2 Elderly brother beaten to death in Mayo

Xenji · 10-07-2013 04:58PM

You could have 10 times the number of Gardai in Mayo and it would not change anything, these people seem and act like they are "Untouchable" and it has been escalating over the last year here.

kupus · 10-07-2013 05:05PM

Fcukin scumbags need to be exterminated like cockroaches, hows about them apples liberals?

The blood of these men are on your hands, on the lawyers hands, and other partners, pyscologists, social worker etc.. willing to make money off the backs of these scum. In the money making racket that is known as justice in Ireland.

Im sick to my bollix of hearing how a guy with 20 convictions is out hanging around with his friend who has 80 convictions and still able to rob, rape, pillage and murder people.

mikom · 10-07-2013 05:22PM

wprathead wrote: »

Sympathies with the family and friends of these 2 gentlement - horrible death. Home is where you should be safest

They would have been safer had they lived in under a reek of turf in the bog............. what with its constant police presence.

This country is upside down.

Rainblow · 10-07-2013 05:22PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Castlebar, Taoiseach's back yard, botched robbery, men aged 69 and 76.

Are you implying that this happened because they did not vote for Inda? I wouldn't think that very likely.He might be vicious to people who cross him but He would not stoop that low.

Clandestine · 10-07-2013 05:24PM

Close to where I live and my dad apparently knew them well. A real shame.

Dyr · 10-07-2013 05:42PM

Fussgangerzone wrote: »

Apparently Russia actually has a really high rate of recidivism, so this isn't working for them. Their incarceration rate is about 7 times higher than ours, too.

recividism is fine if its a guy who was sent down for a 10 year stretch being sent down for another one after a year out. high incarceration rate doesnt sound like a problem either

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 05:52PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Not trying to be smart, but if you really do know, or think you know, who might have done this then you should be reporting it to the Gardai.

The Gardai can only do so much without people telling them what they know.

I would wager the cops know who its is - just gathering the evidence before they get them - if they dont slip across the border and down to the uk

My name is URL · 10-07-2013 05:55PM

kupus wrote: »

Fcukin scumbags need to be exterminated like cockroaches, hows about them apples liberals?

The blood of these men are on your hands

What a load of emotive claptrap. Good job on politicising such a horrible incident though.

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 06:03PM

My name is URL wrote: »

What a load of emotive claptrap. Good job on politicising such a horrible incident though.

hold on a sec - so you are telling me its NOT in the interest of the professions he mentioned to keep the "justice" train rolling ???
He may have worded it badly but the sentiment was 100% correct

its in the interest of the professions to keep these scum bags on the money'go'round - they dont give a flying f2uck about justice for family's or rehabilitation for the offenders

a reformed criminal does not buy the new merc for the real gangsters

My name is URL · 10-07-2013 06:15PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

hold on a sec - so you are telling me its NOT in the interest of the professions he mentioned to keep the "justice" train rolling ???
He may have worded it badly but the sentiment was 100% correct

its in the interest of the professions to keep these scum bags on the money'go'round - they dont give a flying f2uck about justice for family's or rehabilitation for the offenders

a reformed criminal does not buy the new merc for the real gangsters

Look at countries which have far less 'liberal' justice systems than Ireland does. Crime rates are still higher, repeat offenders are still more numerous and lawyers etc still make money on the back of it all.

It's a stupid, lazy and narrow minded exercise to try and blame atrocities such as this on 'liberals'.

What's Kupus suggesting we change anyway? I'm guessing he's in favour of the death penalty and an overall draconian prison system. Things which, if implemented, would see us kicked out of the EU and having huge sanctions levelled against us. It's real easy to shout about and bemoan our justice system but at least bear in mind the consequences of changing it to suit views such Kupus'.

Hootanany · 10-07-2013 06:20PM

Welcome to Lawless Ireland Bounty Hunters should be allowed to apprehend and only shoot on site when their own life is threatened.
Would get a lot of Jobless off the live register as well have a FAS Scheme Vtech approved.

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 06:21PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Look at countries which have far less 'liberal' justice systems than Ireland does. Crime rates are still higher, repeat offenders are still more numerous and lawyers etc still make money on the back of it all.

It's a stupid, lazy and narrow minded exercise to try and blame atrocities such as this on 'liberals'.

What's Kupus suggesting we change anyway? I'm guessing he's in favour of the death penalty and an overall draconian prison system. Things which, if implemented, would see us kicked out of the EU and having huge sanctions levelled against us. It's real easy to shout about and bemoan our justice system but at least bear in mind the consequences of changing it to suit views such Kupus'.

i never suggested or backed changing the system anyway, in truth i dont have any solution

but its a folly to ignore , many many people benefit from the justice circus , and would be all against changing it - next time you are passing the four courts , have a gander at the inner car park for a small example of the wealth sucked from the system off the backs of victims - some of the nicest cars in Dublin city are parked there , the other ones are in Kildare st on a cabinet meeting day

funny that

** and as for your suggestion about getting kicked out of the EU for having a harsh prison system - i think you should examine the Greek , Hungarian and Romanian prison systems , not fit for dogs , but yet they are still in the EU **

RustyNut · 10-07-2013 06:32PM

flutered wrote: »

i have a tazer, i intend to use it if even 10% required, and fcuk the concquences.

So you are a criminal yourself and keep an illegal weapon to attack other criminals, nice.

CastingCouch · 10-07-2013 06:38PM

Why has this thread turned into a bitch about the irish justice system?

People are acting like the criminals won't get put away? Why is there this reasoning?

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 06:48PM

CastingCouch wrote: »

Why has this thread turned into a bitch about the irish justice system?

People are acting like the criminals won't get put away? Why is there this reasoning?

think you are missing the point

people are debating about the system becasue when caught , these scum bags will have many many previous convictions

if the system actually worked they would not be free to have murdered these two disabled pensioners

the system sucks , and is supported by the professionals milking it
sure how would all the lawyers , barristers , ect ect make a killing .... i mean a living if the criminals were ACTUALLY dealt with in the first place

CastingCouch · 10-07-2013 07:02PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

think you are missing the point

people are debating about the system becasue when caught , these scum bags will have many many previous convictions

if the system actually worked they would not be free to have murdered these two disabled pensioners

the system sucks , and is supported by the professionals milking it
sure how would all the lawyers , barristers , ect ect make a killing .... i mean a living if the criminals were ACTUALLY dealt with in the first place

Since when was the identity of the criminals revealed?

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 07:17PM

CastingCouch wrote: »

Since when was the identity of the criminals revealed?

it has not been , but it will be when they are caught , and then their previous record will be reviled , and my and others points will be proved correct

as unfortunately this is the norm , career scum bags with a conviction list as long as your arm , who have been getting away with crime for years , end up getting done for murder , but if they had been dealt with in the first place , they would not have been free to kill in the first place

but you know this and are try to stir :rolleyes:

CastingCouch · 10-07-2013 07:23PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

it has not been , but it will be when they are caught , and then their previous record will be reviled , and my and others points will be proved correct

as unfortunately this is the norm , career scum bags with a conviction list as long as your arm , who have been getting away with crime for years , end up getting done for murder , but if they had been dealt with in the first place , they would not have been free to kill in the first place

but you know this and are try to stir :rolleyes:

What?

You're accusing me of trying to stir things yet you're the one saying that the ones who did this have previous convictions, which you do not.

Galwayguy35 · 10-07-2013 07:32PM

They should bring in the "3 strikes" prison system like in the States, give scumbags 2 chances to learn their lesson and then throw away the key, they would be no loss to society anyway because they contribute nothing to it.

RIP to the 2 brothers.

My name is URL · 10-07-2013 07:43PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i never suggested or backed changing the system anyway, in truth i dont have any solution

but its a folly to ignore , many many people benefit from the justice circus , and would be all against changing it - next time you are passing the four courts , have a gander at the inner car park for a small example of the wealth sucked from the system off the backs of victims - some of the nicest cars in Dublin city are parked there , the other ones are in Kildare st on a cabinet meeting day

funny that

** and as for your suggestion about getting kicked out of the EU for having a harsh prison system - i think you should examine the Greek , Hungarian and Romanian prison systems , not fit for dogs , but yet they are still in the EU **

One of the conditions set out when countries are acceded is that they put in place a number of reforms, including to the prison and justice systems when necessary. The Council of Europe conduct annual reports into how well they are progressing. If Ireland were to start regressing in those areas there would be hell to pay.

Just a few months ago a Romanian former inmate won a legal case against the government at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. Just one of many similar examples.

http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-wins-european-human-rights-court-case-against-government-over-timisoara-prison-conditions/77846/

People can't have their cake and eat it. If we want to remain a functioning part of the EU then we have to play by their rules. That means affording people free legal aid if they cannot pay for it themselves, and respecting human rights laws, even inside prisons.

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 08:00PM

CastingCouch wrote: »

What?

You're accusing me of trying to stir things yet you're the one saying that the ones who did this have previous convictions, which you do not.

me and others have said they will have had previous convictions - ill bet my life on it

are you suggesting that this is someones first crime , and they decided to commit a double murder ?

that is why i said you were stirring , becasue its obvious to a blind man the point i and others were making , tell you what , you mark this thread , and when the court case does eventually roll around , we can finish this conversation

first time offenders pppfffttt - give me a break

CastingCouch · 10-07-2013 08:15PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

me and others have said they will have had previous convictions - ill bet my life on it

are you suggesting that this is someones first crime , and they decided to commit a double murder ?

that is why i said you were stirring , becasue its obvious to a blind man the point i and others were making , tell you what , you mark this thread , and when the court case does eventually roll around , we can finish this conversation

first time offenders pppfffttt - give me a break

So...what other crimes do you think they have committed??????????

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 08:21PM

My name is URL wrote: »

One of the conditions set out when countries are acceded is that they put in place a number of reforms, including to the prison and justice systems when necessary. The Council of Europe conduct annual reports into how well they are progressing. If Ireland were to start regressing in those areas there would be hell to pay.

Just a few months ago a Romanian former inmate won a legal case against the government at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. Just one of many similar examples.

http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-wins-european-human-rights-court-case-against-government-over-timisoara-prison-conditions/77846/

People can't have their cake and eat it. If we want to remain a functioning part of the EU then we have to play by their rules. That means affording people free legal aid if they cannot pay for it themselves, and respecting human rights laws, even inside prisons.

that is all fine in black and white ................. but the reality is a different kettle of fish

did the chap who won the case suffer his in justice before or after they joined the EU ?

Ireland has been a member of the eec/EU since 72 , slopping out is still happening in mountjoy - making a mockery out of the EU directives for all of 40 years plus

Greek jails are notoriously bad in conditions and in treatment of offenders , i think they have been EU members for nearly 40 years also

SpaceTime · 10-07-2013 08:22PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They should bring in the "3 strikes" prison system like in the States, give scumbags 2 chances to learn their lesson and then throw away the key, they would be no loss to society anyway because they contribute nothing to it.

RIP to the 2 brothers.

The states take it too far but with seriously violent repeat crimes, it makes sense as they clearly learn nothing and are still a threat to society.

We've too many custodial sentences for non violent crime resulting in over crowding.

Use community service for non violent offences where possible. Use attachment to earnings for unpaid fines and put violent criminal behind bars!

We're not tackling violent repeat offenders properly at all.

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 08:25PM

CastingCouch wrote: »

So...what other crimes do you think they have committed??????????

i have no idea, but i am going to go out on a limb here and say they might be slightly worse than littering and jay walking

so cool your jets - stop trying to wind this up and ill see you back here in a year + so i can recive my " being 100% correct in my assertion " medal

so why dont we ask the class ?
so who here thinks who ever committed thees murders are first time offenders ?
or who thinks that these guy/guys are going to be well know to the cops and have records to match ???

answers on a post card to ........................

Xenji · 10-07-2013 08:43PM

Anyway to get back on topic, RTE are reporting a man has been held over the murders.

dj jarvis · 10-07-2013 08:45PM

Xenji wrote: »

Anyway to get back on topic, RTE are reporting a man has been held over the murders.

the justice system is off topic ????

whatever

Ruudi_Mentari · 10-07-2013 08:45PM

R.I.P. to these brothers, only the most pathetic prey on the most vulnerable and I can't see what will have warranted murdering them. Will maybe claim to be derring opportunists but it is pretty fcuking sinister at the end of the day, evil act.

Xenji · 10-07-2013 08:49PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

the justice system is off topic ????

whatever

This thread was started about 2 brothers who were murdered and since it was made, that has been the only bit of new information made about their deaths in 6 pages.

10-07-2013 08:59PM

Is this even murder under Irish law? Surely if they went in with the intention of robbing and not murdering, we'll be seeing these lads out in no time at all. Maybe 5 years with the last 2 suspended? Sounds about right...

2 Elderly brother beaten to death in Mayo

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