2 Elderly brother beaten to death in Mayo

Larbre34 · 10-07-2013 12:48PM #1

Castlebar, Taoiseach's back yard, botched robbery, men aged 69 and 76.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/elderly-brothers-beaten-to-death-during-botched-burglary-29408955.html

First of all, the sympathies and condemnation of all right thinking people to their families and community.

Second, this has been coming. At what point are the people of Ireland, vulnerable rural communities in particular, going to react in a proper fashion to the evisceration and emasculation of policing in this state, the unchecked marauding thugs who have the upper hand on the guards, the utterly useless and impotent criminal justice and detention policies of the courts and the government?

I have two living parents of a similar age, thankfully they dont live in isolation, but in a busy suburb with good neighbours, and despite all the security precautions taken on the house, I am permanently very afraid for them....

10-07-2013 12:51PM

and yet if they got life , its infringing there human rights wtf

Xenji · 10-07-2013 12:51PM

The two brothers were harmless as well and well known around town, I hope that this is a big wake up call for the town, most people know the element that perpetuated this and have been running rough shot around the town, I can see retaliations and reprisals against them for this, seeing that the Gardai have a proven record of not doing anything here.

This was anything but a rural area, it was in the middle of town, thankfully around that area they have a lot of cameras.

Aglomerado · 10-07-2013 01:01PM

Shocking tragedy, sympathies to the victims' family and community.

Disgusting that they should die in this manner! Like the OP, I've parents around the same age living in a smaller rural community and I feel afraid for them at times, more so with stories like this.

homerjay2005 · 10-07-2013 01:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

and yet if they got life , its infringing there human rights wtf

you commit a serious crime like this, your human rights should be quashed, end of.

wicklowstevo · 10-07-2013 01:06PM

larbre I agree with you there , its been coming and wont be the last time , my elderly mother lives alone and in a rural area . I ve ****ed of travellers who came calling in the past but don't live there full time,

its a complete failing for government. criminal justice and the destruction of the gardai by and minister who hates them. I would be un surprised and unwilling to condemn any one who took the law into their own hands. but how far and how extreme can you go. these animals murdered two innocent men in their own homes for a few euro or what ever , what do you think should be their punishment /.

ScumLord · 10-07-2013 01:13PM

Xenji wrote: »

I can see retaliations and reprisals against them for this, seeing that the Gardai have a proven record of not doing anything here.

I wouldn't blame the guards, it's the system they operate in. Even if the guard does the work and gets the guy into a court the judge will turn around and let him go again.

With the guards being so toothless I'd wonder if retribution is the only option left open to communities. It worked in the past.

the groutch · 10-07-2013 01:20PM

watch Edna empoying hundreds of new Gardai in the county.

Larbre34 · 10-07-2013 01:25PM

I'm absolutely not blaming the Guards, I know a good number of them and I hear the frustration and exasperation at the roadblocks to their effectiveness constantly put in their way by policy makers and liberal hand wringers.

I blame an outrageously out of touch penal system and successive Governments.

caustic 1 · 10-07-2013 01:25PM

My inlaws live in a rural area but are in constant fear of this happening. This now will only add to their fear, queue checking rechecking locks, doors, windows and every strange car that comes about is suspect. It is a sad way to live your life.

Condolences to all in this community.

I hope the cowardly lowlife scum that did it is found and gets the treatment they deserve.

ash23 · 10-07-2013 01:25PM

The area isn't rural though. It's in the middle of Castlebar in a well built up area.
It's a large town.

I think the problem is that vunerable older people are being targetted, be that in rural locations or urban.

There should be financial support for elderly people who are trying to increase the security in their homes. Similar to the warmer homes scheme, maybe the government/charities should roll out a "safer homes scheme".

Wibbs · 10-07-2013 01:26PM

ScumLord wrote: »

With the guards being so toothless.

It really isn't the Guards SL. They'd only love to catch these kind of scum, hell many of them come from such rural areas themselves, but like you say it's the judicial system that lets the human skidmarks walk or get short sentences or get one sentence lumped together for a load of convictions. How often do we hear they were "known to Gardai" or "20 previous convictions when out on bail/were taken into account". It is fúcking insanity.

Retribution appeals on a gut instinct level, but when the blood cools you think maybe not as escalation is much more likely. Look at the feuds that can last for generations among Travellers for example.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 10-07-2013 01:29PM

Shocking and disgusting crime,my sympathies to their family and community.
I have no doubt that the Gardai will apprehend the culprits as they have a very high success rate in cases like this.
The mandatory sentence for murder is rightly life imprisonment so I wouldn't worry about the judge letting them walk as some posters have stated.
Again, a disgusting an reprehensible act, cowardly and cruel in the extreme.

Larbre34 · 10-07-2013 01:31PM

ash23 wrote: »

There should be financial support for elderly people who are trying to increase the security in their homes. Similar to the warmer homes scheme, maybe the government/charities should roll out a "safer homes scheme".

Thats a fantastic idea, maybe there are some supports available already but Ive never come across them. It could create a few jobs as well, the only thing is they would have to be so careful with who would go on the approved list of installers, the security industry under the PSA has a huge issue with rogue operators

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 10-07-2013 01:32PM

Wibbs wrote: »

It really isn't the Guards SL. They'd only love to catch these kind of scum, hell many of them come from such rural areas themselves, but like you say it's the judicial system that lets the human skidmarks walk or get short sentences or get one sentence lumped together for a load of convictions. How often do we hear they were "known to Gardai" or "20 previous convictions when out on bail/were taken into account". It is fúcking insanity.

Retribution appeals on a gut instinct level, but when the blood cools you think maybe not as escalation is much more likely. Look at the feuds that can last for generations among Travellers for example.

My own view is that we need to change the law to ensure that anyone accused of a serious crime, who has previous convictions, cannot be granted bail, end of!
Societies rights have to balanced against the rights of the accused, and if they have previous then no bail!

Dyr · 10-07-2013 01:35PM

How about arming older folk in vulnerable areas so they actually don't get killed instead of acting after the fact to catch the bad guys

mike65 · 10-07-2013 01:35PM

I listened to an RTE report at the top of the news at One, and they did not give a clue to any violent death as far as I recall (admittedly I could have been listening more closely).

flutered · 10-07-2013 01:36PM

i have a tazer, i intend to use it if even 10% required, and fcuk the concquences.

Manach · 10-07-2013 01:36PM

Condolences to the family.

flutered · 10-07-2013 01:37PM

mike65 wrote: »

I listened to an RTE report at the top of the news at One, and they did not give a clue to any violent death as far as I recall (admittedly I could have been listening more closely).

its a pr exercise

FutureGuy · 10-07-2013 01:39PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I wouldn't blame the guards, it's the system they operate in. Even if the guard does the work and gets the guy into a court the judge will turn around and let him go again.

With the guards being so toothless I'd wonder if retribution is the only option left open to communities. It worked in the past.

Masks. Lots and lots of masks.

I Heart Internet · 10-07-2013 01:41PM

Xenji wrote: »

The two brothers were harmless as well and well known around town, I hope that this is a big wake up call for the town, most people know the element that perpetuated this and have been running rough shot around the town, I can see retaliations and reprisals against them for this, seeing that the Gardai have a proven record of not doing anything here.

Not trying to be smart, but if you really do know, or think you know, who might have done this then you should be reporting it to the Gardai.

The Gardai can only do so much without people telling them what they know.

Viper_JB · 10-07-2013 01:43PM

Sick people, anybody capable of such a horrific attack should not be allowed breathe a free breath of air again in their lives.

My name is URL · 10-07-2013 01:44PM

Old and grey wrote: »

I have no doubt that the Gardai will apprehend the culprits as they have a very high success rate in cases like this.
The mandatory sentence for murder is rightly life imprisonment so I wouldn't worry about the judge letting them walk as some posters have stated.

That's assuming they get charged and prosecuted for murder. We don't exactly have the best record in that regard.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/man-jailed-for-robbery-of-pensioner-448533.html

Condolences to the guys family & friends.. these stories really piss me off. There should be mandatory and very harsh sentences for home invasions.

xzanti · 10-07-2013 01:44PM

Utterly sickening.. but unfortunately not shocking in these times...

What a tragic end to their lives.. horrific :mad: I hope their family gets justice.

RIP

Tugboats · 10-07-2013 01:46PM

Disgrace. Nothing will be done unless they send this man in
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Myy1LXvxzoU/T4rPct_j78I/AAAAAAAAAAg/BKFmowT3Czg/s400/Padraig+Nally.jpg

Xenji · 10-07-2013 01:47PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Not trying to be smart, but if you really do know, or think you know, who might have done this then you should be reporting it to the Gardai.

The Gardai can only do so much without people telling them what they know.

I did not make specifics about names, and I tried to leave it vague as per the rules here, I do not know the people who did this and never claimed to, but from other instances around town it is one of two groups of people and I am sure the Gardai are already well informed as to who these groups are.

Irishcrx · 10-07-2013 01:48PM

The whole justice system as we all know is a joke, has been for years. Sure if you fancy a life in crime, move to Ireland at least if you get caught you'll only get a rap on the knuckles the first 20 times, after that it's off the holiday camp for a few years where you can meet new friends, new business partners, bulk yourself up at leasure, take drugs , smoke , watch some TV, play some Xbox and have your meals handed to you. Prison in this country doesn't turn people off prison it makes crime seem easier when your released, the stats would back that up.

The government would want to have a think about that and actually make changes , hell go home stick on eetflix and whack on 'Russia's toughest prisons' that is how to run a prison, that is how to scare the hell out of wannabe or would be criminals and that is how to cage animals like these ****s. It's a prison not a holiday camp and they deserve every minute of it. Just a run down for anyone who hasn't seen it.

* You are held in a cell within a cell under 24/7 supervision by camera.
* You are referred to a prisoner 1567 etc you have no name.
* You answer every question yes sir no sir or you get the bat.
* Your cell is searched every day while you are pudt in a cage outside. Violation leads to immediate isolation and loss of what little privaelages you may have.
* No TV.
* No yard
* No interaction with other inmates.
* Halls are manned and patrolled by German shepards 24/7
* If you attempt to escape you are shot.
* You are blindfolder when being moved from building to building.
* You may have one 1 hour visit per month.
* You are fed in your cell.

Very interesting watch, and the interviews with the prisoners they are broken men. The young offenders seem genuinely terrified of ever coming back.

Xenji · 10-07-2013 01:49PM

It is also a bit ironic that this occurred literally around the corner from Enda Kenny's constituency office.

greenpilot · 10-07-2013 01:52PM

Whether it is the Gardai or citizens who know/apprehend these **** eating scum, an example must be made of them. These are the fat bastards who lounge around the Courthouse steps on a regular basis in full view....and I will say it again....full view of the citizens they fcuk over. There was a time in the West when these dole guzzling lowlifes would be beaten, stripped and dragged around to every halting site before being buried in the deepest bog in the Nephin mountains. Fine Mods, ban me for this one, but today, two good men lie dead just like the honour of todays society.

I Heart Internet · 10-07-2013 01:53PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

The whole justice system as we all know is a joke, has been for years. Sure if you fancy a life in crime, move to Ireland at least if you get caught you'll only get a rap on the knuckles the first 20 times, after that it's off the holiday camp for a few years where you can meet new friends, new business partners, bulk yourself up at leasure, take drugs , smoke , watch some TV, play some Xbox and have your meals handed to you. Prison in this country doesn't turn people off prison it makes crime seem easier when your released, the stats would back that up.

The government would want to have a think about that and actually make changes , hell go home stick on eetflix and whack on 'Russia's toughest prisons' that is how to run a prison, that is how to scare the hell out of wannabe or would be criminals and that is how to cage animals like these ****s. It's a prison not a holiday camp and they deserve every minute of it. Just a run down for anyone who hasn't seen it.

* You are held in a cell within a cell under 24/7 supervision by camera.
* You are referred to a prisoner 1567 etc you have no name.
* You answer every question yes sir no sir or you get the bat.
* Your cell is searched every day while you are pudt in a cage outside. Violation leads to immediate isolation and loss of what little privaelages you may have.
* No TV.
* No yard
* No interaction with other inmates.
* Halls are manned and patrolled by German shepards 24/7
* If you attempt to escape you are shot.
* You are blindfolder when being moved from building to building.
* You may have one 1 hour visit per month.
* You are fed in your cell.

Very interesting watch, and the interviews with the prisoners they are broken men. The young offenders seem genuinely terrified of ever coming back.

How has that regime worked out for Russia??

It's a beacon of peace, traquility and law-abiding, non-alcoholic people?

2 Elderly brother beaten to death in Mayo

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