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TV Licence - ALL TV licence discussion/queries in this thread.

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    #572
    zg3409
    Registered Users Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭zg3409


    It would be best to contact them and invite them to visit to prove you do not have a TV.


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    #573
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    zg3409 wrote: »
    It would be best to contact them and invite them to visit to prove you do not have a TV.

    It is shocking that a person would feel like they need to invite a stranger into their house to prove they do not have something.
    The assumption is that you are a liar.

    I don't have a dog either but noone ever called around to check:rolleyes:


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    #574
    zg3409
    Registered Users Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭zg3409


    The alternative is to go to court and state you do not have a licence. Then the TV licence people will produce whatever evidence they have and the judge will decide of you are guilty.

    Evidence they could use

    1) Saw a glow in the window, it was a TV
    2) Old dish on the side of the house
    3) Old aerial on the roof

    Then it's your word vs theirs. Even having an old aerial or dish makes you "guilty". You would need to remove them.


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    #575
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Then it's your word vs theirs. Even having an old aerial or dish makes you "guilty". You would need to remove them.

    I do not believe this is the case. A dish or aerial isn't a device that can receive and display a signal, which is what is legislated for.


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    #576
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Probably best just to call them and tell them you dont have a TV. They'll send you a form to sign to say you dont have one I think


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    #577
    ThunderZtorm
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭ThunderZtorm


    I called them, he told me the inspector said there was a TV, I said "well that's not correct".

    He then told me to send an e-mail stating all the details as I knew them, so I've done that.

    We'll see what happens next.


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    #578
    Fred Swanson
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    #579
    Johnboy1951
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Unlikely ...... but it has never been tested in court, as far as I am aware.


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    #580
    Fred Swanson
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    #581
    Bob24
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    I would say it would win but only on a circuit court appeal.

    It probably wouldn't. In the law, TV set is defined as a device originally designed to receive TV broadcasting - even if it is currently no capable of doing so. This clearly includes at TV which is broken, has had its tuner removed, or is analog only.

    If the TV originally doesn't have a tuner ... Then it would be fine.


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    #582
    Fred Swanson
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    #583
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I believe there is a good basis for a challenge.
    I would not be certain of winning it.

    BUT ..... it is not worth the effort to do so ..... we will soon have a situation where each household pays whether they have a licensable device or not.


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    #584
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    No, it is still capable of being repaired.


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    #585
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    No, it is still capable of being repaired.

    Never been tested in court as far as I am aware ....... unless you have a reference to such a court decision?


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    #586
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Never been tested in court as far as I am aware ....... unless you have a reference to such a court decision?

    I do not.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html#l1f4da

    Even if the television or other equipment is broken and currently unable to receive a signal, it is regarded as capable of being repaired so it can receive a signal and you must hold a licence for it.

    ^^ seems pretty unambiguous though.


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    #587
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    I do not.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html#l1f4da

    Even if the television or other equipment is broken and currently unable to receive a signal, it is regarded as capable of being repaired so it can receive a signal and you must hold a licence for it.

    ^^ seems pretty unambiguous though.

    Oh, no doubt the 'general' advice is as you have quoted from the link above (and given in this thread) ..... my only point is that this advice has not been determined in the courts, as far as I know, and thus it is just opinion.


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    #588
    Fred Swanson
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    #589
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    I would love to know where I can repair a CRT TV because supposedly they think it can be done.


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    #590
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Bob24 wrote: »
    If the TV originally doesn't have a tuner ... Then it would be fine.
    Except it would never have been a TV in the first place.

    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    How ?

    A competent engineer could replace the parts.

    And remember it's a judge deciding not an electronics expert.


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    Fred Swanson
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    #592
    Bob24
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Except it would never have been a TV in the first place.

    Right ... lets call it monitor then. But still the point is the same: as long as the device was originally designed to receive TV broadcast a TV licence is due even though it is not currently capable of doing so; but if you have a device that was never designed to receive TV broadcast then you are fine.


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    #593
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    This has probably been posted before but I couldn't be assed going through 15 pages looking for a similar comment. ( Why do they do that?) Its not as if your'e wasting ePaper by having multiple threads. Anyway....

    RTE being bailed out by the taxpayer.:confused: WTF.
    RTE should spend only what they are able to collect and no more. They have adverts too remember.
    Close down the station, sack everyone and give the national TV reigns to TV3.;)


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    #594
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    This has probably been posted before but I couldn't be assed going through 15 pages looking for a similar comment. ( Why do they do that?) Its not as if your'e wasting ePaper by having multiple threads. Anyway....

    RTE being bailed out by the taxpayer.:confused: WTF.
    RTE should spend only what they are able to collect and no more. They have adverts too remember.
    Close down the station, sack everyone and give the national TV reigns to TV3.;)

    Tv3 is also being bailed out by the taxpayer though a large Anglo Irish loan currently with NAMA due to the closure of IRBC. IRBC agreed to freeze 85million and interest.


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    #595
    paulboland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭paulboland


    Tv Licence
    You need a TV Licence even if you don't have a TV
    You still need a licence if have a satellite/aerial or active cable provider connection in your home even if no tv is connected or been used
    If you have the ability to receive a tv Brodcast you need a licence

    If you have a Radio you need a TV licence

    If you have Internet access in your home
    Including mobile phone
    If you have a computer or a mobile phone any device that can access the Internet you need a TV Licence

    I doubt there is anyone at this stage who live in a house apartment be it there own home or rented who does not use at some stage the above

    The new broadcasting bill and licence will replace the tv licence

    TV licence is for all forms of radio and TV and Video and Music broadcasts you use on your home

    Most mobile phones alone have ability alone to access a video or music Broadcast online today


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    #596
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,505 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    paulboland wrote: »
    Tv Licence
    You need a TV Licence even if you don't have a TV
    You still need a licence if have a Satalite/aerial or active cable provider connection in your home even if no tv is connected or been used
    If you have the ability to receive a tv Brodcast you need a licence

    If you have a Radio you need a TV licence

    If you have Internet access in your home
    Including mobile phone
    If you have a computer or a mobile phone any device that can access the Internet you need a TV Licence

    Only possession of a TV or other device such as a TV tuner card in a PC requires a TV Licence. A radio or internet connection does not require a TV Licence at the moment, Broadcasting Act 2009 Part 9 refers.
    “television set” means any electronic apparatus capable of receiving
    and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general
    reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on
    the use of anything else in conjunction with it) and any software or
    assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus;

    ...

    142.—(1) Subject to the exceptions mentioned in subsection (3), a
    person shall not keep or have in his or her possession anywhere in
    the territory of the State a television set save in so far as such keeping
    or possession is authorised by a television licence for the time being
    in force.

    (2) A person having possession of a television set under a television
    licence shall not keep such a television set otherwise than in
    accordance with the terms and conditions subject to which such
    licence is expressly, or is by virtue of this Part deemed to have
    been granted.

    (3) This section does not apply to a television set, which is of a
    class or description for the time being declared by an order of the
    Minister to be a class or description of television set to which this
    section is not to apply.

    If your household, business or institution possesses a television or equipment capable of receiving a television signal, you are required by law to have a television licence. Even if the television or other equipment is broken and currently unable to receive a signal, it is regarded as capable of being repaired so it can receive a signal and you must hold a licence for it.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html

    A Public Service Broadcasting Charge is on the way that will include all devices capable of receiving TV channels incl. TV, internet, mobile. Consultation due soon.

    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2013/Rabbitte+publishes+5+year+review+of+public+service+broadcasting.htm
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056927654


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    #597
    Fred Swanson
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    #598
    The Cush
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    That's correct, only the device connected to them capable of receiving the signal and displaying a TV channel.


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    #599
    Un-Big
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Un-Big


    In the Broadcasting act, a television set is described as follows:

    "“television set” means any electronic apparatus capable of receiving
    and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general
    reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on
    the use of anything else in conjunction with it) and any software or
    assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus;"

    I was wondering, if I removed the TV socket yoke from the back of the TV would it then no longer count as apparatus capable of receiving broadcasting services? Has anyone ever tried that or know anyone who has? What's the likeliness I'd get away with it? Cheers


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    #600
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,412 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    If it has a receiver it's a telly.
    You could always repair it.


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    #601
    Un-Big
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Un-Big


    But then technically couldn't you modify a PC monitor and put a receiver in? They don't count as TV Sets.


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