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padd b1975 · 09-07-2013 10:33AM

Zulu wrote: »

Not Declan Ganley again?!? I thought he was going to retire from politics are his last defeat?

Declan Ganley is Irish.

padd b1975 · 09-07-2013 10:36AM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Read and chortle before it's taken down

http://www.youthdefence.ie/index.html

I read it on the other thread.

Corkfeen · 09-07-2013 10:39AM

floggg wrote: »

In order for it to be defamation of their character what was posted would need to be untrue and lower their reputation in the eyes of a reasonable person.

Now I know nothing of their funding, so I am asking honestly here, but is what was posted true? It seems believable but I don't really know the first thing about their funding.

Also, can their reputation actually be "lowered."

Some people are thought so lowly of that they have no reputation left to besmirch.

All of that info was public knowledge for a fair bit and fascist links are easy to find on own . Most pro life groups disassociate themselves with Youth Defence so in answer to question, it is true.

Zulu · 09-07-2013 10:41AM

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Those sites don't have marches in the capital

Indeed, but they also don't express an opinion; they're far far worse.

Penn wrote: »

I mean... how far do you go? Is hacking the YD page as important as the things you mentioned? No. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

The YD page isn't an illegal page (that I know of) so why should it be hacked? My position is that it shouldn't. Not meaning to speak for you, but yours (from that sentence) appears to be the it should be hacked.

I'm against "silencing" peoples opinions, which I see this hack to do.
Conversely, hacking those other sites isn't "silencing" opinion but attacking fundamentally abusive and illegal sites. The latter is a public service; the former is a public disservice.
Thats the difference.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with the hacking of YD's website, but the information he posted is definitely relevant and should be brought to more people's attention

Ways and means. The hacker is machiavellian, which I disagree with.

Zulu · 09-07-2013 10:42AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Declan Ganley is Irish.

The puppet maybe, but the hand reaches from across the pond.

LizT · 09-07-2013 10:42AM

Threads merged

Bannasidhe · 09-07-2013 10:48AM

tritium wrote: »

To paraphrase someone else, I disagree with their opinion but would defend to the death their right to hold it.

Usually I would be of that opinion but it certain instances - YD, Fascists etc - I reserve the right to not defend them in anyway whatsoever.

kylith · 09-07-2013 10:53AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

been hacked looks like.

Don't worry, if it's a legitimate hacking the website has ways of shutting it down.

padd b1975 · 09-07-2013 10:57AM

Zulu wrote: »

The puppet maybe, but the hand reaches from across the pond.

Many hands reach from many places into the Irish political landscape.

The Worker's Party and their comrades in the east for example..

Dostoevsky · 09-07-2013 10:59AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Declan Ganley is Irish.

Or British, depending on what agenda he wants to advance. According to that Irish Times article from September 2008, Declan Ganley only started to describe himself as "Irish" from 2006.

Easily one of the most dodgy characters, with dodgy finances and a dodgy agenda, to enter Irish politics in a long while. And that's obviously saying something.

floggg · 09-07-2013 11:00AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Many hands reach from many places into the Irish political landscape.

The Worker's Party and their comrades in the east for example..

Well in fairness Dublin does have the largest population of working class people in the country so it's only naturally that Dublin and the eastern commuter counties would constitute their main power base.

Zulu · 09-07-2013 11:00AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Many hands reach from many places into the Irish political landscape.

Thats why I vote Healy-Ray!!

padd b1975 · 09-07-2013 11:03AM

floggg wrote: »

Well in fairness Dublin does have the largest population of working class people in the country so it's only naturally that Dublin and the eastern commuter counties would constitute their main power base.

You need to look a bit more to the east.

floggg · 09-07-2013 11:06AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

You need to look a bit more to the east.

Wicklow town?

suicide_circus · 09-07-2013 11:14AM

where is this list of subscribers ?

Links234 · 09-07-2013 11:20AM

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch

Annasopra · 09-07-2013 11:24AM

floggg wrote: »

Wicklow town?

I think they meant the commies in Eastern Europe

Annasopra · 09-07-2013 11:25AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Declan Ganley is Irish.

And?

dublinman1990 · 09-07-2013 11:31AM

This was their message via Twitter this morning. It's message depicting last Saturday's march seems very biased though doesn't it?

https://twitter.com/YouthDefence/status/354537862902988801

Here is the Irish Times link to the story.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/website-of-anti-abortion-group-youth-defence-hacked-1.1457717

09-07-2013 11:31AM

I do think everyone should have a voice but a temporary hacking isn't denying anyone a "voice". It's not the way I'd go about it though

They can fix it up later and give their own rebuttal I suppose

maximoose · 09-07-2013 11:35AM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

It's message depicting last Saturday's march seems very biased though doesn't it?

About Saturday's march... was just looking at YD's fb page and they said there was 60k people there. Anyone know if that's accurate? Didn't seem like there was anywhere near that amount

smokedeels · 09-07-2013 11:44AM

Ideally this wouldn't be a desirable thing to happen and we'd be having the abortion debate in a democratic and intelligent manner but the YD by engaging in so much spin and misinformation (with seemingly no regulation from anymore) have created a landscape in which that's near impossible to do. I was delighted to see their website this morning.

bumper234 · 09-07-2013 11:45AM

maximoose wrote: »

About Saturday's march... was just looking at YD's fb page and they said there was 60k people there. Anyone know if that's accurate? Didn't seem like there was anywhere near that amount

Take that number....halve it.... halve it again and that would be a closer number...(you could probably knock an extra couple of k to be on the safe side)

OpenYourEyes · 09-07-2013 11:49AM

maximoose wrote: »

About Saturday's march... was just looking at YD's fb page and they said there was 60k people there. Anyone know if that's accurate? Didn't seem like there was anywhere near that amount

theres a pro-choice facebook page that had video and used it to estimate the numbers - said there was probably 10-12k people I think - although you could obviously argue that they're biased too. I'd say 20k might be a safer number, perhaps a bit generous.

dublinman1990 · 09-07-2013 11:49AM

maximoose wrote: »

About Saturday's march... was just looking at YD's fb page and they said there was 60k people there. Anyone know if that's accurate? Didn't seem like there was anywhere near that amount

I don't know that Kildare Street would seem capable to carry that many protesters on the day.

I would say as up to 20k people were there at the protest as a maximum figure. It is very discouraging to see that a figure of 60k people is being floated around with little or no accountability to enforce it.

padd b1975 · 09-07-2013 11:50AM

mango salsa wrote: »

And?

The poster was responding to this xenophobic post which questioned overseas political funding.
I have highlighted the xenophobia for your benefit.

WindSock wrote: »

I am particularly pleased they highlighted where they get the funding from. Overseas lunatics trying to influence our laws by using any means possible.

He name checked Declan Ganley (passive aggressive method of calling him an overseas lunatic)

Zulu wrote: »

Not Declan Ganley again?!? I thought he was going to retire from politics are his last defeat?

I simply pointed out that Declan Ganley is in fact Irish.

padd b1975 · 09-07-2013 11:53AM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I don't know even that the protest finishing at Kildare Street wouldn't seem capable to carry that many protesters on the day.

I agree.

It must have been a struggle to squeeze in the 400 pro-choice protesters who were having a protest at the same time.:)

Clandestine · 09-07-2013 11:55AM

I love how people are calling YD fascists and praising this hacking as it is against someone they disagree with. Maybe these people should actually look up the word "fascist" and maybe they'll realise it is closer to home then they may have known before...

Zulu · 09-07-2013 11:58AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

He name checked Declan Ganley (passive aggressive method of calling him an overseas lunatic)

It was a joke. Clearly the man isn't a lunatic, just a very dubious character. Get over it.

I simply pointed out that Declan Ganley is in fact Irish.

Well he was born Watford, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom, and has held British and US passports. But I'd imagine he's probably got an Irish passport also...

He's as dodgy as a dodgy dodger sitting in a 50 year old dodgems bumper car in a unnamed carney travelling amusement park eating jammy dodgers he bought with a 3 pound note.

floggg · 09-07-2013 12:20PM

From Ganly's Wikipedia page.

Wikipedia wrote:

He is a paintball enthusiast and lives on a 40 acre former centre for bewildered alcoholic priests, Moyne Park Mansion - previously home to folk singer Donovan.[/URL]

Sounds like something from Father Ted!

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