Which Irish political party would you like to see in a new government?

OCorcrainn

If the government collapsed tomorrow and a general election was called, who would you vote for?

hfallada

A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly.

Not some group of teachers who enjoy working in the big smoke we have now and haven't a clue how to run a business never mind a country

_Kaiser_

Voted "other" as IMO none of the current options are fit for purpose.

Jimoslimos

hfallada wrote: »

A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly.

So...publican then.

Karl Stein

Tag teaming for the Troika (alliteration ftw).

Zebra3

National Socialist Irish Workers' Party.

OCorcrainn

Zebra3 wrote: »

National Socialist Irish Workers' Party.

That is soooooo 1930s.

WoollyRedHat

The one that makes doughnuts free and a basic human right.. I'd like those kinda guys.

Wilberto

Sinn Féin....???

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Best joke I've heard in years!!


Although I do quite like Mary Lou.

Stinicker

You should have added an option "not Fianna Fail"

wonderfulname

Were the question "which of the following do you see as the lesser evil you will reluctantly vote for in the next election" I might be able to answer.

Adyx

None. Just like Boards, if you put yourself forward for election, that should automatically rule you out.

gowley

Wilberto wrote: »

Sinn Féin....???

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Best joke I've heard in years!!


Although I do quite like Mary Lou.

mmmmmmmmmmmm mary lou

hfallada

Does it really matter. The eu will probably be running the country for the next couple of years

heyjude

We need a new government made up of new people, with fresh new ideas, rather than retreads or clones. Maybe for a change we could try electing a government whose cabinet isn't composed of former teachers, farmers, publicans or trade union officials. I'm not talking about adding a few more auctioneers, accountants or solicitors either, but what about involving some actual business people who know what it takes to create real jobs.

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour or any combination of them, have all had their chances and failed. The announcement, as good news, that 400 jobs are being created through the introduction of the water tax, just sums up my disillusionment with the system. If they truly see that as good news, then why not introduce another 20 various charges(taxes) and you can create thousands of jobs collecting them all

gowley

heyjude wrote: »

We need a new government made up of new people, with fresh new ideas, rather than retreads or clones. Maybe for a change we could try electing a government whose cabinet isn't composed of former teachers, farmers, publicans or trade union officials. I'm not talking about adding a few more auctioneers, accountants or solicitors either, but what about involving some actual business people who know what it takes to create real jobs.

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour or any combination of them, have all had their chances and failed. The announcement, as good news, that 400 jobs are being created through the introduction of the water tax, just sums up my disillusionment with the system. If they truly see that as good news, then why not introduce another 20 various charges(taxes) and you can create thousands of jobs collecting them all

the great phil hogan would take issue with you on that. he has created 400 new jobs in uisce ireland and you are knocking it.

Wilberto

heyjude wrote: »

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour or any combination of them, have all had their chances and failed. The announcement, as good news, that 400 jobs are being created through the introduction of the water tax, just sums up my disillusionment with the system. If they truly see that as good news, then why not introduce another 20 various charges(taxes) and you can create thousands of jobs collecting them all

I feel sorry for Labour in the sense that, they had to form a coalition because that's what the general public wanted at the time. But entering into a coalition, as a minority, with a party that is almost opposite your own policies is always going to be trouble.


Personally I would have thought that a better strategy at the time (for Labour) would have been to sit back and not to enter into coalition. Instead either leaving Fine Gael rule as a minority Government with the help of Fianna Fail, or (ideally) enter into a coalition with them. Either way, it leaves Labour as the leader of the opposition, and look at what that position has done to FF. Labour could have easily cemented their place as the second biggest party, and aim to lead the next government.


Instead, they may succomb to an almighty hammering in the next one.

seven_eleven

None. I'm spoiling my vote.

Meritocracy Wins

The Democrats. Preferably with Bill Clinton at the helm.

Wilberto

Oh and this whole creating 400 jobs is bullcrap. Abtran have got the contract, meaning that all they're going to do is transfer people from the College Grant/SUZI contract to the Water Charges contract.

So no, 400 jobs are NOT being created. FACT. (Rafa Style!!)

gowley

Meritocracy Wins wrote: »

The Democrats. Preferably with Bill Clinton at the helm.

i did not have sexual relations with that woman

OCorcrainn

seven_eleven wrote: »

None. I'm spoiling my vote.

People who spoil their vote or don't vote are part of the problem with this country.

seven_eleven

OCorcrainn wrote: »

People who spoil their vote or don't vote are part of the problem with this country.

I don't agree with any party. What else am I supposed to do?

gowley

OCorcrainn wrote: »

People who spoil their vote or don't vote are part of the problem with this country.

if they dont have confidence in any of the candidates what should they do. vote for one cause they are on the ballot paper.

marienbad

seven_eleven wrote: »

I don't agree with any party. What else am I supposed to do?

Consider running yourself or support a like minded candidate or as a last resort vote for those you find least offensive and thus reduce the chances of those you find most offensive getting in .

This apathy is bull&*&t

the groutch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=438UKM1Av1g

feargale

seven_eleven wrote: »

I don't agree with any party. What else am I supposed to do?

Go for election or remain silent,

Stained Class

Excuse me OP.

I'm just a bit old fashioned & folksey.

Who would you vote for?

NufcNavan

All sh*te.

OCorcrainn

Stained Class wrote: »

Excuse me OP.

I'm just a bit old fashioned & folksey.

Who would you vote for?

Sinn Féin, Independent, Other

Hammar

I'd love a Sinn Fein victory,
If only to see the meltdown on boards which would follow.....

My name is URL

The Lemon Party

Stained Class

NufcNavan wrote: »

All sh*te.

Well there's the best arguement for everything.

Let's send you in to deal with the Troika, Merkal & the rest of them.

I'm sure your'e balanced & reasonable outlook on the situation will impress them no end.

I think I'll vote for you.

Stained Class

OCorcrainn wrote: »

Sinn Féin, Independent, Other

Ah yes.

Enough said.

Wilberto

Stained Class wrote: »

Ah yes.

Enough said.

Who would be your preference??

gowley

feargale wrote: »

Go for election or remain silent,

i think the financial requirements of running a decent election campaign might restrict this. hence we have the same people to vote for all the time

StickyIcky

Direct democracy ireland

Seriously

seven_eleven

feargale wrote: »

Go for election or remain silent,

I do not want to get into getting into politics. I do not have the knowledge, time, money, or interest.

I shall remain silent.

Stained Class

Wilberto wrote: »

Who would be your preference??

I think that NufcNavanman has all the right ingrediants to be a wonderful leader.

He'd be probably better than previous leaders.

On a more serious note, I think Enda's been better than I expected he would be. I didn't expect much frm him anyway.

I know he's well briefed & all that but still, he seems to be doing the business.

Anyway who voted in Bertie & all his cronies anyway?

Answers on a Postcard please.

Phoebas

Hammar wrote: »

I'd love a Sinn Fein victory,
If only to see the meltdown on boards which would follow.....

What the he'll are you on about?
Take a look at the numbers coming out of this poll. Now, take a look at SF support in the real world.

Boards is about as good as it could possibly get for Sinn Fein.

Wilberto

It would be interesting to know that, if the "other" party were to be set up be Declan Ganley (i.e. Libertas II), how many of the currently 18 who voted "other" would vote for them.

StupidLikeAFox

seven_eleven wrote: »

I don't agree with any party. What else am I supposed to do?

You could stop basing your vote on your own personal opinions and realise that your vote should go to the party or candidate who (in your opinion) will deliver the best possible outcome for the country over the following 5 years

If you feel that you have a better vision for the country, there is nothing stopping you from gathering a group of like minded individuals and start expressing your opinions loudly - that people might be influenced by your opinions and rally behind you - thus gaining support for your ideas and getting elected to national office, where you can begin to put your ideas into practice (easier said than done of course)



Alternatively, you can draw a cock on your ballot and apply some twisted logic that the fact you have spoiled your vote will somehow jerk the powers that be into changing their strategy (good luck with that)

gowley

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

You could stop basing your vote on your own personal opinions and realise that your vote should go to the party or candidate who (in your opinion) will deliver the best possible outcome for the country over the following 5 years

If you feel that you have a better vision for the country, there is nothing stopping you from gathering a group of like minded individuals and start expressing your opinions loudly - that people might be influenced by your opinions and rally behind you - thus gaining support for your ideas and getting elected to national office, where you can begin to put your ideas into practice (easier said than done of course)



Alternatively, you can draw a cock on your ballot and apply some twisted logic that the fact you have spoiled your vote will somehow jerk the powers that be into changing their strategy (good luck with that)

lol. stop basing your vote on your own personal opinion. well that says it all. you should base your vote on someone elses personal opinion. nothing to stop you getting elected to national office. what about the finances to run an election campaign thats not funded by any of the political parties

Reekwind

hfallada wrote: »

A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly

Because the problem pre-crisis was that nobody listened to our business leaders (who were always right) and that Ireland wasn't 'business friendly' enough?

StupidLikeAFox wrote:

If you feel that you have a better vision for the country, there is nothing stopping you from gathering a group of like minded individuals and start expressing your opinions loudly - that people might be influenced by your opinions and rally behind you - thus gaining support for your ideas and getting elected to national office, where you can begin to put your ideas into practice (easier said than done of course)

The caveat at the end makes a mockery of that entire paragraph. There's actually quite a lot stopping someone from establishing a political party, never mind one that would aspire to national government. Unless of course you're happy to bankroll such a venture to the tune of a few million euro?

seven_eleven

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

You could stop basing your vote on your own personal opinions and realise that your vote should go to the party or candidate who (in your opinion) will deliver the best possible outcome for the country over the following 5 years

If you feel that you have a better vision for the country, there is nothing stopping you from gathering a group of like minded individuals and start expressing your opinions loudly - that people might be influenced by your opinions and rally behind you - thus gaining support for your ideas and getting elected to national office, where you can begin to put your ideas into practice (easier said than done of course)



Alternatively, you can draw a cock on your ballot and apply some twisted logic that the fact you have spoiled your vote will somehow jerk the powers that be into changing their strategy (good luck with that)

Ah, I dont believe any of them can deliver a good possible outcome. The last few times I have voted, I have deeply regretted it and only learned not to trust the parties and their so called "promises".

Wilberto

seven_eleven wrote: »

Ah, I dont believe any of them can deliver a good possible outcome. The last few times I have voted, I have deeply regretted it and only learned not to trust the parties and their so called "promises".

Well if you can't trust the "parties" then just vote independents!! :P


Not that a Government full of independents would be feck all good, but at least you won't be voting for a party!!!

Cody Pomeray

hfallada wrote: »

A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly.

You don't think Ireland is business-friendly enough?

We're the 10th easiest country in the world to open a business,
the 9th easiest country in the world for resolving company insolvency,
the 6th most desirable country in the world in terms of paying taxes,
those figures come from the World Bank.
This morning we had reports of companies whose Irish subsidiaries paid 0% tax on hundreds of millions of euros of profit.

We're plenty business friendly. Believe me I have no time for some of the outlandish Union demands, I'm talking about ordinary householders when I say we're not household friendly enough.

Nobody else wants to deal with this so, if there were an election in the morning, I would vote Sinn Féin. There has to be some balance in terms of how we divide our tax system between firms and households.

tdv123

Sinn Fein.

Laneyh

Vote for none of the above

the_syco

OCorcrainn wrote: »

If the government collapsed tomorrow and a general election was called, who would you vote for?

Is this a trick question?

StupidLikeAFox

gowley wrote: »

lol. stop basing your vote on your own personal opinion. well that says it all. you should base your vote on someone elses personal opinion. nothing to stop you getting elected to national office. what about the finances to run an election campaign thats not funded by any of the political parties

I stand by it. "Personal opinions" was probably the wrong turn of phrase. The point is that your own personal concerns and desires should be a factor in the decision of who to vote for, but at the same time you have to realise that taking the approach of "I don't agree with them so Im not voting for anybody" benefits nobody. If you think that voting [FF/FG/Lab/SF/Ind] (delete as appropriate) will result in a better outcome for the nation than voting for [FF/FG/Lab/SF/Ind] (delete as appropriate) then you have a choice.

On the funding point, if you feel you can offer a real alternative you can influence enough people to fund an election campaign.

Reekwind wrote: »

The caveat at the end makes a mockery of that entire paragraph. There's actually quite a lot stopping someone from establishing a political party, never mind one that would aspire to national government. Unless of course you're happy to bankroll such a venture to the tune of a few million euro?

When I said "easier said than done" I meant in terms of support. If you have the support and the will of the people behind you you will get elected. I take Stephen Donnelly as an example of this. He was an ordinary guy who had the qualifications and background required to build up a support base and get elected. He did not wake up one morning and think "Im sick of this ****" then get elected the next day. Ireland is one of the few places where you don't need millions to get elected. A few thousand (or tens of thousands) for sure, but if you are establishing a new political party surely this level of funding is not out of reach?

seven_eleven wrote: »

Ah, I dont believe any of them can deliver a good possible outcome. The last few times I have voted, I have deeply regretted it and only learned not to trust the parties and their so called "promises".

Look, its a democracy, its entirely transparent, you can vote for whoever is on the ballot or if you feel the people on the ballot are not up to scratch you can vote for an independent, you can join a party and change it from the inside or else you can stand for election yourself.

A spoiled vote is a cop out - you are given a choice to have an input into the future of the country and you are saying "**** it, i'm goin to throw my toys out of the pram and let someone else will decide for me anyway"