Which Irish political party would you like to see in a new government?

Iwasfrozen · 07-07-2013 01:22AM

efb wrote: »

Where's that loony brigade that hope to run Count S. Markowitz?

He died in 1916 for our right not to pay taxes.

sdanseo · 07-07-2013 01:25AM

If Sinn Féin weren't still a tad questionable (it wasn't that long ago that Martin Ferris picked up a convicted cop-killer from prison in his van) then I'd be in all-out favour of them. Especially as their TD's only draw the industrial average wage.

As for FF, no, sorry. I like everything that the party stands for in theory, and again in theory it seems the best choice for where I want the country to go - but it's corrupt as fúck and full of scrongers, morons and lying bastards. If they can get rid of that element once and for all then they'll have my vote again.

The independent crowd are nothing short of militant (Clare Daly needs to be strung up for incitement to hatred, and let's not forget that two other independent TD's are almost bankrupt and a pothead, respectively) and I wouldn't vote for any of them at all, except perhaps Finian McGrath. Independednt TD's also cost the state over €41,000 a year more than a party TD as they receive an allowance.

FG and labour are ruining the place with cuts. We knew there'd be tough decisions as to cuts being made, but it seems that the ECB pat us on the back because we're doing better than expected, and then just as everyone gets happy about it, Enda and Noonan turn round and slash something important like Health or Pensions. That said, I don't think they've done as badly as is reflected in polls.

Time for a new party, mayhaps?

laoch na mona · 07-07-2013 10:13PM

marienbad wrote: »

and you want to be in government ? No wonder voters run a mile !

I don't want to be in government unless by I you meant Sinn Féin which along with leftist politicians have increased in popularity so voters don't seem to run a mile

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

1. You are clearly delusional if you think SF wil be in power this time around or next.

I made no such claim but since you want to be personal your post history suggests you are a unionist yet you say i'm delusional

Wilberto · 07-07-2013 10:59PM

sdeire wrote: »

If Sinn Féin weren't still a tad questionable (it wasn't that long ago that Martin Ferris picked up a convicted cop-killer from prison in his van) then I'd be in all-out favour of them. Especially as their TD's only draw the industrial average wage.

I'm afraid this whole aspect of SF TD's drawing the industrial wage is nothing but a vote grabber. It must be noted that while they only claim this amount, the remainder goes straight into the SF coffers. They're not actually saving the state any money at all. It's still admirably as the money is being used to fund the party which aims to, someday, serve the state but it is still a bit of a scam nonetheless. ((Maybe 'scam' is too harsh a word though))

sdeire wrote: »

The independent crowd are nothing short of militant (Clare Daly needs to be strung up for incitement to hatred, and let's not forget that two other independent TD's are almost bankrupt and a pothead, respectively) and I wouldn't vote for any of them at all, except perhaps Finian McGrath. Independent TD's also cost the state over €41,000 a year more than a party TD as they receive an allowance.

To be fair, the independents are never going to look good if you hold up Daly, Ming and Piggy as an example. Whereas if you look at guys such as Shane Ross (not that I particularly like him personally!) and perhaps more importantly Stephen Donnelly, you will get much more of an appreciation of them. Knowledgeable and independent Independents in the Dáil are vital as they are not affiliated to any party (obviously, kinda) and can make invaluable contributions to certain committees they may be on or involved with.

Iwasfrozen · 07-07-2013 11:10PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

I made no such claim but since you want to be personal your post history suggests you are a unionist yet you say i'm delusional

You're delusional if (conditional tense) you think SF will be in power this time round or next. Secondly I'm not unionist though I am flattered you reviewed my posting history.

playedalive · 07-07-2013 11:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll never vote for a political party, and I'll only vote for an Independent, if I have genuine belief in them. Otherwise, I don't/won't vote.

Generally I've more faith in Independent candidates than in any political party in this country. But the problem is that strength is always in numbers. Also, political parties can get their "words" to people better than one person.

sdanseo · 08-07-2013 01:26AM

To be fair, the independents are never going to look good if you hold up Daly, Ming and Piggy as an example. Whereas if you look at guys such as Shane Ross (not that I particularly like him personally!) and perhaps more importantly Stephen Donnelly, you will get much more of an appreciation of them. Knowledgeable and independent Independents in the Dáil are vital as they are not affiliated to any party (obviously, kinda) and can make invaluable contributions to certain committees they may be on or involved with.

I have a certain admiration for Shane Ross and also for Stephen Donnelly, However the revelation that their allowance is so high combined with the fact that even as a technical group they have almost no say or sway in how things run leads me to believe that supporting a party is the only real way to go, despite how idealistically perfect it is to have fantastic independents in a perfect world. If anything, the way the Dáil works needs to be changed - perhaps require a larger majority for votes to be passed or some such.

Bozo Skeleton · 08-07-2013 01:50AM

I'd have to go Independent, with Sinn Féin as my number 2. It's depressing. Fianna Fáil should have been obliterated forever, anyone representing them should be ashamed of themselves, yet according to recent polls, they're the most popular party in the land. How quickly we forget. Fine Gael, the blue shirts, are odious, Enda's record as Taoiseach speaks for itself. I've voted Labour and for the Green Party in the past, but they've sold out their ideals when they've been in, and torpedoed their grass roots support.
In summary, we're fúcked.

Mahogany · 08-07-2013 02:09AM

hfallada wrote: »

A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly.

Not some group of teachers who enjoy working in the big smoke we have now and haven't a clue how to run a business never mind a country

People before business.

dxhound2005 · 08-07-2013 02:15AM

sdeire wrote: »

I have a certain admiration for Shane Ross and also for Stephen Donnelly. However the revelation that their allowance is so high combined with the fact that even as a technical group they have almost no say or sway in how things run leads me to believe that supporting a party is the only real way to go, despite how idealistically perfect it is to have fantastic independents in a perfect world. If anything, the way the Dáil works needs to be changed - perhaps require a larger majority for votes to be passed or some such.

Shane Ross used to have a certain admiration for Fitzpatrick, Drumm and Fingleton and promoted the Nationwide and Anglo models in his former jouralistic days but he is silent about that nowadays. The last thing I read about Donnelly was that he was trying to save small schools in Wicklow from closure, something which would be regarded as vote buying gombeen stroke politics if it came from other sources.

OCorcrainn · 08-07-2013 04:57PM

Mahogany wrote: »

People before business.

There is a party that does that, people call it Sinn Féin.

Iwasfrozen · 08-07-2013 05:06PM

OCorcrainn wrote: »

There is a party that does that, people call it Sinn Féin.

Meat shields don't count.

For Forks Sake · 08-07-2013 05:17PM

sdeire wrote: »

If Sinn Féin weren't still a tad questionable (it wasn't that long ago that Martin Ferris picked up a convicted cop-killer from prison in his van) then I'd be in all-out favour of them. Especially as their TD's only draw the industrial average wage.

This nonsense again. Each one of them still cost the exchequer €92000 PLUS expenses per annum. Whether they decide to spend it on their party, rocket cars or flying monkeys is utterly irrellevant. This 'average industrial wage' is a smokescreen, there is no saving to the national coffers by electing a ULA/Socialist/Sinn Fein TD

If they truly want to take the national industrial wage, then let them come to an arrangement whereby they will only be paid a salary of 36k from the state, or let them refund the difference between 92k and the 'average industrial wage' back to the exchequer, rather than the current mockery.

Sleepy · 08-07-2013 05:22PM

If I felt I could personally surive the melt-down a Sinn Fein government would inevitably result in, I'd almost be tempted to vote for them as a form of national inoculation. One short-lived term of child-like simple-minded incompetency followed by the death of the party seems like almost a good deal.

Christ the Redeemer · 08-07-2013 05:24PM

**** them all, is my professional opinion. This country is no longer in our own hands but being run by shadowy capitalists and globalists. Just like the UK and the US.

Democracy is a facade. Even the whole abortion debate raging currently smells like yankee wedge issue driven politics.

ScumLord · 08-07-2013 05:32PM

hfallada wrote: »

A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly.

I don't think a business person will automatically be a saviour. Most of the donkey work in keeping a company in the green is done by accountants who advise the business leader. It's also much easier for them to turn profit because that's their only goal, bringing in someone only concerned with the bottom line probably won't be any better than the current lot, having to worry about the people will be something new to business leaders.

They'll more than likely want to cut anything that's not turning a profit which is basically everything the government touch. Running a country something like ryanair would mean you get very little back for your taxes, you may pay less but if you find yourself on hard times it'll be your hard luck.

OCorcrainn · 08-07-2013 10:56PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think a business person will automatically be a saviour. Most of the donkey work in keeping a company in the green is done by accountants who advise the business leader. It's also much easier for them to turn profit because that's their only goal, bringing in someone only concerned with the bottom line probably won't be any better than the current lot, having to worry about the people will be something new to business leaders.

They'll more than likely want to cut anything that's not turning a profit which is basically everything the government touch. Running a country something like ryanair would mean you get very little back for your taxes, you may pay less but if you find yourself on hard times it'll be your hard luck.

Most of the TDs, councillors and senators in Fianna Fáil were "business men". Look how that turned out.

wretcheddomain · 08-07-2013 11:06PM

I think we should go down the Egyptian route and have a military coup and install Gay Byrne as interim Supreme Ayatollah.

Then, he'd have the power to issue a fatwa against the fat wa****'s who f***ed up this country.

OCorcrainn · 09-07-2013 05:25PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I think we should go down the Egyptian route and have a military coup and install Gay Byrne as interim Supreme Ayatollah.

Then, he'd have the power to issue a fatwa against the fat wa****'s who f***ed up this country.

Gay Byrne is an RTE fat cat so he would be in league with them.

An Coilean · 09-07-2013 05:27PM

hfallada wrote: »

A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works.

The problem with this is that pre 2008 the people who would have fitted this description best were the ones who later destroyed the economy.

Celly Smunt · 09-07-2013 05:44PM

We need a new young,vibrant progressive centralist party.

wilson10 · 09-07-2013 06:00PM

An Coilean wrote: »

The problem with this is that pre 2008 the people who would have fitted this description best were the ones who later destroyed the economy.

The economy was well destroyed before 2008, it's just that we didn't know.

An Coilean · 09-07-2013 06:35PM

wilson10 wrote: »

The economy was well destroyed before 2008, it's just that we didn't know.

I suppose I should have said 'later shown to have destroyed the economy' but the point still stands.

OCorcrainn · 09-07-2013 08:30PM

wilson10 wrote: »

The economy was well destroyed before 2008, it's just that we didn't know.

It does not a change a thing, the same people and political party (Fianna Fáil) are still responsible for not just overseeing the economy in their 14+ year term in office but for also being complicit in its downfall.

maguic24 · 15-07-2013 02:49PM

Shocked at the high level of support for Sinn Féin....imagine Gerry Adams running the country. :eek:

Celly Smunt · 15-07-2013 02:52PM

maguic24 wrote: »

Shocked at the high level of support for Sinn Féin....imagine Gerry Adams running the country. :eek:

As awful as it is,it could be worse

Bozo Skeleton · 16-07-2013 01:02AM

maguic24 wrote: »

Shocked at the high level of support for Sinn Féin....imagine Gerry Adams running the country. :eek:

I know. I never thought I'd vote for the Shinners. But who's left? Fianna Fáil should have been wiped out forever, but according to polls they're the most popular party in the land again. We are idiots.
Fine Gael, no way, just, no way.
I've voted Labour and the Green Party in the past, trusting they'd follow through on election promises I agreed with. That learned me.
I'll vote for the Independent candidate I agree with the most, but my 2nd or 3rd preference would have to be Sinn Féin. Due to a lack of any credible alternative.

tdv123 · 16-07-2013 01:23AM

Wow, the provos are doing pretty well for themselves in this poll.

Mr Tibbs · 16-07-2013 01:32AM

Well I'd like to vote for a party of principal with politicians who would not betray the people that backed them all their lives. I guess that eliminates the Labour Party.

maguic24 · 16-07-2013 09:10AM

Bozo Skeleton wrote: »

I know. I never thought I'd vote for the Shinners. But who's left? Fianna Fáil should have been wiped out forever, but according to polls they're the most popular party in the land again. We are idiots.
Fine Gael, no way, just, no way.
I've voted Labour and the Green Party in the past, trusting they'd follow through on election promises I agreed with. That learned me.
I'll vote for the Independent candidate I agree with the most, but my 2nd or 3rd preference would have to be Sinn Féin. Due to a lack of any credible alternative.

True that, I actually wouldn't know which party to vote for at this stage. They're all a bunch of cowboys!

Which Irish political party would you like to see in a new government?

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