the native American cultures are somehow not up to scratch?

    Find the assumption that America is somehow culture-less as it was a 'recent discovery' by white fellas to be insulting.


  • #10
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    What is the 'native american' tribes like the Cherokee view on the issue?


  • #11
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Do they celebrate their native American Indian culture much?


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  • #12
    Speisekarte
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 147 ✭✭Speisekarte


    mike65 wrote: »
    Define history.

    A written record of past events.


  • #13
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Why do you ask? Did somebody say it did? Does anyone really care?


  • #14
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I think we've had enough of people pissing on 'cultures' this week tbh.

    This thread is making me tired.


  • #15
    Speisekarte
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 147 ✭✭Speisekarte


    CJC999 wrote: »
    Why do you ask? Did somebody say it did? Does anyone really care?

    Just trying to make Tuesday morning a bit more interesting.


  • #16
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Why are the two related? America is unquestionably a cultural hotspot of the world (as witnessed by the quality of its endless TV, music and film output) but it wasn't churning out gilded Bibles 1,500 years ago. Snobbishness aside, there's only the most tenuous of links between history and culture

    And yes, comparing the "richness" of two country's cultures is rarely a productive task


  • #17
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    oh ****, is it tuesday already?


  • #18
    Speisekarte
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 147 ✭✭Speisekarte


    Reekwind wrote: »
    Why are the two related? America is unquestionably a cultural hotspot of the world (as witnessed by the quality of its endless TV, music and film output) but it wasn't churning out gilded Bibles 1,500 years ago. Snobbishness aside, there's only the most tenuous of links between history and culture

    And yes, comparing the "richness" of two country's cultures is rarely a productive task

    Neither are most discussions on boards, yet here we are.


  • #19
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    OSI wrote: »
    America's current native population is barely 250 years old. Ireland's is thousands. Take a guess.

    So who was living there when Columbus blundered into it?
    Fairies and pixies?


  • #20
    Speisekarte
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 147 ✭✭Speisekarte


    OSI wrote: »
    America's current native population is barely 250 years old. Ireland's is thousands. Take a guess.

    But how much of ancient Ireland is still alive in modern alive in modern Itish culture or even known about.


  • #21
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    OSI wrote: »
    CURRENT native population. The Indians have been displaced as the native population.

    The Native Americans haven't gone away you know.

    The white man didn't liquidate them all.


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  • #22
    I Heart Internet
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    The prevalent culture in the United States of America is essentially a European one transplanted to North America. While the USA pays lip-service to the culture of native american peoples, it is just that - lip-service.

    So, effectively, the culture is no more than 400 years old (max) rather than the 1,000s of years of native american culture.

    While the USA's culture has been globalised (it is an attractive brand which is easy to sell) and is very popular around the world, Ireland has a deeper pool of culture from which to draw, I guess.


  • #23
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    OSI wrote: »
    No, but they are no longer the dominant native population.

    Meaning?
    Just because you don't hold the reins of power your culture counts for nothing?

    How would that statement sound if you were talking about, say, 18th or 19th cent. Ireland?


  • #24
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    OSI wrote: »
    No, but they are no longer the dominant native population.

    They are the natives,so that makes them the dominant native population.

    Did you ever hear the Iron Maiden song "Run to the hills"

    Do a search for on youtube. ..


  • #25
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Ireland was first populated around 10000 years ago and has been through the stone age, bronze age, iron age, we've had St. Patrick, Vikings, The Normans the English occupation, The Famine, 1916 and a whole lot more. We have physical legacies in the shape of Dolmens, Newgrange etc that pre-date even Egyptian pyramids. We have had Kings and Queens, castles, towers, churches going back over a thousand years. Rich mythology and folklore.

    Modern American history is very brief by comparison and I'd say compared to the native Indians we probably have more to offer.


  • #26
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Ireland has a much richer History


  • #27
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    gramar wrote: »
    Ireland was first populated around 10000 years ago and has been through the stone age, bronze age, iron age, we've had St. Patrick, Vikings, The Normans the English occupation, The Famine, 1916 and a whole lot more. We have physical legacies in the shape of Dolmens, Newgrange etc that pre-date even Egyptian pyramids. We have had Kings and Queens, castles, towers, churches going back over a thousand years. Rich mythology and folklore.

    Modern American history is very brief by comparison and I'd say compared to the native Indians we probably have more to offer.

    Can't compare like with like, Mayans, Aztecs and Incas put up structures that would make Newgrange look like a bundle of boulders fcuked together.


  • #28
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    Can't compare like with like, Mayans, Aztecs and Incas put up structures that would make Newgrange look like a bundle of boulders fcuked together.

    I was comparing Ireland to North America but I take your point.


  • #29
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    what exactly comes to mind when you think of American culture now? They do have a rich indian and ethnic culture, but sadly it has been over-run by the "new culture" mcdonalds, hollywood, etc. Thats not culture. They tend to not talk about their actual culture and how it got to be the place it is. :D

    So I wouldn't say Ireland or any other country has a deeper culture - I would just say its more open. :D

    (north America - not south who is steeped in culture)


  • #30
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Ireland has never had a world encompassing culture,the USA does. As for comparing and contrasting.......I don't see any point,both are distinct and like comparing apples to oranges.


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  • #31
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    gramar wrote: »
    I was comparing Ireland to North America but I take your point.

    Modern day Mexico is in North America,so that brings the Mayans and Aztecs into it;)


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