David Haye to fight Tyson Fury?

DuckHook · 12-07-2013 12:00PM

el flaco wrote: »

Does it give a figure of how many tickets are left in total? I don't know if anything can proved for either argument until we hear this is a sell out, or realise a few weeks down the line that tickets are still available.

There is definitely an interest in this fight though, even if it isn't deserving in the sense that there are titles on the line between truly elite fighters.

People are drawn in by the pantomime aspect. This thread alone has had 4 pages worth of comments in the last couple of days with input from a range of different people and has more pages than most threads ever get on the boxing forum. That in itself is a somewhat unusual occurrence, particularly given that the fight isn't for another 2 and a half months.

Good post..

Its one of those style over substance fights i suppose and every chance it will sell out as the two lads will sell the fight well. I just dont agree with the box office billing but thats just one mans opinion.

Heres hoping its a good fight and i will most likely end up getting it even though im complaining now

Johner · 12-07-2013 12:02PM

DuckHook wrote: »

I think your overestimating the draw these two have at this stage of their respective careers, most ordinary punters would struggle to tell you how tyson fury was.

Haye is a big draw. Most of my friends would only watch the Mayweather fights and they know who Tyson Fury is. The fight is big and will sell well on box office.

DuckHook wrote: »

anyways its on box office and people will pay, doesnt make it right.

Is that not what does make it right?It's on box office because people will pay. The fight is huge for UK and Ireland. 10,000 tickets sold in 3 hours yesterday.

walshb · 12-07-2013 12:17PM

Simple: These two names meeting are box office. Sure, they may not be the two best, but box office doesn't work like that alone. They may or may not be known in China-India-Japan etc, but who cares? This is being marketed to the UK and Ireland and some other countries mainly. They are big big names on these isles. Hence there will be a big demand to see the fight. Box Office works best like this.

Pighead · 12-07-2013 12:25PM

DuckHook wrote: »

It seems you were completely wrong as there are loads of tickets available as you said "I'd say the fight is probably sold out already." no two ways about it.

Ha ha. Fair enough I was completely wrong then if that makes you happy! I think I was right in my general point though which is that this is a fight that is going to prove very very popular with the general public. And therefore is a box office fight.

Alpha Dog 1 · 12-07-2013 12:28PM

Hughie Fury is fighting tonight in Dundalk for anyone that's interested.

el flaco · 12-07-2013 12:39PM

DuckHook wrote: »

Good post..

Its one of those style over substance fights i suppose and every chance it will sell out as the two lads will sell the fight well. I just dont agree with the box office billing but thats just one mans opinion.

Heres hoping its a good fight and i will most likely end up getting it even though im complaining now

I totally understand where you're coming from. The whole concept of PPV annoys me. I know Sky Sports and Sky Box Office are two different things, but as a boxing fan that pays for sports subscriptions it feels like a slap in the face to be asked to pay for more events as and when they choose, but that's a whole other rant.....

I usually end up paying for these events simply because I like boxing so much. I was more willing to pay for Froch v Kessler because if ever there was someone that could come close to guaranteeing entertainment/value for money in boxing it's Froch.
I don't take issue with Fury's involvement in this PPV either as, despite the fact that he's not an elite fighter, he is an entertaining one. David Haye is my concern. I, along with a lot of people have been left unsatisfied by some of his past matchups and feel less inclined to fork out money with the potential for more of the same. (As an aside, there is a good article in Boxing Monthly about same)

What would sweeten the deal would be a decent undercard. At least if the main fight is a stinker or a blowout then I will feel that a good effort was made to provide value for money. The undercard for Froch v Kessler quite simply wasn't good enough but I was willing to look past this as Froch was top of the bill and I had the Champions League final to provide a filler while the other fights were on. They won't have that excuse this time.
Although, to be fair they also weren't helped by the Pascal v Bute card falling through on the same night.

I will ending up paying the fee anyway, as I usually do.......:rolleyes:

DuckHook · 12-07-2013 01:06PM

walshb wrote: »

Simple: These two names meeting are box office. Sure, they may not be the two best, but box office doesn't work like that alone. They may or may not be known in China-India-Japan etc, but who cares? This is being marketed to the UK and Ireland and some other countries mainly. They are big big names on these isles. Hence there will be a big demand to see the fight. Box Office works best like this.

Like i said its on box office and wether i like it or not people will pay, but lets not pretend that tyson fury is a big big name because he simply is not.

Its a circus and will generate interest but then when haye is involved thats normally the case and he has been show up as more style over substance when he fought wlad.

So we have a case of haye having been on box office before and did'nt deliver while fury has been fighting mostly on channel 5..yet we are to accept that these two are worthy of box office.

Frankie Lee · 12-07-2013 01:38PM

I'd imagine the undercard will have Degale fighting someone in the top 10 with a few other Hennessey and Matchroom fighters making up the numbers.

Pighead · 12-07-2013 01:44PM

DuckHook wrote: »

So we have a case of haye having been on box office before and did'nt deliver while fury has been fighting mostly on channel 5..yet we are to accept that these two are worthy of box office.

Don't think you understand what the term box-office means.

Box Office: Used to refer to the commercial success of a movie, play, or actor in terms of the audience size or takings they command

You are trying to equate the term box office with quality when it actually refers to popularity. The qualities of Haye or Fury as fighters is actually pretty irrelevant. It's all about the numbers they produce. There is no two ways about it. This is a box office fight.

el flaco · 12-07-2013 02:06PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I'd imagine the undercard will have Degale fighting someone in the top 10 with a few other Hennessey and Matchroom fighters making up the numbers.

Yeah that's a possibility alright. I wouldn't mind seeing Hughie Fury and Kid Galahad get a chance on there. (not against each other of course

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I'm not sure if DeGale will still be a Hennessey fighter or not? It seems he's trying to sound out Bob Arum as his future promoter, although Arum is a little wary because he's worried about any potential legal/contractual implications. If he is still around though I think he'd be another good choice because you would expect to see him matched against a decent level of opposition as you say.

DuckHook · 12-07-2013 02:07PM

Pighead wrote: »

Don't think you understand what the term box-office means.

Box Office: Used to refer to the commercial success of a movie, play, or actor in terms of the audience size or takings they command

You are trying to equate the term box office with quality when it actually refers to popularity. The qualities of Haye or Fury as fighters is actually pretty irrelevant. It's all about the numbers they produce. There is no two ways about it. This is a box office fight.

Dont be so pedantic of course i know what box office means, i personally dont think this is worthy of it.

Many others do and thats fair enough but we dont all have to agree with each other now do we?

im moving on from this and i hope we can agree to disagree.

Pighead · 12-07-2013 02:09PM

DuckHook wrote: »

Dont be so pedantic of course i know what box office means, i dont think this is worthy of it.

If you know what box office means then there is no way you can think this is not worthy of it. It's going to be a huge commercial success therefore it is worthy.

wadacrack · 12-07-2013 03:12PM

In business terms this fight is worthy of box office. Boxing is a business as well as a sport

Kess73 · 12-07-2013 04:58PM

No doubt that it is a Box Office fight. In terms of English heavyweights, they are probably the two biggest names that are still active. Both are well know in England, and there is also going to be a bit of a North/South divide in how English punters will see the pairing what with Haye being a London boy and Fury being born in Manchester. Then throw in Fury's Irish parents, and traveller roots and a few more demographics get added.

DuckHook · 12-07-2013 05:41PM

R_LYSM

Johner · 12-07-2013 06:01PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I7jIKQKY90

At the races today.

Alpha Dog 1 · 12-07-2013 09:09PM

Johner wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I7jIKQKY90

At the races today.

Any word on how hughie got on?

Johner · 12-07-2013 09:24PM

It's on at the moment. 2 rounds gone.

Johner · 12-07-2013 09:56PM

Hughie won, opponent retired at the end of the 5th.

Frankie Lee · 12-07-2013 09:57PM

Results of tonight's fights available here http://boxrec.com/results.php

An impressive result on paper considering some fringe world level fighters have failed to put away Perkovic.

el flaco · 21-07-2013 10:13PM

Looks like the plan is to get Hughie out again on September 14th and then on the undercard for this PPV.

Peter Fury has said an offer was made to Tony Thompson to fight Hughie but he turned it down.
Thompson has said its a load of bull. It's not clear whether he is making the point that no offer was made or whether the offer that was made wasn't good enough. I'm inclined to think it's the latter.

If an offer was made it's definitely an ambitious move.

Dick phelan · 21-07-2013 10:56PM

el flaco wrote: »

Looks like the plan is to get Hughie out again on September 14th and then on the undercard for this PPV.

Peter Fury has said an offer was made to Tony Thompson to fight Hughie but he turned it down.
Thompson has said its a load of bull. It's not clear whether he is making the point that no offer was made or whether the offer that was made wasn't good enough. I'm inclined to think it's the latter.

If an offer was made it's definitely an ambitious move.

Far to soon to be fighting a guy like Thompson, Hughie is a baby at 18 really shouldnt be thinking of that kind of level for at least another year he needs to gain experience and step up in levels at the right pace no need to hurry he has a long long time.

el flaco · 22-07-2013 11:02AM

Dick phelan wrote: »

Far to soon to be fighting a guy like Thompson, Hughie is a baby at 18 really shouldnt be thinking of that kind of level for at least another year he needs to gain experience and step up in levels at the right pace no need to hurry he has a long long time.

Yeah it would be a massive leap in quality of opponent.
For better or worse he is trying to become the youngest ever heavyweight world champion and the only way that is realistically possible is to beat someone of Thompson's calibre soon. He has a window of about a year and a half to try to break the record and the higher up the ladder you get the deeper the political mire becomes. He would need to make himself a genuine contender with several months to spare to allow for negotiating and organising a world title fight as they wouldn't be able to arrange such a fight at a few weeks notice.

In response to some negativity on twitter about the attempt to set up a match with Thompson, Hughie said:

icould get KO'd dont mean ive lost record its a test to see where im at n how far i can go pal im no bothered about my 0 record

Whether their approach is misguided or not, I love his attitude. In an era of padded records and overly cautious match-making it's refreshing to hear somebody that isn't afraid to lose.

The one concern I'd have about pushing him too far too fast would be that his inexperience puts his health in danger against a good opponent.

I think his level of punching power could be a hindrance in the attempt to fast-track his success too. As the opponents get tougher it is a huge bonus to have the power to turn (or end) a fight with one punch. It would also make it easier to fit more fights into a small time frame if he could KO opponents in a couple of rounds, leaving him fresh enough for a quick turnaround. Going the distance in fights or taking extended punishment would definitely slow his progress.
He may develop more power as he gets older but of course the record attempt will be a memory by then.

Alpha Dog 1 · 22-07-2013 12:07PM

Chisora or David price would probably be decent fights for him.

Dick phelan · 22-07-2013 02:39PM

el flaco wrote: »

Yeah it would be a massive leap in quality of opponent.
For better or worse he is trying to become the youngest ever heavyweight world champion and the only way that is realistically possible is to beat someone of Thompson's calibre soon. He has a window of about a year and a half to try to break the record and the higher up the ladder you get the deeper the political mire becomes. He would need to make himself a genuine contender with several months to spare to allow for negotiating and organising a world title fight as they wouldn't be able to arrange such a fight at a few weeks notice.

In response to some negativity on twitter about the attempt to set up a match with Thompson, Hughie said:
Whether their approach is misguided or not, I love his attitude. In an era of padded records and overly cautious match-making it's refreshing to hear somebody that isn't afraid to lose.

The one concern I'd have about pushing him too far too fast would be that his inexperience puts his health in danger against a good opponent.

I think his level of punching power could be a hindrance in the attempt to fast-track his success too. As the opponents get tougher it is a huge bonus to have the power to turn (or end) a fight with one punch. It would also make it easier to fit more fights into a small time frame if he could KO opponents in a couple of rounds, leaving him fresh enough for a quick turnaround. Going the distance in fights or taking extended punishment would definitely slow his progress.
He may develop more power as he gets older but of course the record attempt will be a memory by then.

Agree that its nice see a fighter not afraid to loose or to fight the best he can, i think Hughie will be a world champion in the future early to say that i no but i rate the kid highly, dont think he can break the record though, as you said he doesnt have the 1 punch ko power that Tyson had, who knows his career is certainly one to watch i think the lad is going places and think he will be a future champ

DuckHook · 23-07-2013 10:55AM

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Chisora or David price would probably be decent fights for him.

I think ideas of fighting the likes of thompson, chisora or price need to be shelved for at least a couple of years. He has just fought a man with a 4-28 record why rush what looks to be a decent prospect.

Big potential to get beat badly against this level of opponent and he doesnt need to risk this at this stage of his career, good on him for being willing to fight any of them though.

Frank Bullitt · 24-07-2013 10:46PM

Pair of numpties.

el flaco · 08-08-2013 01:13PM

Andy Lee has been added to this card. As has Manuel Charr. No confirmed opponents yet.

flanna01 · 08-08-2013 09:28PM

Andy Lee is a gate keeper... Good boxer, but will never be world class.

David Haye will destroy Fury, anybody that thinks otherwise is not a boxing fan.

T-K-O · 08-08-2013 09:30PM

flanna01 wrote: »

Andy Lee is a gate keeper... Good boxer, but will never be world class.

David Haye will destroy Fury, anybody that thinks otherwise is not a boxing fan.

Brilliant, I love this post

David Haye to fight Tyson Fury?

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