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ROAD RAAAAAGE

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  • #62
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    JonSnuuu wrote: »
    As a newly qualified driver (in my mid 20s but never got around to it until now) I had my first road rage experience yesterday.

    Driving through my town last night around 8PM, I came up to a roundabout and was the only person at the roundabout but there was a big fancy BMW flying up the road at the opposite side but still a good bit away from the roundabout. Anyway I pulled out and was making my way around when the BMW started blaring it's horn.

    I was on the roundabout at this stage, passing the exit he would be coming onto the roundabout at and he was leaning out his window effing and blinding that I cut him off. Now seeing as I'm a new driver (literally passed the test 2 days ago) I didn't want a confrontation and even though I was 90% sure I was in the right I apologised as I drove by just to calm the guy down.

    Anyway I thought that was it but he kept following me and driving really fast and close behind me, making me speed to avoid him hitting me. Was quite worrying, then he pulled up along side me and started gesturing that I pull over. I was really quite scared at this point that he might hurt me if I pulled over so I just kept driving.

    Then he overtakes me and brakes hard, forcing me to stop then he hops out of his car in the middle of the road and starts screaming at me saying how I was "a dangerous driver", (The irony was nearly too much for me). Anyway continues to shout at me and takes my licence plate number and looks at my insurance disc.

    The guy was in his late 50's I'd say and his wife was sitting in the car laughing away which pissed me off, so when he finally let me go I lowered the window as I passed his car while he was getting back in and shouted out "Hopefully your wife will find you attractive enough after that to have sex with you tonight, you CLEARLY need it" and drove off feeling great.:D

    Still though, never got his licence plate number and feel like I should have reported him to the guards as he's clearly not the safest driver!

    So do you have any good road rage stories you can share?
    Slamming on the breaks at this stage usually softens their cough. Followed by taking their insurance details and claiming whiplash. I wouldn't, but plenty would.


  • #63
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    Let me get this clear, the entry to the roundabout was at six o clock, exit at twelve, so effectively straight, you were in the right hand lane, the other guy was in the left, you almost crashed into him and still have no clue that you were completely in the wrong. Good god man, you need to refresh yourself on the rules of the road. Unless road markings say otherwise, left hand lane is for going left or straight, right hand lane is for... surprise, surprise, turning left unless there's two lanes on the exit, which there obviously was not considering you nearly took the side of the guy's car.

    I thought the rules of the road state that in order to take the third exit of a typical roundabout, regardless of its geographical position, you occupy the right hand lane. "passing exit 8 and 10" means hes aiming for the third exit, "12".


  • #64
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,568 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    I thought the rules of the road state that in order to take the third exit of a typical roundabout, regardless of its geographical position, you occupy the right hand lane. "passing exit 8 and 10" means hes aiming for the third exit, "12".
    Yep. Think of it as moving in to a slip lane to exit on a dual carriageway, being on the outer lane is preparing to exit.

    Exiting more than halfway around has only to do with indicating, no legal requirements etc.


  • #65
    AK333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭AK333


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    Let me get this clear, the entry to the roundabout was at six o clock, exit at twelve, so effectively straight, you were in the right hand lane, the other guy was in the left, you almost crashed into him and still have no clue that you were completely in the wrong. Good god man, you need to refresh yourself on the rules of the road. Unless road markings say otherwise, left hand lane is for going left or straight, right hand lane is for... surprise, surprise, turning left unless there's two lanes on the exit, which there obviously was not considering you nearly took the side of the guy's car.

    Clearly I didn't explain the roundabout correctly, or you didn't get it! And I'm not a man.

    the roundabout has 3 exits, think of a q - clock is obviously too much for you to comprehend - one lane goes into 2 at the tail of the q, there are two exits on the 'circle' part and then the third exit is the continuous part of the straight line - I was in the right lane, ie going all around the roundabout and getting off at the last exit - numptie was in the left lane, passed off exit 1 and 2 and tried to cut me off at exit 3.

    See you your quote above, left lane is for turning left, so why was numptie (who was a man) in the left lane going all around the roundabout.

    Get it now!


  • #66
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    AK333 wrote: »
    Clearly I didn't explain the roundabout correctly, or you didn't get it! And I'm not a man.

    the roundabout has 3 exits, think of a q - clock is obviously too much for you to comprehend - one lane goes into 2 at the tail of the q, there are two exits on the 'circle' part and then the third exit is the continuous part of the straight line - I was in the right lane, ie going all around the roundabout and getting off at the last exit - numptie was in the left lane, passed off exit 1 and 2 and tried to cut me off at exit 3.

    See you your quote above, left lane is for turning left, so why was numptie (who was a man) in the left lane going all around the roundabout.

    Get it now!
    You're only supposed to be crossing into the left/outer lane, only if it's safe to do so, which it wasn't in your case?
    ROTR wrote:
    When leaving the roundabout take extra care at all exits, checking for other
    road users – for example, cyclists and motorcyclists who may be continuing on
    the roundabout.


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  • #67
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Incidents like the OPs, give me more and more reasons to install a dash cam.


  • #68
    AK333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭AK333


    byte wrote: »
    You're only supposed to be crossing into the left/outer lane, only if it's safe to do so, which it wasn't in your case?

    My point is, if he was continuing all around the roundabout, he should have been in my lane, behind me, not in the left lane beside me then we wouldn't have been both trying to exit at the same time.

    HE WAS IN THE WRONG LANE - LEFT LANE IS FOR TURNING LEFT AT EXIT 1 OR 2 - IF YOU ARE GOING OFF AT ANOTHER EXIT, GET IN THE RIGHT LANE.

    I can see how road rage occurs, I'm getting frustrated here just trying to explain it. It really wasn't that important, I'm sorry I mentioned it now :mad:


  • #69
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Oh, I'm not doubting he was in the wrong lane! As he was.

    But if there had been a collision, then it's likely that you'd be the one deemed in the wrong for cutting off the left/outer lane trying to exit the roundabout, regardless of the number of exits he passed. Regardless of the fact he didn't use the roundabout properly.


  • #70
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,568 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Yep. Think of it as moving in to a slip lane to exit on a dual carriageway, being on the outer lane is preparing to exit.

    Exiting more than halfway around has only to do with indicating, no legal requirements etc.

    Here's an image I painstakingly created ages ago to illustrate the above concept, which I unashamedly re-post.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/425942/218785.jpg

    From this thread.


  • #71
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,568 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    byte wrote: »
    Oh, I'm not doubting he was in the wrong lane! As he was.

    But if there had been a collision, then it's likely that you'd be the one deemed in the wrong for cutting off the left/outer lane trying to exit the roundabout, regardless of the number of exits he passed. Regardless of the fact he didn't use the roundabout properly.

    It depends on the markings! If it was a spiral marked roundabout, where the markings guide you away from the centre and out of the roundabout, they would have been staying in their own lane and not cutting anybody off, if it was concentrically marked there may be an issue.


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  • #72
    corklad12
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 66 ✭✭corklad12


    Remember OP: Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre.


  • #73
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    AK333 wrote: »
    Clearly I didn't explain the roundabout correctly, or you didn't get it! And I'm not a man.

    the roundabout has 3 exits, think of a q - clock is obviously too much for you to comprehend
    Absolutely no need for your condescension, which is downright imbecilic considering you're in the wrong
    AK333 wrote: »
    - one lane goes into 2 at the tail of the q, there are two exits on the 'circle' part and then the third exit is the continuous part of the straight line - I was in the right lane, ie going all around the roundabout and getting off at the last exit - numptie was in the left lane, passed off exit 1 and 2 and tried to cut me off at exit 3.
    If you're existing straight from a roundabout, regardless of the number of exits, you stay in the left lane unless road markings dictate otherwise, have a good read of the attached link so drivers like myself have one less incompetent driver to worry about at roundabouts.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/Roundabouts_DL_2012_v3.pdf
    AK333 wrote: »
    See you your quote above, left lane is for turning left,

    Did the road markings clearly state this? If not you're wrong.

    AK333 wrote: »
    so why was numptie (who was a man) in the left lane going all around the roundabout.

    What has the driver's gender got to do with it?
    AK333 wrote: »
    Get it now!
    I get that you have no clue as to how to use a roundabout correctly and have a massive attitude when all I was trying to do was educate you to your error.


  • #74
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Here's an image I painstakingly created ages ago to illustrate the above concept, which I unashamedly re-post.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/425942/218785.jpg

    From this thread.

    Directing people to the RSA's website would be far more beneficial,

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/Roundabouts_DL_2012_v3.pdf

    And may I suggest you have a read of same if you actually believe the right hand lane should be used to exit straight from a roundabout.


  • #75
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    byte wrote: »
    You're only supposed to be crossing into the left/outer lane, only if it's safe to do so, which it wasn't in your case?

    No AK333 is right. She had the right (in both senses) lane so had a accident occurred, it would be the fault of the driver in the wrong lane bullying their way in.


  • #76
    AK333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭AK333


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    I get that you have no clue as to how to use a roundabout correctly and have a massive attitude when all I was trying to do was educate you to your error.


    Two lanes entering the roundabout, 3 exits. Which lane would you be in for the 3rd exit?


  • #77
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    No AK333 is right. She had the right (in both senses) lane so had a accident occurred, it would be the fault of the driver in the wrong lane bullying their way in.

    No she's not, she was on the right hand lane to exit straight:rolleyes: She would have had to leave her lane and enter the other driver's lane to make her exit, why is this so difficult to comprehend? The rules of the road clearly state:

    Golden Rule
    this ‘golden rule’ should help motorists to drive safely at
    any roundabout regardless of the number of exits:
    think of the roundabout as a clock.

    If taking any exit from the 6 o’clock to the 12 o’clock
    position, motorists should generally approach in the
    left-hand lane.

    If taking any exit between the 12 o’clock to the
    6 o’clock positions, motorists should generally
    approach in the right-hand lane.



    She was exiting at 12, she was in the right hand lane, she was wrong!


  • #78
    AK333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭AK333


    SnakePlissken wrote: »

    Golden Rule
    this ‘golden rule’ should help motorists to drive safely at
    any roundabout regardless of the number of exits:
    think of the roundabout as a clock.

    If taking any exit from the 6 o’clock to the 12 o’clock
    position, motorists should generally approach in the
    left-hand lane.

    If taking any exit between the 12 o’clock to the
    6 o’clock positions, motorists should generally
    approach in the right-hand lane.

    She was exiting at 12, she was in the right hand lane, she was wrong!

    There was no exit after 12 - that was the last exit. 2 lanes into the roundabout, 3 exits, which lane would you be in for the last exit?


  • #79
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    AK333 wrote: »
    Two lanes entering the roundabout, 3 exits. Which lane would you be in for the 3rd exit?

    Where's the exit on a clock face? Seeing as you would ask such a question without clarifying something so fundamentally necessary proves to me you have no clue.... why am I even arguing with you, I've posted a link to the RSA website that shows quite clearly you were in the wrong and you've chosen to ignore it.

    Please, please, learn to use a roundabout correctly before you seriously injure someone, though it certainly won't be me, as I'm well used to driving defensively in the advent of meeting people like you.


  • #80
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    No she's not, she was on the right hand lane to exit straight:rolleyes: She would have had to leave her lane and enter the other driver's lane to make her exit, why is this so difficult to comprehend? The rules of the road clearly state:

    Golden Rule
    this ‘golden rule’ should help motorists to drive safely at
    any roundabout regardless of the number of exits:
    think of the roundabout as a clock.

    If taking any exit from the 6 o’clock to the 12 o’clock
    position, motorists should generally approach in the
    left-hand lane.

    If taking any exit between the 12 o’clock to the
    6 o’clock positions, motorists should generally
    approach in the right-hand lane.



    She was exiting at 12, she was in the right hand lane, she was wrong!

    Ahhhh... Well if its the case that you have to treat the roundabout as a clock rather than anything else, Ive got some brushing up to do! Count me out of this argument:)


  • #81
    AK333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭AK333


    Answer the question seeing as your the expert and I'm not.

    In all my posts, including the poor analogy of the clock face, I stated there were 3 exits and I was getting off at the last one.

    Answer the question, 2 lanes into a roundabout, 3 exits. Which lane are you in to get off at the last exit.

    Be the man, admit you were wrong and I am right. I was in the RIGHT lane in every way.

    You are a bully


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  • #82
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Ahhhh... Well if its the case that you have to treat the roundabout as a clock rather than anything else, Ive got some brushing up to do! Count me out of this argument:)

    What is this? Someone on After Hours admitting that maybe, just maybe, they were wrong!

    I tip my hat to you good sir:cool:

    Now if only AK333 would have an actual read of my link we might be getting somewhere :)


  • #83
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,606 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    AK333 wrote: »
    There was no exit after 12 - that was the last exit. 2 lanes into the roundabout, 3 exits, which lane would you be in for the last exit?

    The exit after 12 o'clock would be to perform a 360, just because you think the 12 o'clock exit is the last one doesn't it is the last one.
    Can you post an image from google maps? Perhaps this will help avoid confusion.

    Unless it was marked explicitly on the road, or 12 o'clock is really 1 or 2 o'clock then you were probably wrong.


  • #84
    AK333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭AK333


    5uspect wrote: »
    The exit after 12 o'clock would be to perform a 360, just because you think the 12 o'clock exit is the last one doesn't it is the last one.
    Can you post an image from google maps? Perhaps this will help avoid confusion.


    Unfortunately my IT skills aren't up to that but is Moangarrif Roundabout in Clonmel if anyone wants to google that.


  • #85
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Screw it, I'm coming back in! Sorry snake but if there is literally only three exits on a half roundabout, and because its all up tu 12 o clock then why are there two lanes going in? I think using the left lane for tge first two exits, then tge right for the last one, is the way to go. The golden rule is ideal but only if there are actually any exits after 12 o clock imho.


  • #86
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    AK333 wrote: »
    Answer the question seeing as your the expert and I'm not.
    I think we've clearly established this.
    AK333 wrote: »
    In all my posts, including the poor analogy of the clock face, I stated there were 3 exits and I was getting off at the last one.

    Read the RSA website that clarifies this
    AK333 wrote: »
    Answer the question, 2 lanes into a roundabout, 3 exits. Which lane are you in to get off at the last exit.
    For the love of baby Jesus' underpants please read the RSA website that CLARIFIES THIS
    AK333 wrote: »
    Be the man, admit you were wrong and I am right. I was in the RIGHT lane in every way.

    Why do you keep insisting on bringing gender into this?
    AK333 wrote: »
    You are a bully
    Wow, just wow! How could you have so badly misconstrued my posts as bullying?


  • #87
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    AK333 wrote: »
    Unfortunately my IT skills aren't up to that but is Moangarrif Roundabout in Clonmel if anyone wants to google that.

    Clonmel? Thats about ten minutes from me, ill give it a shot.


  • #88
    AK333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭AK333


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Clonmel is about ten minutes from me, ill give it a shot.

    Thank you. If you are that close you'll know exactly the exits. First one onto bypass, 2nd one to petrol station and housing estate and last one onto the N24.


  • #89
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Screw it, I'm coming back in! Sorry snake but if there is literally only three exits on a half roundabout, and because its all up tu 12 o clock then why are there two lanes going in? I think using the left lane for tge first two exits, then tge right for the last one, is the way to go. The golden rule is ideal but only if there are actually any exits after 12 o clock imho.

    If the last exit is straight off the roundabout (ie. at 12 o clock) the purpose of the right hand lane would be to do a 180 degree back down the road, however if the last exit was just past 12, the right hand lane would be the correct lane to use.


  • #90
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    AK333 wrote: »
    Unfortunately my IT skills aren't up to that but is Moangarrif Roundabout in Clonmel if anyone wants to google that.

    What this roundabout?

    https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Moangarriff+Clonmel&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x48432e773cda80a9:0xbe0f6394c5ec155a,Moangarriff,+Co.+Tipperary&gl=ie&ei=OmviUZ2nJYSQ7AaAuIH4DA&ved=0CGsQtgM

    It clearly shows four exits not three or am I missing something?


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  • #91
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    AK333 wrote: »
    Thank you. If you are that close you'll know exactly the exits. First one onto bypass, 2nd one to petrol station and housing estate and last one onto the N24.

    The only one i can think of is at the end of the road with Dunnes, Mordaunts, Lidl(or Aldi) and Texaco station at the end of it. Thats a half roundabout too. Is that the one?


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