Youth Defence Wesbite

Brazil_7

It's gone down.
www.youthdefence.ie/‎
Looks like it's been taken down and replaced by text concerning its funding and other stuff.
Wonder what that's all about?

DrumSteve

They must have made the choice to take it down.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

DrumSteve wrote: »

They must have made the choice to take it down.

They would never do that, they are very anti-choice not pro choice

biko

One post and closed his account.
Wonder what that's all about?

Probably a hacker gloating.

homerjay2005

been hacked looks like.

Hardonraging

The Illuminati no doubt .... or some nice Hactivists

biko

Maybe he was hacking wearing one of those Guy Fawkes masks that are mass-produced in China? They are terribly popular with the anti-capitalists these days.

GalwayKiefer

Has anyone here ever heard of the far-right Irish group the INB? Or is it just me that hasn't?

biko

Do you mean the IBTL?

R P McMurphy

GalwayKiefer wrote: »

Has anyone here ever heard of the far-right Irish group the INB? Or is it just me that hasn't?

The irish nursing board. A dangerous group

Bacchus

Thanks for the info but.... 1 post from a closed account? Is the info on the hacked site true or just serving some other groups agenda?

Personally I hate those posters and their attempts to manipulate and twist the abortion debate with sensationalist posters. I've no idea who's behind them and was actually just thinking this morning walking past a load of their posters this morning... Youth Defence? Who the feck are they?

20Cent

I'm no computer expert but I'd say it's been hacked.

biko

I didn't even read it. Once I saw some eejit had hacked it I lost interest.

I approve of this! Well done to whoever did this. Just a shame we can't wipe out that organisation of fascist, homophobic, misogynistic thugs entirely.

Artful_Badger

Could be another casualty of the hot weather. The website might have sunstroke.

All well and all good. Until they published the email addresses of people who subscribe to Youth defense's newsletter.
They are as bad as one another.

biko

Deleted User wrote: »

I approve of this! Well done to whoever did this. Just a shame we can't wipe out that organisation of fascist, homophobic, misogynistic thugs entirely.

I don't approve at all.
By hacking websites the hackers just shows how far they are willing to go to silence dissidence.
Normal free-thinking people won't get sucked in anyway so all they achieve is a backlash.

The hackers just show how undemocratic they really are, and furthermore how little they think of their own ranks that they must go to extremes to win some point.

At least they got a discussion going on Youth Defence, so hey it worked. Maybe not as they had intended by any exposure is good eh?

Esoteric_

I'm completely annoyed by this.

I'm pro-choice, and I abhor everything the YD group stand for. However, whoever hacked the site, be they pro-choice or not, has just demonstrated that each side is as bad as the other. All this has done is lower my respect for the pro-choice groups out there.

tritium

To paraphrase someone else, I disagree with their opinion but would defend to the death their right to hold it.

Some hacker takes down their website, all that shows is the contempt with which the hacker holds free speech. Basically the folks who did this are grade A twats who should hang their heads in shame.

Sacksian

biko wrote: »

Normal free-thinking people won't get sucked in anyway so all they achieve is a backlash.

.... furthermore how little they think of their own ranks that they must go to extremes to win some point.

At least they got a discussion going on Youth Defence, so hey it worked. Maybe not as they had intended by any exposure is good eh?

I'm pretty sure that people who are pro-choice are not going to suddenly decide to oppose abortion because Youth Defence had their website hacked.

Also, bringing up extremism in a debate about abortion is not going to be in the favour of anti-abortionists, considering the routes their supporters have taken to promote their cause.

If we drew up a list of the tactics used by both sides, hacking a website would be one of the tamer ones. And the most extreme or unpalatable would be those of the anti-abortionists.

biko

biko wrote: »

I don't approve at all.
By hacking websites the hackers just shows how far they are willing to go to silence dissidence.

There's a difference between dissidence and downright lying. Youth Defence are entirely about the latter. If YD was a pro-life organisation that did not resort to dishonest shock tactics or intimidation to get their misguided points across, I'd still disagree with their views but would respect their rights to their opinions.

YD, however, are not a peaceful and honest pro-life movement. They are, quite simply, scum. There's no other way of putting it. Their website has more truth on it right now then it ever has before.

At least they got a discussion going on Youth Defence, so hey it worked. Maybe not as they had intended by any exposure is good eh?

Meh, I don't believe that old "any exposure...." line. Anyway Youth Defence are well capable of getting discussions going by themselves.

mike65

YD don't deserve the respect some here seem to be advocating. Bunch of Catholic fascists.

Penn

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm annoyed or even that I disagree with it, I just see it as being pointless. Those who really oppose YD already know most of that stuff anyway. Those who really support YD don't really care about it. And everyone in the middle would be extremely unlikely to be visiting YD's website anyway.

Focus should be spent on bringing stuff like their funding and advertising to the relevant authorities and push for action in those regards. Hacking their website, as much as I'd love to see the panic in 60a Capel St right about now, is pointless and little more than showboating.

Esoteric_

mike65 wrote: »

YD don't deserve the respect some here seem to be advocating. Bunch of Catholic fascists.

No posts on this thread have advocated respect being shown to YD. Some of us don't like the tactics used by whoever hacked the YD website. That's more about the person stooping to the level of YD than showing respect for YD. I have no respect for YD and never will. Doesn't mean that I think hacking their website is a good idea.

SEPT 23 1989

well done to all involved

anyone who puts up posters where children can see them and parks a billboard van outside the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre deserves everything thats coming to them

Sacksian

Esoteric_ wrote: »

I'm completely annoyed by this.

I'm pro-choice, and I abhor everything the YD group stand for. However, whoever hacked the site, be they pro-choice or not, has just demonstrated that each side is as bad as the other. All this has done is lower my respect for the pro-choice groups out there.

Why does this lower your respect for the pro-choice groups out there, if you acknowledge above that you don't know who hacked the website??

Also, I'm not sure hacking a website is morally equivalent to giving graphic anti-abortion literature to schoolchildren, as some groups have done.

Esoteric_

Sacksian wrote: »

Why does this lower your respect for the pro-choice groups out there, if you acknowledge above that you don't know who hacked the website??

Also, I'm not sure hacking a website is morally equivalent to giving graphic anti-abortion literature to schoolchildren, as some groups have done.

I'm going on the assumption that somebody who is pro-choice hacked the site. Obviously, I don't know this for sure, but I don't think a pro-lifer would be doing that kind of thing.

I never said it's morally equivalent, but I still think it's wrong.

fishy fishy

Esoteric_ wrote: »

I'm completely annoyed by this.

I'm pro-choice, and I abhor everything the YD group stand for. However, whoever hacked the site, be they pro-choice or not, has just demonstrated that each side is as bad as the other. All this has done is lower my respect for the pro-choice groups out there.

lol - did you read your post there. Basically what you are saying that whoever in the world hacked the yd group website, you are going to blame pro-choice groups anyway.

:D

fishy fishy

Esoteric_ wrote: »

I'm going on the assumption that somebody who is pro-choice hacked the site. Obviously, I don't know this for sure, but I don't think a pro-lifer would be doing that kind of thing.

I never said it's morally equivalent, but I still think it's wrong.

ah ya, the old "assume" nugget.

Esoteric_

fishy fishy wrote: »

lol - did you read your post there. Basically what you are saying that whoever in the world hacked the yd group website, you are going to blame pro-choice groups anyway.

:D

As I said above, I obviously don't know for sure who did it, but I highly doubt a pro-life person would have done it. :rolleyes:

OpenYourEyes

Deleted User wrote: »

There's a difference between dissidence and downright lying. Youth Defence are entirely about the latter. If YD was a pro-life organisation that did not resort to dishonest shock tactics or intimidation to get their misguided points across, I'd still disagree with their views but would respect their rights to their opinions.

YD, however, are not a peaceful and honest pro-life movement. They are, quite simply, scum. There's no other way of putting it. Their website has more truth on it right now then it ever has before.

Very well said!

Esoteric_

Esoteric_ wrote: »

I'm pro-choice, and I abhor everything the YD group stand for. However, whoever hacked the site, be they pro-choice or not, has just demonstrated that each side is as bad as the other. All this has done is lower my respect for the pro-choice groups out there.

This is not about being anti pro-life. This is about being anti Youth Defence. And imo any rational clear-thinking person, be they pro-life, pro-choice or neutral, that respects the truth and abhors lies and intimidation should be anti Youth Defence.

floggg

Esoteric_ wrote: »

I'm completely annoyed by this.

I'm pro-choice, and I abhor everything the YD group stand for. However, whoever hacked the site, be they pro-choice or not, has just demonstrated that each side is as bad as the other. All this has done is lower my respect for the pro-choice groups out there.

Yes, because all the pro-choice groups got together and did this collectively. :rolleyes:

floggg

biko wrote: »

I don't approve at all.
By hacking websites the hackers just shows how far they are willing to go to silence dissidence.
Normal free-thinking people won't get sucked in anyway so all they achieve is a backlash.

The hackers just show how undemocratic they really are, and furthermore how little they think of their own ranks that they must go to extremes to win some point.

At least they got a discussion going on Youth Defence, so hey it worked. Maybe not as they had intended by any exposure is good eh?

In this context, I agree that it's a bit malicious and an unfair attack on their right to spout their bull**** freely.

However, I don't think you can say hackers as a rule attack free speech - e.g. Where they hack the website of a particular country - e.g. Nigeria recently to protest their extremely homophobic new laws. If a state is using public money and authority to pursue a particular agenda and not allowing a fair voice to the opposing side then it might be one of the few effective means of giving visibility to opposition to those policies.

Now there are other legal and ethical objections to it, but it's not always anti-free speech.

upstairs for coffee

biko wrote: »

I don't approve at all.
By hacking websites the hackers just shows how far they are willing to go to silence dissidence.
Normal free-thinking people won't get sucked in anyway so all they achieve is a backlash.

The hackers just show how undemocratic they really are, and furthermore how little they think of their own ranks that they must go to extremes to win some point.

What odd logic.

Those pesky Egyptians have shown just how undemocratic they really are too, eh?

Losty Dublin

Read and chortle before it's taken down

http://www.youthdefence.ie/index.html

Zulu

If only the hackers spent as much time and effort attacking child porn, beastiality, and abusive porn sites...

biko

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

What odd logic.

What's odd with the logic that everyone should be allowed a voice, not matter how nuts it is? And that others shouldn't be allowed to at will silence that voice?

Dostoevsky

Deleted User wrote: »

I approve of this! Well done to whoever did this. Just a shame we can't wipe out that organisation of fascist, homophobic, misogynistic thugs entirely.

Yes, it's always nice to support law breaking and defamation of character when it's in the interests of one's own prejudices....

I often find the so-called anti-fascists are just as intolerant as the so-called fascists. Their physical attack on a speaker who didn't share their views in UCD some years ago being the most ironic display of their "anti-fascism". Fascists can discredit themselves well enough without another group of thugs purporting to be "anti-fascists" adding to the mix.

DoesNotCompute

So, any interesting names on the list of subscribers? Is Lucinda Cretin a subscriber by any chance?

WindSock

I am particularly pleased they highlighted where they get the funding from. Overseas lunatics trying to influence our laws by using any means possible.

hatrickpatrick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY

biko

Users list deleted. Sorry, didn't think about the privacy concerns. Everybody is allowed their own views.

Some sense in this hacker..

bumper234

Welcome to 90 minutes ago

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056989192

vitani

I'm at the stage now where I'm just sick of the entire debate. I'm not going to cry any tears over their website being hacked, but I do think it's a low blow and dirty tactics and it will achieve nothing. If anything, it will make the YD supporters even more extreme after a perceived attack.

I read in the Metro this morning that someone at one of the protests on Saturday heard people from both sides shouting abuse at each other, neither side caring that the children near them were terrified by what was going on. While I'm pro-choice, I can't support that. And I can't support restricting Youth Defence's right to speech, even if it's all made up.

I can't wait until the legislation is passed and things start to calm down. The bloody government should have sorted things out years ago, before it ever got to this stage.

Michael D Not Higgins

Zulu wrote: »

If only the hackers spent as much time and effort attacking child porn, beastiality, and abusive porn sites...

Those sites don't have marches in the capital

Dostoevsky

Users list deleted. Sorry, didn't think about the privacy concerns. Everybody is allowed their own views.

biko wrote: »

Some sense in this hacker..

Perhaps, and certainly plenty of irony.

wildlifeboy

user list is still accessible

Pompey Magnus

WindSock wrote: »

I am particularly pleased they highlighted where they get the funding from. Overseas lunatics trying to influence our laws by using any means possible.

Do you have any problem with the American money which is going to the Pro Choice side?

maximoose

So what do we reckon then, OP is the hacker?

Dostoevsky

vitani wrote: »

I'm at the stage now where I'm just sick of the entire debate.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who got sick of it back in the 1980s and had no attention of getting 'unsick' of it in the latest round. It's a complete turn-off subject, but I don't envy the legislators on this one.